Salute to Sen. Bunning: Obama & Dems Hypocrites on Pay-As-You-Go

[Trinity]

See, I'm kinda with you on this. I know it's not PC to say around here, but I think Howard Dean had it right in the beginning. Let the bill run into the Republican brick wall and be defeated. It's the only way the general public will really start to tune in and understand the process - and more importantly, who's to blame.

I think this paragraph is worth repeating.
Because if Health Care is voted down in the Senate, we should have our focuses on every single individual politician who voted no. That means, if any of the so-called Blue Dog Democrats attempt to block it to, they should also be held accountable.

The majority of Americans don't support any Democratic Healthcare Bill or Obama's proposals that make up Obamascare.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Wow... what a pill! :biggrin:

 

[maxcok]

I think this paragraph is worth repeating.
Because if Health Care is voted down in the Senate, we should have our focuses on every single individual politician who voted no. That means, if any of the so-called Blue Dog Democrats attempt to block it to, they should also be held accountable.

Thanks VB. It's nice to know I'm not entirely alone on this. And I couldn't hope for better company. To clarify, I am not in favor of scrapping the bill and starting over. I am in favor of strengthening the House version, providing a bona fide public option that is truly optional for anyone who wants to sign up, real and significant general cost containment measures, and meaningful regulation of the Pharma and Insurance Industries, removing exclusionary practices, anti-trust satus, and forcing real competition and "free enterprise" in the marketplace.

To also clarify for the peanut galleries: although a slim majority of Americans are indeed against passage of the present bill, they oppose it for very different reasons. Those most strongly opposed base their opposition on an erroneous understanding of the content of the bill. When the current provisions are described accurately, the overwhelming majority actually support what's in the bill.

 

[Industrialsize]

I think this paragraph is worth repeating.
Because if Health Care is voted down in the Senate, we should have our focuses on every single individual politician who voted no. That means, if any of the so-called Blue Dog Democrats attempt to block it to, they should also be held accountable.

The "Primary the Blue Dogs from the Left" has already begun. Blanche Lincoln(DINO-AK) has got herself of legitimate candidate in her Democratic Primary . He is the popular, elected, Democratic Lieutenant Governor of Arkansas, Bill Halter. I sent him 10 dollars today. He is getting major Financial Support from National Unions and the Conservation lobby. The union is supporting her opponent because of her stance on health Care. The Conservation Lobby does not like her environmental policies. But, The Whitehouse is throwing its support behind Lincoln. I think the Whitehouse is making a mistake. Lincoln is going to lose. Her popularity is in the Shitter. By supporting Lincoln it all but assures the seat Flips to Republican. Halter is a YES vote on Health care and should put up a decent to fight to his Republican opponent, possibly saving this seat for the Dems, and putting one more Progressive vote in the Senate.


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[B_talltpaguy]

The majority of Americans don't support any Democratic Healthcare Bill or Obama's proposals

Then there are surely a variety of polls confirming this sentiment.

Got links?

 

[b.c.]

That's not leadership. That's utter stupidity. The American people don't want any of the Democrat bills or Obama's proposals and they want Obama and congress to start over.

Just because he does something, doesn't mean it's leadership. It means he's making a huge mistake demonstrating he doesn't know how to lead.

At least now they'll have to shit or get off the pot, won't they?

If it fails let its failure be on those who opposed it. The healthcare industry has already shown us what they plan to do, eh?

And with news of today's widespread student protests (over budget cuts) thrown into the mix for good measure. There's your "party". Care for some tea?

You see, that's the funny thing about "budget cuts". Everyone's in favor of one, until it "cuts" his or her own ass.

 

[Trinity]

At least now they'll have to shit or get off the pot, won't they?

If it fails let its failure be on those who opposed it.

Oh, you mean rather than Obama conceding any ground on the issue and actually doing away with the mess of bills and proposals so abhorred by most that not only does a large majority of the American people want Obama to either start over or abandon healthcare reform all together, but it has created in fighting within the Democratic Party...you mean any failure would most certainly be placed on those who voted "No" on the most rejected, costly, tainted by backroom sweetheart deals and done under a budgetary nuclear option impugned by Obama himself?

LOL. Sorry, No.

The healthcare industry has already shown us what they plan to do, eh?

And with news of today's widespread student protests (over budget cuts) thrown into the mix for good measure. There's your "party". Care for some tea?

You see, that's the funny thing about "budget cuts". Everyone's in favor of one, until it "cuts" his or her own ass.

The education protests are more reason why we cannot afford Obama's Obamascare nor his Agenda.

 

[B_talltpaguy]

The education protests are more reason why we cannot afford Obama's Obamascare nor his Agenda.

