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I've written before of the notion of Safe Spaces, that, when in reference to safe spaces for minorities, is often derided by white people who, not so coincidentally, have always enjoyed the privilege of existing within safe spaces for THEM.

In fact, as I've also written, the entire Trump campaign, the 2016 campaign and this one, his entire litany of fear mongering, rabble rousing, and hate, was and IS based and founded upon his and his constituency's fear of losing their control, their majority, their safe spaces.

The GOP's constituency is DRIVEN by that fear, even if it means continuing to empower a political party that hasn't, for all practical purposes, done a fkng THING for them.

As a point of illustration of this, on a more singular level, allow me to relate an anecdote about a conversation I once had with a white gent of similar age with whom I had (at one time) become somewhat acquainted with.

This is the same guy of whom I'd written once before, when, shortly after Katrina, he emailed me some rather racist cartoons poking fun of black Katrina victims. Needless to say I was not amused, and thus ended our... whatever.

We'd become acquainted via numerous poolside chats at a local venue, relating to no particular subject, but none of which were about social issues, race, or politics. Mind you, this... camaraderie... if you will, developed in the time after 9/11, when the country was momentarily under the illusion at least, of one united and predominant cause against one perceived foreign adversary.

As I recall, even the black administrator of the... facility... where I then worked got peevish at me for failing to wear the "colors" in solidarity with Bush's war with Iraq on the designated day.

However, as it so happened, even then I had doubts as to the real reasons behind Dubya's "mission."

Anyway, suffice it to say I had cause for no premonition as to where this gent's ideology lay with regard to race, except for one singular incident, months before the Storm, that relates to the topic at hand.

And that was when he happened to mention that he'd recently had the occasion to visit my part of the city (the East) to attend to some business he had there (he resided in Baton Rouge).

So I said, okay, and he's just sitting there smiling at me, saying noting more, and I'm looking at him like, "What?" Then he says, "There's a lot of black people there in the East." (And I'm thinking like, "Duhhh.")

But it was at that moment when I realized what had happened (and maybe then, my first inkling of something more with this guy).

Here was a white guy who'd long enjoyed the privilege of being of a majority, in a community where he was of that majority, and the perceived security (however based or not based in reality) he derived from dwelling in that particular "SAFE SPACE"

and who now had found himself in a community where he encountered drivers on the road, and people working in stores, and shoppers, and commuters, and renters, and homeowners, and joggers, and people walking pets, and working in their yards, and cutting their grass, and business owners, and church goers, and managers, and postal delivery people, and police officers, and fast food employees, managers, and customers, and bankers, and gas station operators, and families...

he found ALL OF THE SAME THING that he'd seen throughout his entire life, in his own community, with the exception that most all of them were BLACK.

And it BLEW HIS FKNG MIND.


Safe spaces...

for further reading:

A 'Safe Space' For White People, Otherwise Known As 'The Two-State Solution,' or 'Disunion As Solution' | HuffPost
https://www.afro.com/safe-space-is-for-white-people/
‘Safe Space’ is for White People | Afro
 
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It goes without saying that Dana Beyer's (executive director of Gender Rights Maryland, a civil rights and advocacy organization serving Maryland's transgender community) November 2017 article, "A 'Safe Space' For White People..."The Two State Solution," (cited above) was this transgendered woman and political activist's own "Modest Proposal."

As such, a satire of the absurd, deliberately biting and sardonic in tone yet bringing into focus a HOST of quite clear and valid observations critical of Trump's rabid following and that which DRIVES them, as well as some browbeating on the part of some Democrats in the wake of November 2016. To wit:

Clinton keeps racking up votes, now with a 2,000,000+ vote lead, while no one is yet auditing the states that swung the Electoral College (itself a vestige of slavery). Liberals are turning in on themselves, while conservatives stand stunned, buried at the foot of the wreckage of the Republican party while the kakistocracy takes shape.

