Salute to Sen. Bunning: Obama & Dems Hypocrites on Pay-As-You-Go

[B_talltpaguy]

^lol

 

[vince]

I don't know the history of all this. Forgive me. I'm just a heathen from one of those "lesser nations" with (mostly) balanced budgets and universal single-payer healthcare.

But, I have a question. How is this Barack Obama's or Harry Reid's fault when all the elected member of Congress, including the republicans, save for one, were on-board with it?

I guess unfunded means borrowed money, and I think that is crazy myself. But it seems to me that it was not only the Democrats wanted this bill to pass. So did the Reps.

How is this the President's fault? He gave up his Senate seat over a year ago.

 

[Trinity]

I don't know the history of all this. Forgive me. I'm just a heathen from one of those "lesser nations" with (mostly) balanced budgets and universal single-payer healthcare.

But, I have a question. How is this Barack Obama's or Harry Reid's fault when all the elected member of Congress, including the republicans, save for one, were on-board with it?

I guess unfunded means borrowed money, and I think that is crazy myself. But it seems to me that it was not only the Democrats wanted this bill to pass. So did the Reps.

How is this the President's fault? He gave up his Senate seat over a year ago.

1. The Democratic Party Controls the House, the Senate and the White House

2. The President is a member of the Majority Party

3. The President and the Democrats touted Pay As You Go and declared that they supported it. Feb. 12th 2010

Youtube: Pres. Obama states that he and congress will adhere to Pay As You Go.

4. In raising the debt ceiling the Democrats and Majority Party promised the American people they would Pay as they went along.

5. The Democrats failed to "live up to the value" that they said they supported.

6. No Member of Congress wanted the bill to fail. Sen. Bunning and many Americans simply wanted the Harry Reid and the Democrats to adhere to Pay Go and FIND THE FUNDS TO COVER THE BILL instead of adding to the deficit.

7. Regardless of what Republicans did in the past or did today - they are in the minority. The Democrats say they stand for something different than the Republicans but follow the same actions.

As Obama states in his own Weekly Address: "They are Abandoning the Rule" and failing to pay for their measures. Hypocrital Actions on the part of the Democrats.

 

[tripod]

Nobody said a fucking thing when Bush raised our debt from $5.73 trillion to $10.7 trillion during his 8 years!!! Now everyone is a fiscal conservative. LMFAO! And Bush didn't have anywhere near the mess that Obama's inherited.

Just say it... YOU'VE GOT NOTHING and you are playing your hand so the American people can see what douches the Republicans and Tea Baggers really are.

I love it that the Repubs think that the average American had no idea how much Bush ran up our debt... they all know and haven't forgotten.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Nobody said a fucking thing when Bush raised our debt from $5.73 trillion to $10.7 trillion during his 8 years!!! Now everyone is a fiscal conservative. LMFAO!

I'll join you with the laughter.
The hypocrisy is just too glaring.

 

[Industrialsize]

1. The Democratic Party Controls the House, the Senate and the White House

2. The President is a member of the Majority Party

3. The President and the Democrats touted Pay As You Go and declared that they supported it. Feb. 12th 2010

Youtube: Pres. Obama states that he and congress will adhere to Pay As You Go.

4. In raising the debt ceiling the Democrats and Majority Party promised the American people they would Pay as they went along.

5. The Democrats failed to "live up to the value" that they said they supported.

6. No Member of Congress wanted the bill to fail. Sen. Bunning and many Americans simply wanted the Harry Reid and the Democrats to adhere to Pay Go and FIND THE FUNDS TO COVER THE BILL instead of adding to the deficit.

7. Regardless of what Republicans did in the past or did today - they are in the minority. The Democrats say they stand for something different than the Republicans but follow the same actions.

As Obama states in his own Weekly Address: "They are Abandoning the Rule" and failing to pay for their measures. Hypocrital Actions on the part of the Democrats.

Like I already said. PAYGO did NOT apply to this bill. The final vote on the bill after Bunning's stunt was brought to a close was a BIPARTISAN 78-19.

 

[finsuptx]

What part of "Pay-Go does not apply to emergency-spending" do you NOT understand? You are like a broken record or a Chatty Cathy Doll that pulls her own string.

The real point in all of this is how U.S. Senators think of themselves as Lords over the American people. You only need to watch Bunning in his run-in with a reporter as he tried to escape a perfectly acceptable question in a "Senator's Only" elevator. Bunning didn't really care about funding it. He held up crucial funds DUE to people who are hurting (through no fault of their own, mind you) to make a statement. He's not running for re-election so he could take the politcal hit for the powers in his party that told him to do it.

