Sarah Palin is now officially the leading 2012 Presidential Candidate!

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  1. atomicTIGER

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    Isn't that a sad state of affairs for the Repubs! At least it gives her time to take some college classes on they way the world and governments operate. But honestly I don't know if she has enough time--she's starting from about ZERO. :smile:
     
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    I think that is great news!
    that means we will have four more years of democratic rule.
     
  3. Industrialsize

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    Sarah Palin, the gift(to the dems) that KEEPS on giving!...you betcha!
     
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    The US public has a VERY short memory. If things aren't much better by 2010, things will start shifting right back to the Republicans, especially since the Dems have near free reign now.
     
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    aT,

    In the US political landcape, 2012 is science fiction.
     
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    Amen, boys.
     
  7. Northland

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    I think you'd better look back in time. Several years ago, Al Gore gave a rather poor presentation when he would speak-of course he had some intelligence which helped; however, he still came off badly. A few short years later, he emerged from the shadows, a talented speaker, able to connect with people and get ideas across.

    Add to this, there is a 3 year window of time (she needs to be in position by the end of 2011) for Palin to bone up on all the important things. For example, she may soon learn that she can also see Canada from her home, or that the moose she killed and gutted was actually Ted Stevens dressed in a costume to avoid being captured and sent to jail. A lot can happen in the next few years.

    Remember when George W.Bush couldn't even say Al Qaeda? Or when Bill Clinton hadn't learned to shake his finger in a proper accusatory manner, leaving people to doubt him? Or when Raymond Burr looked like he was destined to bit parts in Japanese movies about monsters? The thing is, people change. Not only do the people we dislike change, the perception of them changes as well. The same is also true on the perception of those we like-as they disappoint, we begin looking elsewhere.

    And maybe the Republicans are only floating the Palin name around to get a reaction and are secretly recruiting Haley Barbour or Saxby Chambliss.

    Keep in mind, Obama is in one of the worst places possible-if he does not produce huge results, he will be viewed as a failure at worst and as a Gerald Ford type at best. Not an enviable spot to be in-but one which the Republicans are loving. Add to this the Democratic majority in both houses and those already clammoring about what they want Obama to put together for them-imagine their horror when they find he cannot do everything and that even the things he can do will take time for passage and even more time for the results to be reaped.

    Back in 1996 Bill Clinton signed a Welfare Reform Bill. The results of that had just begun to show themselves before the economy took its recent nose-dive. As the hard times continue and the rules of The Welfare Reform Bill play out, more and more of those who voted Democrat and supported Obama will remember the hardships put into place by the well intentioned Democratic leaders. This will result in poor voter turnout by registered Dems in 2012, causing a shift on the Presidential front to the Republicans. Prior to that, if things do not change radically to a positive side within the next year or so, the 2010 elections will cost the Dems some of the seats which they just won and the Republicans will start their move back towards control.

    Things are just getting started...
     
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    Hahaha, lucky bastard :biggrin1:
     
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    This isn't much of a surprise given the direction of the party (off the cliff). I hope they do pick her. She's a joke to every one but the wacko xenophobic theocrats that increasingly are the only one's left in the party.
    G.O.P.’s long transformation into the party of the unreasonable right, a haven for racists and reactionaries, seems likely to accelerate as a result of the impending defeat.This will pose a dilemma for moderate conservatives. Many of them spent the Bush years in denial, closing their eyes to the administration’s dishonesty and contempt for the rule of law. Some of them have tried to maintain that denial through this year’s election season, even as the McCain-Palin campaign’s tactics have grown ever uglier. But one of these days they’re going to have to realize that the G.O.P. has become the party of intolerance.

    The Republican Rump


     
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    But one of these days they’re going to have to realize that the G.O.P. has become the party of intolerance.

    I do hope the writer stepped out of their glass house when they wrote that.
     
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    oh good freaking grief. Palin represents the worst of old-school social conservatism.

    She literally gets her appeal from the social cons by exploiting guns, gays and god. If you saw her on the stump a few months ago drawing those massive redneck crowds (note: sorry to all GOOD rednecks out there!) -- she exploits abortion fears, she exploits gay marriage fears, creationism in public schools... the whole fucking bag from the evangelical playbook.

    This style of politics is OVER. We need to turn the page. The country has SERIOUS economic issues (which Palin seems to know next to zilch about) and confronting a recession/depression by ratcheting up the "family values" stuff is totally nuts.
     
