Sarah Palin Doesn't Want to Play

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As I said,"She was a major factor in the McCain defeat", not the reason. Jeeshus Khryst, you even bolded that line in my quote, and you still got it wrong. You're correct that she initially energized the right-wing base of the party, but in the end to negligible effect. There were many reasons McCain lost, prominent among them was turning off voters in the center where the real battleground is, and women voters in particular. Palin was a major factor in both. In the end, voters questioned McCain's judgment in selecting Palin, another factor in the defeat of the ticket.

That initial "shot in the arm" turned out to be an infection. I would love, love, love to see her try to take on Obama in a debate or anywhere. Let her show what an idiot and a zealot she is. He will obliterate her.

"Women's votes were a significant factor in Senator Barack Obama's victory, with a sizable gender gap evident in the election results....Women strongly preferred Obama to Senator John McCain (56 percent for Obama, 43 percent for McCain), unlike men, who split their votes about evenly for the two presidential candidates (49 percent for Obama, 48 percent for McCain)."
Women's Vote in 2008 Election

Now that the exit polls are in, the ballots are counted and the election is over, it’s clear that the Palin effect did not come to fruition. She did not bring out the base in high enough numbers to defeat Sen Barack Obama.
Her appeal to women didn’t pan out either. Overall, the McCain-Palin ticket only picked up 43 percent of the female vote, compared to the 48 percent that went for Bush in 2004.

Two days before Election Day, CNN released a national survey showing that Palin was a two-point drag on the GOP ticket overall. A New York Times survey reached a similar conclusion. “The end effect [of Palin running] was to make it impossible for McCain to win,” said Joel Goldstein, a professor at Saint Louis University School of Law. “The choice reflected poorly on McCain’s decision-making abilities. I think it made it impossible for him to attract the Democrats and the independents that he needed.”

Among independent voters, Democrats did better this year than in the last two presidential elections. The Republican ticket trailed Obama by 8 points among independents. Obama picked up 52 percent of independent voters, while McCain only took 44 percent, according to CNN exit poll numbers.
Palin 2012 Hopes Hinge on Broader Appeal « The Washington Independent

GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin didn't do well in exit polls. Sixty percent of those polled said the Alaska governor is not qualified to be president if necessary; 38 percent said she is. That compares with the two-thirds of those polled who said Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden is qualified to be president and the 31 percent who said he isn't.
Exit polls: Obama wins big among young, minority voters - CNN.com

Once again, you just prove you don't have a fukin clue, and you're just talking out of your ass. I don't even know why I bother to respond.

BTW, two days later we're still waiting for you to respond to this out-of-ass talking. You're a joke.

"The" reason..."A" reason, who cares? I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth if you listen to my point. My point is that she was the OPPOSITE of a negative impact. She wasn't THE reason or even A reason for McCain's defeat. You are making a straw man. Why? Because you have nothing!

Women voters voted for Obama over McCain? No shit Sherlock. A majority of Women are liberal. Palin was the vice presidential nomination. Saying that anyone voted for Barack over Palin in 2008 is like saying someone would vote for McCain over Biden. The comparisons don't make any logical sense.

All of your studies don't address the real reasons people were voting one way or another. If you take all factors that led to the decision people made in 2008, you would see that your polls are nearly pointless. For example, so exit polls showed people thought Palin didn't have the experience? Well that doesn't explain why anyone would vote for Obama then does it? Palin wasn't even running for president, and even Biden said that the presidency doesn't lend itself to on the job training. Are you calling the majority of voters stupid? Because based on what you are writing, you think they are. And you're even more stupid to think I wouldn't pick up on your non-sense.

What you and many others fail to see is that true intelligence does not lie in homework, but rather test scores. In other words, anyone can scour the internet and regurgitate a bunch of polls that say one thing or another, but it takes true intelligence to figure out whats really going on. Go back to school where the teachers will keep giving you A's for effort while you pump out those homework assignments. Leave the real problem solving to those that are smart enough to figure out what all this means.
 

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I have no respect for her, but Sarah Palin and the entire Palin destruction of the McCain Campaign is a really interesting piece of history. What amazes me with Palin is that she has not only put one foot in her mouth multiple times, but her grim determination to place the other foot in there at the same time.

There are a few extremists who do not get the message that it was she who destroyed the campaign of John McCain. When he was running for President he was a Maverick who is an original thinker. Of course the fact that he voted with George Bush most of the time might have implied otherwise, but he didn't care. Until Palin entered the picture, he stood a better than 50% chance of being elected to the White House.