All this because a few hundred thousand Rust Belt citizens, repeatedly fed misinformation and disinformation in our era of Big Data, decided to first destroy the Republican Party, which had betrayed then for forty years (fool me once...), and then take down the entire country in a fit of pique for an encore.

Now they will learn what pain really feels like, as they’ve given unlimited power to a demagogue...


And mind you, this was written in November 2017, way before the full "effect" of the grifter-con man's OCCUPATION became fully APPARENT. Beyer continues:

Still, the fact remains that 62 million people voted for the El Caudillo del Mar-a-Lago, in spite of the fact that a significant plurality of those voters felt he was unqualified.

All I hear these days from Republicans (and some Democrats) is we failed, in this perverse Marxist analysis, because we didn’t empathize with the poor white working class, while we played within our diversity and let multiculturalism and intersectionality run amok. We must learn to show compassion. Not to our myriad of communities competing for the American ideal of equality, but for a swath of the country - the heartland and [the] Confederacy..."

Enjoy waiting for the factories and mills to return as you fling your resentment at the bicoastal elites who’ve created the government programs like Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and the Affordable Care Act ... upon which you depend."



The point being, what motivates poor and working class conservative to support the party that has been FUCKING them for FORTY YEARS?? Something having to do with "safe spaces" perhaps? Here's ONE take on it:

Republicans Voting Against Their Own Interests: It's The Hatred, Stupid... | HuffPost


"The Republican party, and most recently Donald Trump, have perfected the art of playing to the lowest common denominator of the GOP’s base which, over the past several decades, has fully succumbed to a toxic cocktail of ignorance, intolerance and hate."
 

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When I moved from Chicago to North Carolina, I could have gone to a high school which was 85% white that was 5 miles away from my home... or I could have gone to a high school which was 70% black but needed to travel 20 miles in order to get there.

I personally chose to commute to the 70% black high school and was in several classes where I was the only white student in the class.

I was treated QUITE well by the black folk and they didn't give me any of the "new guy" shit that the white kids did at all of the schools I had been to (I'd been to 8 schools between K-12). I still live in that town and chose (as an adult) to live in a neighborhood which is again mostly black.

I'm white but I've never been crazy about "white people" or white "culture". I've also always felt like the white people never let me in their "club" and allowed me to be one of them. My daughter is exactly the same... she doesn't feel comfortable around white people and never felt like one of them either. We are both always lamenting and complaining about, "fucking white people".

I feel like I need a safe space away from white people too... pretty sure I wouldn't be allowed in any because of the color of my skin though.
 
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This is all UTTER BOLLOCKS,the sort of politically motivated shit stirring that beggars belief. Divisive,self loathing,idiotic and of course Murican in origin.
TryPOThis isST NO. 15,000

I've written before of the notion of Safe Spaces, that, when in reference to safe spaces for minorities, is often derided by white people who, not so coincidentally, have always enjoyed the privilege of existing within safe spaces for THEM.

In fact, as I've also written, the entire Trump campaign, the 2016 campaign and this one, his entire litany of fear mongering, rabble rousing, and hate, was and IS based and founded upon his and his constituency's fear of losing their control, their majority, their safe spaces.

The GOP's constituency is DRIVEN by that fear, even if it means continuing to empower a political party that hasn't, for all practical purposes, done a fkng THING for them.

As a point of illustration of this, on a more singular level, allow me to relate an anecdote about a conversation I once had with a white gent of similar age with whom I had (at one time) become somewhat acquainted with.

This is the same guy of whom I'd written once before, when, shortly after Katrina, he emailed me some rather racist cartoons poking fun of black Katrina victims. Needless to say I was not amused, and thus ended our... whatever.

We'd become acquainted via numerous poolside chats at a local venue, relating to no particular subject, but none of which were about social issues, race, or politics. Mind you, this... camaraderie... if you will, developed in the time after 9/11, when the country was momentarily under the illusion at least, of one united and predominant cause against one perceived foreign adversary.

As I recall, even the black administrator of the... facility... where I then worked got peevish at me for failing to wear the "colors" in solidarity with Bush's war with Iraq on the designated day.

