Salute to Sen. Bunning: Obama & Dems Hypocrites on Pay-As-You-Go

[tripod]

Senator Kyl is correct.

Don't you think it's a little suspicious that most people find a job right before their unemployment runs out?

It's called desperation Star. when there is no more money coming in, you have to take the kind of job that pays like shit and sucks. Most people hold out for the best job for as long as they can. there just aren't any more good paying jobs available any more.

Would you take a job stocking shelves at the local dollar store immediately after losing your job, or would you try and send out as many resumes that you could and hold out for the best job that you could find?

Your insensitivity to out of work people is downright deplorable, you basically think that you are better than they are and that is where you are wrong. You are no better than anyone else, you're just an average guy.

 

[Industrialsize]

Senator Kyl is correct.

Don't you think it's a little suspicious that most people find a job right before their unemployment runs out?

I'd like you to show me somewhere where that your above statement is actually true. Ever try and LIVE on unemployment??? It's peanuts. You receive approximately 50% of what you earned per week during your highest earning quarter of the previous year. There is a maximum of, I believe, @ 600 dollars/week. You must pay quarterly income taxes on any unemployment benefits you receive. See if you can support a family on that amount.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Your insensitivity to out of work people is downright deplorable, you basically think that you are better than they are and that is where you are wrong. You are no better than anyone else, you're just an average guy.

You're giving him too much credit if he couldn't actually figure this out.

Nobody "chooses" to live on unemployment. Until they can find a job, they simply have no choice. When I lost my job due to the dot-com crunch in 2002, I was eligible for six months of UI as well. Before that, I was steadily in the workforce since 1993. Instead of rushing to get a job to appease all of the starinvestors of the world, I took my time to see if I could land a better paying job instead of taking whatever I could find. Beyond the UI that I was already entitled to (much to the chagrin to all of the starinvestors out there), I also had my own savings that I could use to pay my bills. Even when UI ran out, I still had enough funds to extend my search a bit longer. Eventually, I did find an adequate day job to continue working and I've been there ever since. But I'll be damned if the starinvestors of the world think that I was doing something wrong all because I didn't decide to throw away more than a decade of computer help desk & tech support just to start bagging groceries at a supermarket immediately after losing my job just so I can adhere to his illusion of "working hard".

To the average guy, this would all make sense. Of course, we're talking about someone who equates anyone without a job to be "lazy, good for nothing leeches on society", so common sense like this escapes him. It wouldn't even be worth it to explain how losing a perfectly good job and being reduced to a regular UI check would affect a person's morale as well. That would be too scientific, and I'd be blamed for then playing the victim or "defending the rights of people to leech off the system".

 

[B_talltpaguy]

I'd like you to show me somewhere where that your above statement is actually true. Ever try and LIVE on unemployment??? It's peanuts. You receive approximately 50% of what you earned per week during your highest earning quarter of the previous year. There is a maximum of, I believe, @ 600 dollars/week. You must pay quarterly income taxes on any unemployment benefits you receive. See if you can support a family on that amount.

In Florida, the max is $280 a week, which is less than minimum wage. And the gorilla math they use makes it impossible to ever get the full number of weeks of benefit you're supposed to get.

And if you try to get off of unemployment by starting a business, like I did, you're FUCKED if that business fails (or in my case, if the majority business partner has to suddenly move out of state due to a parent's failing health), because you can't get back on unemployment until you work for 4 months straight for a new employer.

And that's where the games start... companies around here are now skirting the unemployment laws by just hiring people for 100 days or so, and then firing them so that they never qualify for unemployment, and the company never has to pay anything)... And I'm not talking about boom-boom jobs bagging groceries and shit... They're especially doing this to professional and technical jobs that tend to be project based (designers, marketers, consultants, etc)... Instead of hiring people on full-time, like they would normally do, and having people work projects as the company gets them, some companies are now hiring teams of workers for each project, and then firing them when the project is done, and hiring other people for the next project... I'm normally a structural designer, and I haven't had a job offer in over a year that wasn't a temporary job with no benefits and only a flat hourly rate (no incentives for accurate or fast work, like past jobs have done).