When you say "we", who are you talking about, specifically?

 

[StormfrontFL]

When you say "we", who are you talking about, specifically?

Trinsanity has multiple personalities. "We" refers to the voices in its head.

 

[StormfrontFL]

Then there are surely a variety of polls confirming this sentiment.

Got links?

The entity will present links to Reichwing sites. It always does. It is a one trick pony.

 

[maxcok]

When you say "we", who are you talking about, specifically?

You're new here, aren't you?

 

[MovingForward]

I agree on both sides, there are some people sitting on their unemployment, not really looking for a job. I know a guy who has been unemployed a whole year and is on his last extension, and now only realized the urgency of finding the job. On the other hand, i was one of those people that were laid off. Guess what I earned unemployment and then I got a job and realized I was getting more on unemployment then I was getting working hard and commuting to a job, just because I thought I needed one. Yes there are fewer jobs out there and competition is fierce, but if you really look you can find something. Oh and I will admit, I was one of those people sitting on my unemployment. I did not start looking for a job for a couple of months until I was laid off, i even thought of moving to mexico and letting my unemployment check stretch a little further.

 

[b.c.]

Oh, you mean rather than Obama conceding any ground on the issue and actually doing away with the mess of bills and proposals so abhorred by most that not only does a large majority of the American people want Obama to either start over or abandon healthcare reform all together, but it has created in fighting within the Democratic Party...you mean any failure would most certainly be placed on those who voted "No" on the most rejected, costly, tainted by backroom sweetheart deals and done under a budgetary nuclear option impugned by Obama himself?

By "sweetheart deals" do you mean these REPUBLICAN proposals that were incorporated into the current bill? (source mediamatters.org - and yes, it's an anti-conservative site. But fact is, these are Republican based ideas currently in the bill):

"creating a high-risk pool for uninsured folks with preexisting conditions"; "Allowing insurance companies to sell coverage across state lines"; "creating pools where self-employed and small businesses could buy insurance"; "let[ting] kids remain covered on their parents' insurance until they're 25 or 26"; "incentivizing wellness"; and "creating an affordable catastrophic insurance option for young people"

http://mediamatters.org/research/201002100034?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+mediamatters%2Flatest+(Media+Matters+-+Latest+Items)

 

[Trinity]

By "sweetheart deals" do you mean these REPUBLICAN proposals that were incorporated into the current bill? (source mediamatters.org - and yes, it's an anti-conservative site. But fact is, these are Republican based ideas currently in the bill):

"creating a high-risk pool for uninsured folks with preexisting conditions"; "Allowing insurance companies to sell coverage across state lines"; "creating pools where self-employed and small businesses could buy insurance"; "let[ting] kids remain covered on their parents' insurance until they're 25 or 26"; "incentivizing wellness"; and "creating an affordable catastrophic insurance option for young people"

Garrett ignores GOP influence in current health care legislation to say Obama will "start" incorporating GOP ideas | Media Matters for America

No. And those proposals should be the proposal when they START OVER with a blank slate.

The tainted backroom sweetheart deals include the CornHusker kickback, the Lousiana Purchase, the deal the Unions, Nevada's opt out....and others. Look it up and educate yourself. But thanks for posting the best ideas on healthcare came from the Republicans. :wink:

 

[maxcok]

^ ^ ^ Not only does it have talking points, it has cute little movie titles to help keep them straight.

How adorable!

 

[b.c.]

No. And those proposals should be the proposal when they START OVER with a blank slate.

The tainted backroom sweetheart deals include the CornHusker kickback, the Lousiana Purchase, the deal the Unions, Nevada's opt out....and others. Look it up and educate yourself. But thanks for posting the best ideas on healthcare came from the Republicans. :wink:

Seem like you think the only ideas worth considering are Republican ideas.

Not that any of us would've wanted to hold our breaths waiting for those fucka's to push for healthcare reform, eh?

 

[B_talltpaguy]

The education protests are more reason why we cannot afford Obama's Obamascare nor his Agenda.

When you say "we", who are you talking about, specifically?

You never answered my question... You said "we" can't afford the current agenda... Who is the "we" you refer to in your remarks?

 

[maxcok]

You never answered my question... You said "we" can't afford the current agenda... Who is the "we" you refer to in your remarks?

Dude, you will never get an answer on that from the holey .
Many before you have tried and failed.

I can give you an answer though. speaks for the American people, most if not all of them.
The "we" also refers to the ecclesiastical and sexual holy trinity, represented by the multiple voices inside its heads, which speak in unison with omniscience and divine infallibility.

I hope this helps.