She, Todd, Bristol and Levi have had their 15 minutes of fame. I just wish that they would go quietly into the night, but no, they just keep coming back for more and playing more stupid games. If she wanted to accomplish something she would shut up for six months and then re-invent herself. By that time the American People (memories as short as they are) won't remember and she can start all over again with a better speech writer.

Buddy, I'm going to make this simple for you - every single point you made and opinion you expressed was the complete opposite of reality. Until you figure that out you are a lost soul.
 

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You wanted Hillary Clinton to win the nomination because Republicans thought they could "dig up more dirt" against her.

I guess I'm talking to a wall then? Yeah, um, when did I say I wanted Hillary to win the nom? What part of operation chaos did you miss?

I guess you end up being a history revisionist when you aren't a part of the history we are referring to. Seriously what part of the description of Operation Chaos did you not understand? Or did you assume that I was misrepresenting it? Does anyone else here not know what Operation Chaos was or that we wanted Hillary nominated over Obama? WTF? Freakin WALL. I guess "Vinyl" in Vinylboy refers to the type of wallpaper.
 

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"The" reason..."A" reason, who cares? I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth if you listen to my point. My point is that she was the OPPOSITE of a negative impact. She wasn't THE reason or even A reason for McCain's defeat. You are making a straw man. Why? Because you have nothing!

Women voters voted for Obama over McCain? No shit Sherlock. A majority of Women are liberal. Palin was the vice presidential nomination. Saying that anyone voted for Barack over Palin in 2008 is like saying someone would vote for McCain over Biden. The comparisons don't make any logical sense.

All of your studies don't address the real reasons people were voting one way or another. If you take all factors that led to the decision people made in 2008, you would see that your polls are nearly pointless. For example, so exit polls showed people thought Palin didn't have the experience? Well that doesn't explain why anyone would vote for Obama then does it? Palin wasn't even running for president, and even Biden said that the presidency doesn't lend itself to on the job training. Are you calling the majority of voters stupid? Because based on what you are writing, you think they are. And you're even more stupid to think I wouldn't pick up on your non-sense.

What you and many others fail to see is that true intelligence does not lie in homework, but rather test scores. In other words, anyone can scour the internet and regurgitate a bunch of polls that say one thing or another, but it takes true intelligence to figure out whats really going on. Go back to school where the teachers will keep giving you A's for effort while you pump out those homework assignments. Leave the real problem solving to those that are smart enough to figure out what all this means.
You are so in awe of your level of intelligence. Too bad that you are the only one that believes you have any intelligence. To make this simple(so that you might be able to understand it) Obama was chosen by the voters as the candidate that had a better grasp on the issues and troubles that this country faced. McCain was seen as out of touch(couldn't remember how many houses he had) and his choice of Palin was the final straw. He chose someone he thought would appeal to his base and to women who might be upset that Hillary didn't receive the Democratic nomination. He had already stated that he wasn't knowledgeable when it came to the economy so he didn't help himself by choosing a running mate who knew even less than he.
 

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You are so in awe of your level of intelligence. Too bad that you are the only one that believes you have any intelligence. To make this simple(so that you might be able to understand it) Obama was chosen by the voters as the candidate that had a better grasp on the issues and troubles that this country faced. McCain was seen as out of touch(couldn't remember how many houses he had) and his choice of Palin was the final straw. He chose someone he thought would appeal to his base and to women who might be upset that Hillary didn't receive the Democratic nomination. He had already stated that he wasn't knowledgeable when it came to the economy so he didn't help himself by choosing a running mate who knew even less than he.

Ditto (or that word only for Rush Limbaugh fans?)
 

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What you and many others fail to see is that true intelligence does not lie in homework, but rather test scores. In other words, anyone can scour the internet and regurgitate a bunch of polls that say one thing or another, but it takes true intelligence to figure out whats really going on. Go back to school where the teachers will keep giving you A's for effort while you pump out those homework assignments. Leave the real problem solving to those that are smart enough to figure out what all this means.
Funny you say that... I'm one of those people who NEVER did his homework, but would ace the tests and wind up with a B in the class. It actually was problematic when I got to the 2nd and 3rd year of college and didn't have any study skills. I was into study groups for a while, because then I could basically be directed by what others were doing. lol
 

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"The" reason..."A" reason, who cares? I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth if you listen to my point.
Plenty of people "care", regardless of their political stripes - newspeople, future candidates, campaign managers, political analysts wonks and junkies - even plenty of ordinary people with half a brain. People like you don't care because it's not the result you want, so you deliberately ignore reality. Understanding what happened in the past helps one plan and prepare for the future. Dismissing the truth is just plain foolish, fool.