Bunning is putz and I can't wait until ur string breaks, Cathy!

Bunning didn't cave. Bunning forced the Democrats to vote NO to fund the bill. This vote is now verifiable proof that Obama and the Dems have no intention to adhere to Pay As You Go and prime proof we cannot afford Obama and the Dems AGENDA. This action only makes Obama's third attempt to present an uncosted Healthcare Proposal tomorrow look like a JOKE.

We cannot afford Obamascare or the Democratic Agenda.

 

[B_talltpaguy]

Nobody said a fucking thing when Bush raised our debt from $5.73 trillion to $10.7 trillion during his 8 years!!! Now everyone is a fiscal conservative. LMFAO! And Bush didn't have anywhere near the mess that Obama's inherited.

Just say it... YOU'VE GOT NOTHING and you are playing your hand so the American people can see what douches the Republicans and Tea Baggers really are.

I love it that the Repubs think that the average American had no idea how much Bush ran up our debt... they all know and haven't forgotten.

Yeah, the Reps just created a whole genre of campaign commercials against themselves this week.



And to the wingnut trolls... no, the Republicans won't be getting mileage out of commercials trumpeting how they held up unemployment benefits to make an ideological point about 'balanced budgets', something that they themselves didn't vote for now, didn't vote for in the 90's and immediately repealed upon taking control of the White House in 2001... The Republicans have a generations long track record of opposing fiscal restraint, and everyone knows it, because it's been an issue of serious national concern almost my entire lifetime, and it's been well known that entire time which side is to blame (Reps). If the Reps dare to bring up budgeting as a campaign issue, they are going to shoot themselves in the foot with IND voters, big time.

 

[StormfrontFL]

What part of "Pay-Go does not apply to emergency-spending" do you NOT understand? You are like a broken record or a Chatty Cathy Doll that pulls her own string.

The real point in all of this is how U.S. Senators think of themselves as Lords over the American people. You only need to watch Bunning in his run-in with a reporter as he tried to escape a perfectly acceptable question in a "Senator's Only" elevator. Bunning didn't really care about funding it. He held up crucial funds DUE to people who are hurting (through no fault of their own, mind you) to make a statement. He's not running for re-election so he could take the politcal hit for the powers in his party that told him to do it.

Bunning is putz and I can't wait until ur string breaks, Cathy!

Thanks for posting this. Since I have the troll known as Trinsanity on ignore I've only had to guess what nonsense it has been posting. It will never acknowledge that it is wrong. It can only repeat what its Reich wing masters tell it. It also irritates me that it claims to be a Dem but consistently sides with the Republicans.
Let us all hope that the reform goes through so that maybe one day Trinsanity will be able to get all the help it needs(psychiatric as well as that gender reassignment surgery:tongue

 

[Trinity]

Like I already said. PAYGO did NOT apply to this bill. The final vote on the bill after Bunning's stunt was brought to a close was a BIPARTISAN 78-19.

What part of "Pay-Go does not apply to emergency-spending" do you NOT understand? You are like a broken record or a Chatty Cathy Doll that pulls her own string.


Bunning is putz and I can't wait until ur string breaks, Cathy!

As I stated previously in this thread and most everyone in politics is aware of...Harry Reid and the Dems keep making bills "emergencies" when they don't have to be and Reid also didn't want debate or a full vote on it.

And BTW Indy:

Reid waited until the eve of the expiration of benefits to ask for "unanimous consent" to pass the measure. Bunning objected. Bunning argued that Reid should have presented it on the Senate floor earlier and thus allow for the normal process of debate and an actual vote cast by each senator. Often the chamber is nearly empty when a "unanimous consent" request is made.

MSNBC

Basically, liberals in Congress love the idea of PAYGO, yet they refuse to enforce the statutory requirements that all new spending be offset. They do this by designating all new spending as an “Emergency Designation.” This is feel good politics at its worst, because the left can claim they are for PAYGO, yet PAYGO has yet to restrain any spending. Furthermore, the vote on PAYGO in the House helped pave the way for a $1.9 trillion increase in the debt limit.

Heritage

Of course the Republicans made sure benefits weren't interrupted. As I stated previously no member wanted the bill to fail, but what is so damning for the Democrats is their blantant hypocrisy in the matter:

3. The President and the Democrats touted Pay As You Go and declared that they supported it. Feb. 12th 2010

Youtube: Pres. Obama states that he and congress will adhere to Pay As You Go.