All I can say is thank God that while everyone else I knew was flipping houses and getting their GC license and putting their life savings into development companies, I put my money into a major fixer-upper in an in-city urban neighborhood and worked to pay my house and debts off before buying more real estate. If it wasn't for the fact that I have ZERO debts, and basically no bills, I would be bankrupt.

 

[Trinity]

Bunning voted against Paygo, voted for 2 unfunded wars, voted for unfunded Bush tax cuts, voted for unfunded Medicare Prescription plan, voted against the Deficit Reduction commission.

Let me get this straight...because it wasn't impressive when Harry Reid said it either...Democrats agree with voting against Paygo, voting for 2 unfunded wars and the Bush Tax Cuts.

This is another "He did it, So Can I?"

Please. Why do Democrats keep bringing up Bush like it absolves them from the wrong they do?

No matter whether Bush was wrong, the Republicans were wrong, and they all were hypocrites now and then...that still doesn't change the fact that (and read this real slow):

Democrats aren't paying as they go!
They refuse to find funds to pay for billion dollar bills.

Bunning is a hypocritical ass. His little stunt has cost real people real money.

All Harry Reid and the Democrats had to do was fund the bill. Democrats cost people real money. How many weeks does Harry Reid need to find funds? 2? So, if Bunning removes his objection on the committment from Harry Reid that he fund it in 2 weeks would that work to stave off the Emergency? Reid waited until funding ended to bring the bill. The Democrats are the hypocrites.

Question: Why can't the Democrats act better than the Republicans and actually Pay as they go instead of talking about the Bush Administration like they agree with their actions because they are copying the same actions.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

companies around here are now skirting the unemployment laws by just hiring people for 100 days or so, and then firing them so that they never qualify for unemployment, and the company never has to pay anything)... And I'm not talking about boom-boom jobs bagging groceries and shit... They're especially doing this to professional and technical jobs that tend to be project based (designers, marketers, consultants, etc)... Instead of hiring people on full-time, like they would normally do, and having people work projects as the company gets them, some companies are now hiring teams of workers for each project, and then firing them when the project is done, and hiring other people for the next project... I'm normally a structural designer, and I haven't had a job offer in over a year that wasn't a temporary job with no benefits and only a flat hourly rate (no incentives for accurate or fast work, like past jobs have done).

This is 100% true.
Temporary agencies have done this for a long time now. Instead of hiring people full time, they would go to a temp agency advertising their job as a "temp to perm" opportunity. Under that clause, a company would be able to hire a temp at for 90 days at their regular hourly rate. After the 90th day, the job is to become permanent upon which they would then hire the temp and pay any additional fees to the temp agency for their services.

You can only guess what happens from here...
Companies would "find an excuse" on the very last few days as to why they cannot hire the temp. That way, they avoid paying the additional fees incurred from employing one but still get their labor done on the cheap. They also don't have to offer health insurance or any other benefits that a full time employee would get. What's worse, is that most temp agencies would then look at the temp as the problem, because they also lose out on a potential money making opportunity as well. The temp would get fewer opportunities for temporary work in the process, as well as go down in the company's books as a "risk" if he or she ever tried to get employment there, on their own, in the future. Meanwhile, the company can pull the same stunt with another temp agency and with so many agencies out there to choose from it's like they have an unlimited supply of eager workers to dupe & deceive all in the name of cheap labor.

Who gets screwed at the end? People looking for a good job. And for all those who think I'm making this up, PLEASE ask me how I know this?

 

[Industrialsize]

Well look what I found(Bunning is even more hypocritical than I thought)
FLASHBACK: Bunning Enthusiastically Backed Extending Unemployment Benefits That Weren’t Paid For In 2003

Back in 2003 Bunning said:
This is hopeful news for our most needy families in Kentucky. By approving this legislation we will help those folks who are currently without work continue to make ends meet until they can find new employment.” Passage of this legislation means that there will be no lapse in assistance for the nearly 10,000 Kentuckians who have filed claims so far for extended benefits.