However, as it so happened, even then I had doubts as to the real reasons behind Dubya's "mission."

Anyway, suffice it to say I had cause for no premonition as to where this gent's ideology lay with regard to race, except for one singular incident, months before the Storm, that relates to the topic at hand.

And that was when he happened to mention that he'd recently had the occasion to visit my part of the city (the East) to attend to some business he had there (he resided in Baton Rouge).

So I said, okay, and he's just sitting there smiling at me, saying noting more, and I'm looking at him like, "What?" Then he says, "There's a lot of black people there in the East." (And I'm thinking like, "Duhhh.")

But it was at that moment when I realized what had happened (and maybe then, my first inkling of something more with this guy).

Here was a white guy who'd long enjoyed the privilege of being of a majority, in a community where he was of that majority, and the perceived security (however based or not based in reality) he derived from dwelling in that particular "SAFE SPACE"

and who now had found himself in a community where he encountered drivers on the road, and people working in stores, and shoppers, and commuters, and renters, and homeowners, and joggers, and people walking pets, and working in their yards, and cutting their grass, and business owners, and church goers, and managers, and postal delivery people, and police officers, and fast food employees, managers, and customers, and bankers, and gas station operators, and families...

he found ALL OF THE SAME THING that he'd seen throughout his entire life, in his own community, with the exception that most all of them were BLACK.

And it BLEW HIS FKNG MIND.


Safe spaces...

for further reading:

A 'Safe Space' For White People, Otherwise Known As 'The Two-State Solution,' or 'Disunion As Solution' | HuffPost
‘Safe Space’ is for White People | Afro
 

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This is all UTTER BOLLOCKS,the sort of politically motivated shit stirring that beggars belief. Divisive,self loathing,idiotic and of course Murican in origin.

First of all, you should try learning how to use the quote function, so that s----------- you say doesn't look like MY words. Then I wouldn't have to spend time fixing it for you.

Secondly, the anecdote is a true account that clearly exemplifies how at least SOME, who are accustomed to a majority, react when placed into a setting where they are a minority. And yes, a major, driving concern among many of Trump's constituency is the fear of too many people who THEY consider as something "other."

Why the concern about brown skinned and other Latino immigrants? While Trump hotels actually put pregnant Russian women up for stays, and care for their wants and needs, so that they can have dual citizenship offspring? Why does Trump bemoan immigrants from what he calls "shit hole countries" while he prefers someone from Norway?

It's neither "shit stirring" nor "self loathing." It is the recognizing of REALITIES.

Btw, how is it "self loathing" to explore a majority's fear of becoming a minority?
 

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When I moved from Chicago to North Carolina, I could have gone to a high school which was 85% white that was 5 miles away from my home... or I could have gone to a high school which was 70% black but needed to travel 20 miles in order to get there.

I personally chose to commute to the 70% black high school and was in several classes where I was the only white student in the class.

I was treated QUITE well by the black folk and they didn't give me any of the "new guy" shit that the white kids did at all of the schools I had been to (I'd been to 8 schools between K-12). I still live in that town and chose (as an adult) to live in a neighborhood which is again mostly black.

I'm white but I've never been crazy about "white people" or white "culture". I've also always felt like the white people never let me in their "club" and allowed me to be one of them. My daughter is exactly the same... she doesn't feel comfortable around white people and never felt like one of them either. We are both always lamenting and complaining about, "fucking white people".

I feel like I need a safe space away from white people too... pretty sure I wouldn't be allowed in any because of the color of my skin though.

For one, I don't recall advocating for "safe spaces" for anyone. In fact, the second article I posted suggested "safe space" could very well be a frame of mind... To quote Lee Daniels (from the second link):

"... I say, take note of the hypocrisy, but drop the demand for safe space. “Get over it,” as your detractors say; but not for the reasons they say.

