SAS & 2 RAF Hercules Rescue 150 Brits fom Libyan Desert

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  1. Jason

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    This appears to have been a very well executed action. Details are thin - it seems that the SAS infiltrated overland, secured the airstrip, and the RAF landed two Hercules. The mission became necessary because the desert camp was surrounded by loyalists to Gaddafi. When are they going to make the film?

    The UK has therefore had a warship HMS Cumberland to Benghazi, two RAF planes deep into the desert, and now it seems HMS Cumberland is going back again, and HMS York is in the vicinity also.

    It will be interesting to see how this story plays in the Arab world.

    It will also be interesting to see how it plays in the UK. Cameron and Hague have had a rough ride this week - but this surely counts as a triumph.

    There is an EU dimension in that the EU has seemed redundant in this matter. Whether or not this is really the case I suspect it is going to play in some of the UK papers.
     
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    WOW! never fails to amaze me how quickly Tory Central Office(TCO) media department spin doctors are quick to comment on everything the ConDems, well mainly the Conservative part at least, and especially 'Call me Dave' Cameron, do.
    I read before last years General Election TCO was going to be expanding it's online media presence in all forms to use the new technologies to promote its actions, including on social network sites like Facebook, Twitter etc. I never expected it to be using every online social network site to 'sell' and 'spin' itself though. Have you infiltrated all gender and sexual persuasion sites? Seems money can be found, mystically out of the ether, to spout government propaganda whilst the rest of the UK is having 'savage' cuts imposed upon it that affect the weakest and most desperate in sociey here, many of which only start from April this year.
    Maybe we can and should compare our democracy to those just like current/former dictatorship states we criticise like Egypt and currently Libya to indoctrinate their people, or try to, to sell the government line and how great it (supposedly) is. You just gotta love rank hypocrisy and self sanctimoniousness (if such a word exists? haha - maybe I created a new word.)
    I wonder what I can find out using the Freedom of Information Act about TCO media department and to use one of the many buzzwords of the current coalition government with it's 'transparency'. I am intrigued to see how welcoming and encompassing Camerons 'Big Society' and the new openness actually is. Thanks, at least I have a new task to investigate at my leisure, when I get bored. I have time after all now that we in UK know the date of the next FIXED election. We have had fixed term elections imposed on the UK populus after all - another ConDem action and implemeted almost immediately by the Cleggmoron coalition. 'Power is everything' has never been truer and aplies to all governments whether democratic or autocratic.
    I have held back on commenting on many Politics threads, as i love reading them, because I always like to see how things develop by observing what actually happens and after the dust has settled to get a true reflection on events. But I'm sick of reading comment here from TCO which seems to have infitrated even here with its immediate 24/7 news biased opinion about everything. Read any political thread since April last year to see what I mean.
    Let's see how much effort has to be put in after April 1st 2011 too. Someone is going to be extra busy defending and spinning the government line. You might as well be working for any of the next-in-line-due-to-fall Middle East autocrats, or even Robert Mugabe, for a job. You'd be welcome with open arms!!! Propagandonists like you are always in demand whilst they are free to spout the party line of course. And hopefully, just maybe, you will be needing to seek new employment too when the UK starts revolting too, even more than has happened over recent months, about what shit is about to hit its proverbial fan. I wonder how many more u-turns will be performed by this wondrous ConDem coalition government in the coming months and year ahead. April and May (Local Elections) will be interesting indeed. Oh, next month (March) should be too with the Budget speech. Just my tuppence worth.
    Spin on though!!!! The wondrous leader and government is going to need lots of your help spewing his bullshit throughout the media more and more. After all it's not their fault. It's what they inherited. YAWN.
    I'm sure you will comment in response too. Well in fact I expect it. This UK government will not allow dissent or free speech to go unremarked on after all. I must be brow beaten and kept down and follow the 'The Big (Brother) Society' after all and know my place in Tory-land. After all, we can trust Cleggmoron with everything they say and do. Right? Or is it all just airbrushed over or aesthetically packaged for this new media world by faceless, anonymous hacks paid to 'sell' their political party over the internet 24/7 such as yourself? Now, I'm just off on an arms selling trip. Have a pleasant day :)
     
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    Can't speak to all of that domestic shit, but the operation seemed nicely run. Sometimes you have to say fuck the politics and just be happy when innocent people get a break, and the news story has a happy ending as opposed to a bunch of corpses.

    As a side note most people in the military have no choice in the politics of their government and just do their job. They should be congratulated when they do it well.
     
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    The bbc news noted that they got out 150 people but only 50 of them are british. Also remarked on the extraordinary amount of detail of this appearing in newspapers, suggesting they had all been well briefed. The BBC also suggest another 3 or 400 brits remain in Libya. Given that government people were already talking about sending in the SAS a couple of days ago, I cant think they believed this a high risk operation. Or they reckoned the Gadaffi people were too busy to listen to BBC news. I would hope that the government response to this has been muted because of concen over the remaining british hostages, and they have it in mind to do rather more of a practical nature to help libyans if the fighting increases. Presumably we will see some sort of ground war between the free and non free halves of the country. The BBC news aside from saying their reporters in tripoli instantly attrected a rent a crowd group of pro-gadaffi's also commented on a shortage of food in the city.

    I agree, interesting to see what arabs have to say, but then the question must be, which arabs?

    Gorbachev was also on the news today, apparently suggesting to the brits they ought to get out of Afghanistan, just as they advised him when the situation was reversed. He is right, of course. This week people were complaining there is no reserve of military forces for events such as Libya. Well, no, they have all been sent off to these other military adventures already. In afghanistan we help people who do not want our help against a similar number who want us dead. In libya we stand by at a point all help would be welcome. Though naturally, only short term help. Everyone hates an occupying army.
     
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    Lol, "Gaddafi forces", are actually the forces of the state even now, so I'm, not even sure such actions are legal (violation of airspace, deployment of military in sovereign territory,etc) without a mandate - but I hope that the oil companies stumped up for the cost - you get spectacular money for working in oil in Africa. I'm surprised that they didn't just send in a private force.

    Whatever regime prevails, they can always say that the sites were abandonded. Expect bribery of more Libyans to ensue in order to ensure the safe return of assets & rights.
     
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    apparently Hilary clinton has offered 'any kind of assistance' to anti gaddafi forces. The US is not normally bothered by details like international rules, mostly because no one is likely to do anything about it. I presume we are awaiting orders.
     
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    Brit total now revised down to 20. It's looking more like a desperate publicity attempt to counteract allegations of incompetance.
     
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    Oh dear, poor Mr Cameron. all that money on defence and still cant do something which the nation actually wants done. Didnt I hear that the last british noteable success was an intervention where the officer commanding disobeyed his orders not to get involved? (forget which country it was)
     
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    News services are reporting that a group of elite SAS commandos have been captured by rebel forces in Benghazi. It is said they were escorting a British diplomat seeking to make contact with the Libyan opposition.

    Sky News

    "Opponents of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi's fear he could use any evidence of western military interference to rally patriotic support for his regime." This would be my fear as well.
     
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    well lets hope there are some more out there being rather more effectual.
     
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