4. In raising the debt ceiling the Democrats and Majority Party promised the American people they would Pay as they went along.

5. The Democrats failed to "live up to the value" that they said they supported.

6. No Member of Congress wanted the bill to fail. Sen. Bunning and many Americans simply wanted the Harry Reid and the Democrats to adhere to Pay Go and FIND THE FUNDS TO COVER THE BILL instead of adding to the deficit.

7. Regardless of what Republicans did in the past or did today - they are in the minority. The Democrats say they stand for something different than the Republicans but follow the same actions.

As Obama states in his own Weekly Address: "They are Abandoning the Rule" and failing to pay for their measures. Hypocrital Actions on the part of the Democrats.

Yeah, the Reps just created a whole genre of campaign commercials against themselves this week.

Nope. That was Obama and the Dems! Keep reading...it gets better from here...

And to the wingnut trolls... no, the Republicans won't be getting mileage out of commercials...

If the Reps dare to bring up budgeting as a campaign issue, they are going to shoot themselves in the foot with IND voters, big time.

WRONG.

Sorry, but let me show you how this will play out:

Obama and the Dems don't have a leg to stand on the budgetting issue...due to their use of the Reconcilation on healthcare. Not only are they not adhereing to Pay Go and violating their own supposed standards, Obama is using reconcilation, something he strongly spoke against and vowed not to use:

They have Obama on TAPE, visual and verbal words. I can see the ads now. The Hypocrisy playing over and over.

With his call today for an "up or down'' vote on healthcare -- which, if the bill is to meet his specifications, will mean a simple 51-vote majority of the Senate -- President Barack Obama has invited a rereading of the promises he made as a candidate.
"You've got to break out of what I call the 50-plus-one pattern of presidential politics, which means you have nasty primaries where everyone's disheartened, then you divide the country 45 percent on one side, 45 percent on the other, 10 percent in middle, all of whom live in Florida and Ohio," Obama once told the editors of The Concord Monitor in New Hampshire, in October of 2007. "Then maybe you eke out a victory of 50 plus one. You can't govern."

Chicago Tribune - The Swamp

Barack Obama also stated:

CBS Interview 11/2/04

My understanding of the Senate is that you need 60 votes to get something significant to happen, which means that Democrats and Republicans have to ask the question, do we have the will to move an American agenda forward, not a Democratic or Republican agenda forward?

Change to Win Convention 9/25/07

The bottom line is that our healthcare plans are similar, the question once again is, who can get it done? Who can build a movement for change? This is an area where we’re going to have to have a 60% majority in the Senate and the House in order to actually get a bill to my desk. We’re going to have to have a majority to get a bill to my desk. That is not just a fifty plus one majority.

Obama Interview with the Concord Monitor 10/9/07

You’ve got to break out of what I call the sort of fifty plus one pattern of presidential politics. Maybe you eke out a victory of fifty plus one. Then you can’t govern. You know, you get Air Force One, there are a lot of nice perks, but you can’t deliver on healthcare. We are not going to pass universal health care with a fifty plus one strategy.

Center for American Progress Conference 7/12/06

Those big-ticket items: fixing our health care system. You know, one of the arguments that sometimes I get with my fellow progressives, and some of these have flashed up in the blog communities on occasion, is this notion that we should function sort of like Karl Rove where we identify our core base, we throw ’em red meat, we get a fifty plus one victory. See, Karl Rove doesn’t need a broad consensus because he doesn’t believe in government. If we want to transform the country, though, that requires a sizeable majority.

Michelle Malkin.com

 

[B_talltpaguy]

Sorry, but let me show you how this will play out:

Obama and the Dems don't have a leg to stand on the budgetting issue...due to their use of the Reconcilation on healthcare. Not only are they not adhereing to Pay Go and violating their own supposed standards, Obama is using reconcilation, something he strongly spoke against and vowed not to use:

They have Obama on TAPE, visual and verbal words. I can see the ads now. The Hypocrisy playing over and over.

lolol... That all might make sense, if the party making these claims wasn't the party that everyone knows put us in this predicament in the first place.

You can toot and toot on that little horn of yours until you're blue in the face, but it isn't going to change the fact that the only thing that voters hate more than the Democrats right now are the Republicans.
http://www.dailykos.com/weeklypoll/2010/2/25

 

[392847]

lolol... That all might make sense, if the party making these claims wasn't the party that everyone knows put us in this predicament in the first place.