Instead, accept that there never has been safe space for any Americans of color in this land. Accept that your responsibility is to follow the strategy most dramatically illustrated by the Black freedom struggle: Embrace the reality that what your American heritage involves is wedding the normal activities of human existence to a continual awareness of the need to resist the second-class status which, in all its guises, some Whites still want to consign Americans of color to.

Let that awareness make you more perceptive about your surroundings and more determined to succeed personally and to move the movement for social justice forward in whatever ways you can. If you do that, I guarantee you’ll have forged in yourself and in the society at large “space” that is impervious to the attacks of people whose words and actions prove they’re afraid of you."


Furthermore, my comfort level is not so much dependent upon the race of those around me. I've been perfectly fine in various settings. Which is how it SHOULD be.

Now, does that mean I'm going to walk into "Cowboy Bob's Bar" in Shitkicker, E. Texas? No. Not hardly.

Frankly, If I had MY druthers, in a truly equal society, with equal respect, protection, opportunity, presumption of innocence, accessibility, and ACCEPTANCE for ALL, "safe space" would be the SAME space for ALL of us.
 
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I've written before of the notion of Safe Spaces, that, when in reference to safe spaces for minorities, is often derided by white people who, not so coincidentally, have always enjoyed the privilege of existing within safe spaces for THEM.

In fact, as I've also written, the entire Trump campaign, the 2016 campaign and this one, his entire litany of fear mongering, rabble rousing, and hate, was and IS based and founded upon his and his constituency's fear of losing their control, their majority, their safe spaces.

The GOP's constituency is DRIVEN by that fear, even if it means continuing to empower a political party that hasn't, for all practical purposes, done a fkng THING for them.

As a point of illustration of this, on a more singular level, allow me to relate an anecdote about a conversation I once had with a white gent of similar age with whom I had (at one time) become somewhat acquainted with.

This is the same guy of whom I'd written once before, when, shortly after Katrina, he emailed me some rather racist cartoons poking fun of black Katrina victims. Needless to say I was not amused, and thus ended our... whatever.

We'd become acquainted via numerous poolside chats at a local venue, relating to no particular subject, but none of which were about social issues, race, or politics. Mind you, this... camaraderie... if you will, developed in the time after 9/11, when the country was momentarily under the illusion at least, of one united and predominant cause against one perceived foreign adversary.

As I recall, even the black administrator of the... facility... where I then worked got peevish at me for failing to wear the "colors" in solidarity with Bush's war with Iraq on the designated day.

However, as it so happened, even then I had doubts as to the real reasons behind Dubya's "mission."

Anyway, suffice it to say I had cause for no premonition as to where this gent's ideology lay with regard to race, except for one singular incident, months before the Storm, that relates to the topic at hand.

And that was when he happened to mention that he'd recently had the occasion to visit my part of the city (the East) to attend to some business he had there (he resided in Baton Rouge).

So I said, okay, and he's just sitting there smiling at me, saying noting more, and I'm looking at him like, "What?" Then he says, "There's a lot of black people there in the East." (And I'm thinking like, "Duhhh.")

But it was at that moment when I realized what had happened (and maybe then, my first inkling of something more with this guy).

Here was a white guy who'd long enjoyed the privilege of being of a majority, in a community where he was of that majority, and the perceived security (however based or not based in reality) he derived from dwelling in that particular "SAFE SPACE"

and who now had found himself in a community where he encountered drivers on the road, and people working in stores, and shoppers, and commuters, and renters, and homeowners, and joggers, and people walking pets, and working in their yards, and cutting their grass, and business owners, and church goers, and managers, and postal delivery people, and police officers, and fast food employees, managers, and customers, and bankers, and gas station operators, and families...

he found ALL OF THE SAME THING that he'd seen throughout his entire life, in his own community, with the exception that most all of them were BLACK.

And it BLEW HIS FKNG MIND.


Safe spaces...

for further reading:

A 'Safe Space' For White People, Otherwise Known As 'The Two-State Solution,' or 'Disunion As Solution' | HuffPost
‘Safe Space’ is for White People | Afro

It's so amazing when that happens right? As if it's some kind of hellish civil war going on in non-white neighborhoods.
 