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    I am sick of people underestimating her and assuming she is stupid because she used to be a beauty queen. She campaigned with Saxby Chambliss and just helped him win 60% of the vote. She was drawing crowds comparable to Obama during the election season. She didn't like the way her state was being run, so she went from being a PTA member to running for mayor. After that and overseeing foreign oil, she overturned the imcumbent Republican governer to get elected. She worked her way up (unlike Hillary Clinton riding her husband's coattails for years), earned everything she has, and is currently the most popular Governer in America with an 84% approval rating in Alaska, higher then any other governer anywhere else. And frankly, I think she whooped Joe Biden's ass during the VP debate, but mainstream television media is far too biased to give her some credit. They are more interested in trying to slander her any chance they get because secretly, deep down, they (and most democrats) fear her. To call her stupid is true sexism. It's the assumption that a pretty lady would be too stupid to govern anything, even though she is clearly popular and successful in Alaska. Funny that the Democrat party would be so venemous towards her despite everything she has achieved as a woman. The democrat party is supposedly the party of tolerance and feminism, but it seems more to me like they are the party of spending, hypocrisy, and whining.

    And sorry, but with Obama and the democrats continuing to bail businesses out and spend our country and currency in oblivion, of course things won't be better in 2010, and just about ANY Repub nominee will kick his ass in 2012. He may have a 1 billion dollar reelection campaign in the works, but he just won't be able to sweet talk his way out of the disaster that's coming our way.

    You guys think umemployment and the economy is bad right now at 6.7%? Give it two more years of Obama's trickle-up poverty socialist schemes, raising taxes, and reckless spending and youll see real hardship. Hopefully people wise up, stop letting charismatic demogogs buy their vote, and boot these clowns out of power in 2010 and 2012 respectively. This country will hardly be able to survive 4 years of Obama, let alone 8.
     
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    The Democratic Primary exposed that for what it is: B.S.

    I don't really agree with anything else much. It's too quick to judge Obama since it looks like he's going to be taking back much of what got him elected (for better or worse), but you can't judge a President by what they got elected on. I do think he has a particularly short leash, however.
     
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    Of course he is on a short leash, he is an invented candidate with no experience whatsoever. He is at the whims of his staff, advisors, backers, and special interest groups that help him. His lack of experience explains why approx 75% of everyone he hired on to his administration are ex Clinton people. He didn't know anyone else. Obama may not be quick on raising taxes, but he supports the continuing bail outs and he supports a 500 billion stimulus package that will do nothing more then put us further in debt and weaken our currency. Did that last stimulus package do anything?? N. O. Printing more money and throwing it around is not the solution, it's the problem, and most of the democrats know nothing about the economy because they are not business owners and they are not normal people. They know nothing about living a normal life, they are selfish, narcisist windbags who only care about power and live far to privilaged a lifestyle to have a grounded view on anything.

    So, with Obama wrong and not even in office yet, it's a pretty bad sign. Welcome to 4 years of bailouts, stimulus packages, and higher taxes galore.
     
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    Sarah Palin is soooo late 2008. My money is on Babe Buchanan, the softer more gentle form of Pat. Plus, Babe looks like Madame without Waylin.
     
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    What kind of nonsense! *Officially*? By which *official*?

    Sure, a random poll or two will place her high. That's because Americans have a 30-second attention span and when asked a question about posible Republicans for 2012 can only remember the name of the person last hyped in the news.

    She will crumble and fail and be a distant memory in 2012.
     
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    Man, 2012 is gonna be HILARIOUS!
     
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    Well, according to the Mayan calendar in 2012 the world ends, so everything is pretty much up for grabs. I just hope I get to see Machu Pichu once again before then. (I'm old. Very old. I'm melting along with the Polar ice caps!)
     
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    A misconception. It's the end of the cycle, not the end of the world. They believed the end of this cycle would lead to a significant change... There's a bunch of crap about 2012 though, so who knows. :confused:

    I'm loaded up on canned goods anyway. :)
     
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    Personally, I prefer Mitt Romney myself. With these economic problems going on, we need a leader with privatized experience that knows something about the economy. Even though I am not religious myself, I can see that it was religious prejudice that kept him from getting the nomination in 2008. Unless people stop judging others based on their religious beliefs, which is totally seperate from politics, i fear he may never get elected.

    The only one who may be able to beat Obama in 2012 is Palin. He won't be able to play the race card and rely on historic firsts to get elected when put up against the first potential woman president...
     
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