THE ABOVE WAS UNFUNDED AND A REPUBLICAN WAS IN THE WHITE HOUSE

Think Progress FLASHBACK: Bunning Enthusiastically Backed Extending Unemployment Benefits That Weren?t Paid For In 2003

 

[Industrialsize]

Let me get this straight...because it wasn't impressive when Harry Reid said it either...Democrats agree with voting against Paygo, voting for 2 unfunded wars and the Bush Tax Cuts.

This is another "He did it, So Can I?"

Please. Why do Democrats keep bringing up Bush like it absolves them from the wrong they do?

No matter whether Bush was wrong, the Republicans were wrong, and they all were hypocrites now and then...that still doesn't change the fact that (and read this real slow):

Democrats aren't paying as they go!
They refuse to find funds to pay for billion dollar bills.



All Harry Reid and the Democrats had to do was fund the bill. Democrats cost people real money. How many weeks does Harry Reid need to find funds? 2? So, if Bunning removes his objection on the committment from Harry Reid that he fund it in 2 weeks would that work to stave off the Emergency? Reid waited until funding ended to bring the bill. The Democrats are the hypocrites.

Question: Why can't the Democrats act better than the Republicans and actually Pay as they go instead of talking about the Bush Administration like they agree with their actions because they are copying the same actions.

And BTW Trinity, PAYGO specifically excludes emergency spending…such as preventing the loss of unemployment benefits.

 

[B_talltpaguy]

^Exactly... This has nothing to do with anything other than the fact that Bunning is a sociopath, and in his senility has lost his ability to hide his contempt for mankind.

This issue of the hold really isn't something for either side to bash anyone over, but Bunning.

 

[Trinity]

And BTW Trinity, PAYGO specifically excludes emergency spending…such as preventing the loss of unemployment benefits.

And BTW Indy:

Reid waited until the eve of the expiration of benefits to ask for "unanimous consent" to pass the measure. Bunning objected. Bunning argued that Reid should have presented it on the Senate floor earlier and thus allow for the normal process of debate and an actual vote cast by each senator. Often the chamber is nearly empty when a "unanimous consent" request is made.

MSNBC

Basically, liberals in Congress love the idea of PAYGO, yet they refuse to enforce the statutory requirements that all new spending be offset. They do this by designating all new spending as an “Emergency Designation.” This is feel good politics at its worst, because the left can claim they are for PAYGO, yet PAYGO has yet to restrain any spending. Furthermore, the vote on PAYGO in the House helped pave the way for a $1.9 trillion increase in the debt limit.

Heritage

The Hypocrisy of Democrats. If Dems claim Republicans were wrong...their actions have to be different to be right. All Harry Reid had to do was fund the bill.

 

[Industrialsize]

Bunning is a BOON to the Democratic Party. I'm sure he plays well to the Tea Party crowd. But they're not the ones that swing elections. In many states, especially the "Battleground States", elections are swung by the Majority Party, the Independents. Bunning is displaying exactly the behavior that these voters have a distaste for. Many of them are peripheraly involved with Politics and get their information from the evening news. And what are they going to see?

JIM BUNNING (R_KENTUCKY)

 

[Trinity]

Well look what I found(Bunning is even more hypocritical than I thought)
FLASHBACK: Bunning Enthusiastically Backed Extending Unemployment Benefits That Weren’t Paid For In 2003

Back in 2003 Bunning said:
This is hopeful news for our most needy families in Kentucky. By approving this legislation we will help those folks who are currently without work continue to make ends meet until they can find new employment.” Passage of this legislation means that there will be no lapse in assistance for the nearly 10,000 Kentuckians who have filed claims so far for extended benefits.

THE ABOVE WAS UNFUNDED AND A REPUBLICAN WAS IN THE WHITE HOUSE

Let me get this right...anything the Republicans did the Democrats can mess up better?

The Dems just raised the debt ceiling to close to 15 trillon dollars promising to Pay as they go.

All Harry Reid has to do is fund the Bill.