The difference between saying "The" reason and "A" reason - among "many" - is hugely significant. If you don't understand this, you're a moron. If you're not "trying to put words in [my] mouth", then you are either too dumb to comprehend simple English, or you are dishonest, or both. I think both. I got your "point", and I've completely discredited it with evidence. For the third time:
. . . As I said,"She was a major factor in the McCain defeat", not the reason. Jeeshus Khryst, you even bolded that line in my quote, and you still got it wrong. You're correct that she initially energized the right-wing base of the party, but in the end to negligible effect. There were many reasons McCain lost, prominent among them was turning off voters in the center where the real battleground is, and women voters in particular. Palin was a major factor in both. In the end, voters questioned McCain's judgment in selecting Palin, another factor in the defeat of the ticket. . . Two days before Election Day, CNN released a national survey showing that Palin was a two-point drag on the GOP ticket overall. A New York Times survey reached a similar conclusion. “The end effect [of Palin running] was to make it impossible for McCain to win,” . . .
My point is that she was the OPPOSITE of a negative impact. She wasn't THE reason or even A reason for McCain's defeat. You are making a straw man. Why? Because you have nothing!
I have plenty, and I gave you plenty of independent objective data to back it up - a fraction of what's available, but way more than enough to support my position. If you read the articles, you would discover that at the end of the day, she pushed voters away at the center. She didn't even provide significant bounce in voter turnout from the right-wing base as expected, which is central to your 'point'. As usual, you choose to ignore reality in favor of seeing things the way you want them to be. At the same time, you never provide a shred of data or independent analysis to back up any of your own simplistic ignorant views, as is the case here and elsewhere throughout this forum. Why? Because you can't. You just talk out of your ass. And you say I have nothing. Do you know what irony is?

Women voters voted for Obama over McCain? No shit Sherlock. A majority of Women are liberal. Palin was the vice presidential nomination. Saying that anyone voted for Barack over Palin in 2008 is like saying someone would vote for McCain over Biden. The comparisons don't make any logical sense.
I didn't make that comparison. I explained why she was a major drag on the ticket on election day, incidentally to a greater degree than most VP candidates, arguably more than any in modern history, and I backed it up with solid evidence. Stop trying to deflect by debating points I never made. Now where's that Strawman exactly?

Also, please show us evidence for your statement that "a majority of Women are liberal". Let's define our terms first. Just because someone is ever so slightly left of you, say Lindsay Graham or Olympia Snowe for examples, does not qualify them as 'liberal', any more than Obama is a 'Communist', despite what you and your teabagging friends say.

All of your studies don't address the real reasons people were voting one way or another.
That's precisely what they do. That was kinda the whole point.

If you take all factors that led to the decision people made in 2008, you would see that your polls are nearly pointless.
They are a good barometer of public opinion and attitudes, depending on the sampling methods of course. A single poll is not necessarily something to hang your hat on, but when a preponderance of evidence all points to the same result, it's a strong indication there's something going on behind the numbers, and intelligent people tend to take notice.

For example, so exit polls showed people thought Palin didn't have the experience? Well that doesn't explain why anyone would vote for Obama then does it? Palin wasn't even running for president, and even Biden said that the presidency doesn't lend itself to on the job training. Are you calling the majority of voters stupid? Because based on what you are writing, you think they are.
I do think the majority of voters are 'stupid', in the sense they are uneducated, grossly ill-informed and/or misinformed. You could be the poster boy for that. A sizeable minority, like you, who think they are informed, are only 'informed' by opinions and propaganda that support their preconceived point of view. Meanwhile, you stubbornly ignore and reject anything that challenges that view. This is typical of that "authoritarian mindset" I keep telling you about. You really should look into it, but I know you won't. It's a Catch-22, ain't it? In the unlikely event you ever decide to expand your mind beyond your extremely limited world view, you can start here.

And you're even more stupid to think I wouldn't pick up on your non-sense.
Calling me stupid doesn't help your case ironically. Please continue to insult my intelligence if you like. I've certainly called yours into question. We'll let the readers decide.