You can toot and toot on that little horn of yours until you're blue in the face, but it isn't going to change the fact that the only thing that voters hate more than the Democrats right now are the Republicans.
Daily Kos :: State of the Nation

Those are some interesting numbers...

 

[Trinity]

lolol... That all might make sense, if the party making these claims wasn't the party that everyone knows put us in this predicament in the first place.

You can toot and toot on that little horn of yours until you're blue in the face, but it isn't going to change the fact that the only thing that voters hate more than the Democrats right now are the Republicans.
Daily Kos :: State of the Nation

Not When Obama already used that in his Hope and Change Campaign.

Nope. How silly. Bush is over. We all know the situation and how we got here. That's how the Dems got the WH, control of the House and Senate. What we now know is that Obama is failing...failing to lead, failing to keep his promises. The ads will be DAMNING to Obama and the Dems when they play over and over in Obama's own words.

Oh and BTW, it doesn't even have to come from Republicans...any group can do it. hmmm Tea Party....

 

[maxcok]

I think it's most interesting to note that Bunning is being forced into retirement by his own Republican party colleagues, who have decided he is an embarrassment and a liability.

Let the chips begin to fall!


Jim Bunning's quixotic stand on spending

 

[maxcok]

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first brought to you by the Mighty Indy:

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. . . You are like a broken record or a Chatty Cathy Doll that pulls her own string.

failing...failing....failing....over and over......

 

[midlifebear]

Sir Giant Maxcok(x): Bravo, bravo.

 

[b.c.]

I think it's most interesting to note that Bunning is being forced into retirement by his own Republican party colleagues, who have decided he is an embarrassment and a liability.

Let the chips begin to fall!


Jim Bunning's quixotic stand on spending

We need more Bunnings, just like we needed David Duke.

People like that rip the thin veneer of acceptability off far right winged ideology.... Puts the shit right up under our noses so we can see and smell what the fuck it (and they) really are all about.

Now Obama is forcing a vote on the healthcare bill. Good for him! It's either yes or no. How's that for your "lack o leadership"?

And when it fails in Congress, maybe (I said "maybe") the American public will realize what that means (considering recently announced increases in healthcare premiums) and more importantly, who opposed it from the get.

 

[maxcok]

. . . And when it fails in Congress, maybe (I said "maybe") the American public will realize what that means (considering recently announced increases in healthcare premiums) and more importantly, who opposed it from the get.

See, I'm kinda with you on this. I know it's not PC to say around here, but I think Howard Dean had it right in the beginning. Let the bill run into the Republican brick wall and be defeated. It's the only way the general public will really start to tune in and understand the process - and more importantly, who's to blame.

The people want this, they've just been bamboozled by disinformation. As more Anthem Blue Crosses emerge, and you know they will, the people will start screaming cause they finally get that they're up shit creek. Time then to recast the debate, make it honest and for real this time, slap down the lunatic fringe, and make it a winning issue for the Dems in November. Then come back with a stronger bill - with a bully Prez and full public support this time - include a for real public option, no state opt-outs, insurance and pharma controls, and push till it's done.

Anyway, that's my strategy, for what it's worth. I'm very afraid that if the Dems force through a bill now, it's gonna be a losing issue for them in November, for various reasons. Worse, if the Repubs are in control, they'll start dismantling what's been done. Again, just thinking from the perspective of a dumbass voter here, not an informed political junkie. There's a big difference.

 

[Trinity]

Now Obama is forcing a vote on the healthcare bill. Good for him! It's either yes or no. How's that for your "lack o leadership"?

That's not leadership. That's utter stupidity. The American people don't want any of the Democrat bills or Obama's proposals and they want Obama and congress to start over.

Just because he does something, doesn't mean it's leadership. It means he's making a huge mistake demonstrating he doesn't know how to lead.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

See, I'm kinda with you on this. I know it's not PC to say around here, but I think Howard Dean had it right in the beginning. Let the bill run into the Republican brick wall and be defeated. It's the only way the general public will really start to tune in and understand the process - and more importantly, who's to blame.

I think this paragraph is worth repeating.
Because if Health Care is voted down in the Senate, we should have our focuses on every single individual politician who voted no. That means, if any of the so-called Blue Dog Democrats attempt to block it to, they should also be held accountable.