 

[B_talltpaguy]

All Harry Reid had to do was fund the bill.[/SIZE]

Why would Reid fund the bill when PayGo rules don't apply, and NOBODY, including the Republicans, said they had any problem funding the current bill as-is, passing it using unanimous consent rules? Leaders on both sides of the aisle agreed not to even take the time to assemble to vote on the bill, let alone debate it... Then sociopath Bunning went out on his own and did this, against everyone else's wishes. Literally NOBODY supports him... Except a few loons like you.

 

[B_talltpaguy]

Btw, Bunning is in the process of caving... The unemployment extension will pass without following paygo rules.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/02/jobless.benefits.bill/index.html

Cowards always cut and run. Especially when the entire country is ready to string them up.

 

[Ericsson1228d]

If Harry just told us where the money would come from, it would be over with.

The irresponsible Dems just "spend away" and have no concept that the money eventually has to come from somewhere.

If people stop getting unemployment benefits, it is Reid's fault, not the good senator from Kentucky's. Sen. Bunning would let it pass if the just did their "pay-as-you-go," but guess what? Obama and all his cronies prefer to simply lie to the American People.

 

[Industrialsize]

Let Bunning self filibuster as long as he wants.......It's helping both the passing of health care reform and will help the Dems in the mid-terms....HELL, I signed an online petition to tell Jim to keep going, joined his facebook page too.

 

[Industrialsize]

Bunning Caves in:


This is part of Harry Reid"s response:
"In between the time Republicans rejected a vote on their plan and the time they decided to take that offer,
· Thousands needlessly lost their benefits.
· Highway projects were put on hold and the thousands of men and women working on them were furloughed without pay.
· Lending to small businesses was frozen.
· And the reimbursement rate for doctors who treat our senior citizens was cut by a fifth.
"And for what? For no good reason.
"Republicans had an idea for how to pay for these benefits. We disagreed, but we wanted to give them a vote and let the majority of Senators decide democratically. That's the way this body was built to work.


Bunning Accepts Deal On Jobless Benefits

 

[B_talltpaguy]

If Harry just told us where the money would come from, it would be over with.

The irresponsible Dems just "spend away" and have no concept that the money eventually has to come from somewhere.

If people stop getting unemployment benefits, it is Reid's fault, not the good senator from Kentucky's. Sen. Bunning would let it pass if the just did their "pay-as-you-go," but guess what? Obama and all his cronies prefer to simply lie to the American People.

You're good at parroting talking points...

But it's fine, cuz this event is ripe for making juicy talking points. To wit; If Republicans want to sadistically punish construction workers by furloughing them, cut Americans' access to healthcare, and withhold benefits from the unemployed that Congress already promised to them, so that they can prove some demented ideological point about deficits, go for it. The more phony grandstanding the Reps make about "balanced budgets", when they themselves haven't made the slightest effort to balance the budget in two generations, the more they turn off anyone who might have been convinced to vote for them in November.

 

[justasimpleguy]

I can't believe we're comparing $10 billion for unemployed people in the worst economy in generations to $400 billion for big pharma. I don't even know what to say to that.

 

[Trinity]

Bunning Caves in:

This is part of Harry Reid"s response:
"In between the time Republicans rejected a vote on their plan and the time they decided to take that offer,
· Thousands needlessly lost their benefits.
· Highway projects were put on hold and the thousands of men and women working on them were furloughed without pay.
· Lending to small businesses was frozen.
· And the reimbursement rate for doctors who treat our senior citizens was cut by a fifth.
"And for what? For no good reason.
"Republicans had an idea for how to pay for these benefits. We disagreed, but we wanted to give them a vote and let the majority of Senators decide democratically. That's the way this body was built to work.


Bunning Accepts Deal On Jobless Benefits

Bunning didn't cave. Bunning forced the Democrats to vote NO to fund the bill. This vote is now verifiable proof that Obama and the Dems have no intention to adhere to Pay As You Go and prime proof we cannot afford Obama and the Dems AGENDA. This action only makes Obama's third attempt to present an uncosted Healthcare Proposal tomorrow look like a JOKE.

We cannot afford Obamascare or the Democratic Agenda.