What you and many others fail to see is that true intelligence does not lie in homework, but rather test scores.
Hmm . . . straight out of the old "No Child Left Behind" handbook, eh? Please explain how one learns anything of value or significance without study - without doing the requisite homework in other words.

In other words, anyone can scour the internet and regurgitate a bunch of polls that say one thing or another, but it takes true intelligence to figure out whats really going on.
In other words, what you think is going on, or what you want to be going on, ignoring all evidence to the contrary. I don't have to "scour the internet" to come up with factual information. I just type in a simple search query and thousands of results pop up instantly to support what I generally already knew. Perhaps you're frustrated, because you can't find anything to support your positions except Faux News and right-wing blogs?

Go back to school where the teachers will keep giving you A's for effort while you pump out those homework assignments.
I do have a decent formal education, and I periodically return to 'school' as I become interested in new fields of knowledge. I've always done well there, twice magna cum laude as a matter of fact, thanks to good native intelligence and being raised in a home where education was valued. More significantly, I have the natural curiousity to extend my study beyond the curricula and the assigned 'homework'. I've gotten almost exclusively "A's" for whatever that's worth, but I don't think I ever got one for "effort". More importantly, I go to 'school' in my everyday life and educate myself on all sorts of things, erudite to mundane - including honestly considering opposing points of view - in a neverending quest to learn new things and understand the world I live in. One thing I may never understand is the hostility and resentment some people display towards intelligence and education.

Leave the real problem solving to those that are smart enough to figure out what all this means.
You mean simplistic anti-intellectual authoritarian nimrods like yourself and Sister Sarah?
or Dubyah?? :laughing:

Once again, you just prove you don't have a fukin clue, and you're just talking out of your ass. I don't even know why I bother to respond.

BTW, two [edit: now three] days later we're still waiting for you to respond to this out-of-ass talking. You're a joke.
Of course we know what you'll do. Once you've been challenged to provide evidence to back up your position, once your 'points' have been discredited and you've been shown to be an idiot - yet again - you will evade, deflect and dissemble until you abandon this thread and pop in another one to spout the same ignorant nonsense. Good god, you're boring! and so predictable.

p.s. Have you ever noticed my signature quotes?
 
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I guess I'm talking to a wall then? Yeah, um, when did I say I wanted Hillary to win the nom? What part of operation chaos did you miss?

That's what Operation Chaos was all about.
In late February 2008, Limbaugh announced "Operation Chaos," a political call to action with the initial plan to have voters of the Republican Party temporarily cross over to vote in the Democratic primary and vote for Hillary Clinton, who at the time was in the midst of losing eleven straight primary contests to Barack Obama.

I guess you end up being a history revisionist when you aren't a part of the history we are referring to.

History revisionism is a specialty of the party you let sodomize you.

Seriously what part of the description of Operation Chaos did you not understand? Or did you assume that I was misrepresenting it? Does anyone else here not know what Operation Chaos was or that we wanted Hillary nominated over Obama? WTF?

C'mon son... who the fuck you think you're trying to fool with that bullshit?

Everyone knows that rabidly foaming Republicans like you hate a Clinton more than they hate a black man on welfare. That's why this particular portion of "Operation Chaos" started in the midst of Clinton losing eleven primaries in a row to Obama. Oh sure, there's the convenient scapegoat of the early primaries in New Hampshire and South Carolina to try and push John McCain over Fred Thompson, but deep down an overzealous white-winger (errr, I mean right-ringer... oh, those damned Freudian slips) would rather see Clinton and Obama dead than in the White House. Nobody on your small portion of the field is smart enough to pull off something as clever as pretending to support Clinton without some kind of underlaying motive that goes completely against your real actions. Plus, we are talking about a group of people who thought associating with folks that called themselves "Teabaggers" would be visualized as revolutionists and not a bunch of absent minded, pseudo-perverts who wouldn't know if they had a pair of balls on their forehead unless Sarah Palin removed her strap-on.

Limbaugh's motives are paper thin... which is ironically the only thing that is remotely thin in his repertoire. And you're too thick headed to even notice.

Freakin WALL. I guess "Vinyl" in Vinylboy refers to the type of wallpaper.

And stratedude refers to.............
Well, nothing worth wasting any ASCII over I'm sure. There is only a 10,000 character limit per post and once I'm on a roll, it's hard to stop. :rolleyes:
 
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