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It's so amazing when that happens right? As if it's some kind of hellish civil war going on in non-white neighborhoods.

Well sometimes there are. Take it from me, you don't want to find yourself in the local WalMart, inadvertently stuck between a waiting bunch of moms and pallets of still shrink wrapped LOL Surprise Dollhouses, scant minutes before the Christmas sale begins.
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The conservative's and the bigot's (and they are too often one and the same) sense of "Safe Space" doesn't begin and end solely along racial lines, and their desire to maintain a white majority.

It traverses societal, religious, moral, and cultural strata and extends way down deep into their deepest beliefs regarding what they defined (IN WRITING mind you) in their 2019 party platform as "God-given, natural, inalienable rights," and a "moral law recognized as the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God" (pg. 9 DRAFT_12_FINAL[1]-ben_1468872234.pdf)

which is just conserva-bigot-Republican speak for that which they define as "normal"... and more importantly, that which they define as NOT NORMAL.

For example, take Marriage and what (THEY believe) constitutes a proper family. You see, fact is, THEY think their "SAFE SPACE" is violated, "their" country even THREATENED, by family structures and marriages that don't fall into their so-called "Laws of Nature and Nature's God." And that's right there, IN WRITING TOO:


PG. 10 DEFENDING MARRIAGE AGAINST AN ACTIVE JUDICIARY

Traditional marriage and family, based on marriage between one man and one woman, is the foundation for a free society and has for millennia been entrusted with rearing children and instilling cultural values.... In Obergefell, five unelected lawyers robbed 320 million Americans [did you catch that? "robbed Americans"] of their constitutional authority to define marriage as the union of one man and one woman.



And just in case you DIDN'T GET THE MESSAGE the first time, they revisit it again on pg 31 of their... manifesto:


For several generations, an expansive federal regime has marginalized and supplanted the institutions holding our society together. No wonder, then, that so much seems to be coming apart now. The question is whether we are going to reinvigorate the private-sector institutions under citizen control or allow their continued erosion by the forces of centralized social planning.


Translation: In THEIR minds gay marriages and single family households are threatening the very FABRIC of society as they know it. From here they get even nastier:

Foremost among those institutions is the American family. It is the foundation of civil society, and the cornerstone of the family is natural marriage, the union of one man and one woman. Its daily lessons — cooperation, patience, mutual respect, responsibility, self-reliance — are fundamental to the order and progress of our Republic.


The "foundation of a CIVIL SOCIETY" they wrote. "FUNDAMENTAL to the order of the Republic."

Because cooperation, patience, mutual respect, responsibility, and self-reliance can NEVER be taught by a single parent or parents in a same sex marriage, THESE fkrs believe. They go on:


Every child deserves a married mom and dad. [here's the bullshit part] We honor the courageous efforts of those who bear the burdens of parenting alone and embrace the principle that all Americans should be treated with dignity and respect.


Yeah... we've SEEN the Republican idea of "dignity and respect" HAVEN'T we?? They add:


But respect is not enough. Our laws and our government’s regulations should recognize marriage as the union of one man and one woman and actively promote married family life as the basis of a stable and prosperous society.

For that reason, as explained elsewhere in this platform, we do not accept the Supreme Court’s redefinition of marriage and we urge its reversal, whether through judicial reconsideration or a constitutional amendment returning control over marriage to the states.



Then the fkrs toss in their "God given right," (I presume) for good measure. THEIR right to DISCRIMINATE by opposing "government discrimination" (facetious mfkrs) against businesses who CHOOSE TO DISCRIMINATE:


We oppose government discrimination against businesses or entities which decline to sell items or services to individuals for activities that go against their religious views about such activities.


SO.... THAT'S what these b ------------- are made of. Any questions??

 
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PG. 10 DEFENDING MARRIAGE AGAINST AN ACTIVE JUDICIARY

Traditional marriage and family, based on marriage between one man and one woman, is the foundation for a free society and has for millennia been entrusted with rearing children and instilling cultural values.... In Obergefell, five unelected lawyers robbed 320 million Americans [did you catch that? "robbed Americans"] of their constitutional authority to define marriage as the union of one man and one woman.



And just in case you DIDN'T GET THE MESSAGE the first time, they revisit it again on pg 31 of their... manifesto:


For several generations, an expansive federal regime has marginalized and supplanted the institutions holding our society together. No wonder, then, that so much seems to be coming apart now. The question is whether we are going to reinvigorate the private-sector institutions under citizen control or allow their continued erosion by the forces of centralized social planning.


Translation: In THEIR minds gay marriages and single family households are threatening the very FABRIC of society as they know it. From here they get even nastier:

Foremost among those institutions is the American family. It is the foundation of civil society, and the cornerstone of the family is natural marriage, the union of one man and one woman. Its daily lessons — cooperation, patience, mutual respect, responsibility, self-reliance — are fundamental to the order and progress of our Republic.


The "foundation of a CIVIL SOCIETY" they wrote. "FUNDAMENTAL to the order of the Republic."

Because cooperation, patience, mutual respect, responsibility, and self-reliance can NEVER be taught by a single parent or parents in a same sex marriage, THESE fkrs believe. They go on:


Every child deserves a married mom and dad. [here's the bullshit part] We honor the courageous efforts of those who bear the burdens of parenting alone and embrace the principle that all Americans should be treated with dignity and respect.


Yeah... we've SEEN the Republican idea of "dignity and respect" HAVEN'T we?? They add:


But respect is not enough. Our laws and our government’s regulations should recognize marriage as the union of one man and one woman and actively promote married family life as the basis of a stable and prosperous society.

For that reason, as explained elsewhere in this platform, we do not accept the Supreme Court’s redefinition of marriage and we urge its reversal, whether through judicial reconsideration or a constitutional amendment returning control over marriage to the states.



Then the fkrs toss in their "God given right," (I presume) for good measure. THEIR right to DISCRIMINATE by opposing "government discrimination" (facetious mfkrs) against businesses who CHOOSE TO DISCRIMINATE:


We oppose government discrimination against businesses or entities which decline to sell items or services to individuals for activities that go against their religious views about such activities.


SO.... THAT'S what these b ------------- are made of. Any questions??

All of it could have been written by fake Christian Rev. Jerry Falwell Jr. and his theocrat students at Liberty University.
 

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All of it could have been written by fake Christian Rev. Jerry Falwell Jr. and his theocrat students at Liberty University.

Just to update - Falwell Jr. is not an ordained minister. He does think he is God like in many ways, but he is not ordained.

Consider - A New Report Details Pro-Trump Censorship of Liberty University's Student Paper , Liberty University: Censorship of the Student Newspaper of Editorial Control? , Censorship & Faking the News at the Liberty University Newspaper - Christian Discussion Forums | CARM Christian Forums
 
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To hear right wingers, bigots, and those who've drunk the "kool-aid," elite colleges are just chock full of all these (allegedly) undeserving minorities who've (as the narrative goes) didn't earn their spot, but were GIVEN one via affirmative action, thereby pushing some (allegedly) MORE deserving students out of a spot.

But contrary to bigot spin and alternate realities, the TRUTH is, there's PLENTY of "undeserving" students there - their way having been PAID via wealth, influence, power, and connections.

Something the right DOESN'T whine about, NEARLY as much. Wonder why??


43 Percent of White Students Harvard Admits Are Legacies, Jocks, or the Kids of Donors and Faculty

"This month, a group of researchers have delivered a sobering look at how affirmative action works for affluent whites at America’s most prestigious university.

From 2009 until 2014, the paper “Legacy and Athlete Preferences at Harvard” finds, 43 percent of the Caucasian applicants accepted at Harvard University were either athletes, legacies, or the children of donors and faculty. Only about a quarter of those students would have been accepted to the school, the study concludes, without those admissions advantages."

Safe spaces....