SAT scores: 25 years of effort and nothing to show

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Dawwwwwwwwwwww, keep voting Democrat... while the Teddy Kennedys, Nancy Pelosis, and Hillary Clintons proclaim that the boogeyman whitey racists Republican keep everyone down.... they keep throwing money and rhetoric whilst lambasting community and values.. under the guise of "only WE can help you" and the 'we are with your plight' as they send their own children off to Harvard, Wellseley and Stanford.

Wait... Asians are minorities???? Blasted their family values and strong ethics... how un-Democrat can you be? Indians, Chinese, Vietnamese, Whitey, Japanese...
 

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Why don't they just ban his ass?
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bullshit.. given how many ppl here have had freefall calling any/every conservative/Libertarian/Conservative.. and now anti-Obamabot a racist... pollycock.

if ANYTHING I've found the most ardent RACISTS on LPSG to be liberal/Dem/Obamabots pulling the race card out at-will.

perhaps the OP should of created the thread as a problem that WE ALL NEED TO SOLVE.. blah blah blah.. vs. a general observation. Most Mongoloids (I said it, fuck off,... as lately I'm not sure how or where you want me to say Asian/Oriental/East Asian) and Indians/Pakistanis I know eat this shit up. They reap the American capitalistic system that Obamabots now scorn. They also outperform Caucasians across the board quite often. As a Caucasian, good for them. Raise the bar, and fuck the loathesomeness that we lambast yet embrace. It's about culture, not race... get over it libtards.

given this thread... using RACISM as a unjustified/ad-hoc defensive measure in a thread is just as sanctimonious as someone coming here and throwing out some stereotypical anti-race card... and frankly is bullshit. ... the premonition and assumption in these parts that ppl here are free to throw that out is getting beyond tiresome, and the mods seem to frankly ignore it (if not support, given the current selection)...

A racist proclamation is just as guilty as an offensive at-will action. Think McCarthy'ism on LPSG.

I'm sure Industrialsize and a few others as a mod will propose a banning for me... so be it. Given my 6 years on this board...can say I've seen worse.
 
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Of course you just makes excuses. 30 points would be attributable to culture. 160 is a whole other thing.
How so? It seems to me that "culture" could account for either amount.

There are probably ways the info could be extracted from the data, though nowadays I doubt that anyone really wants to know.
 

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bullshit.. given how many ppl here have had freefall calling any/every conservative/Libertarian/Conservative.. and now anti-Obamabot a racist... pollycock.

if ANYTHING I've found the most ardent RACISTS on LPSG to be liberal/Dem/Obamabots pulling the race card out at-will.

perhaps the OP should of created the thread as a problem that WE ALL NEED TO SOLVE.. blah blah blah.. vs. a general observation. Most Mongoloids (I said it, fuck off,... as lately I'm not sure how or where you want me to say Asian/Oriental/East Asian) and Indians/Pakistanis I know eat this shit up. They reap the American capitalistic system that Obamabots now scorn. They also outperform Caucasians across the board quite often. As a Caucasian, good for them. Raise the bar, and fuck the loathesomeness that we lambast yet embrace. It's about culture, not race... get over it libtards.

given this thread... using RACISM as a unjustified/ad-hoc defensive measure in a thread is just as sanctimonious as someone coming here and throwing out some stereotypical anti-race card... and frankly is bullshit. ... the premonition and assumption in these parts that ppl here are free to throw that out is getting beyond tiresome, and the mods seem to frankly ignore it (if not support, given the current selection)...

A racist proclamation is just as guilty as an offensive at-will action. Think McCarthy'ism on LPSG.

I'm sure Industrialsize and a few others as a mod will propose a banning for me... so be it. Given my 6 years on this board...can say I've seen worse.

It doesn't offend me that Asians are smarter than white people. I imagine it may offend some, though. Facts are facts. Reality is reality. I think it's culturally-driven rather than genetic, of course.

All this said, I don't know the real intention of this thread's author. Perhaps he just likes to debate, or perhaps we wants to offend some black people he doesn't like on here. Who knows? I don't know him very well to say anything for sure. But Vinylboy was hurt and that bothered me a little. I try to put myself in other people's shoes.

A foreigner told me not long ago that we Americans CANNOT talk sensibly about race without becoming irrational, volatile and defensive. It's true. I avoid these threads for this very reason. It's no one's fault but our culture's.

We Americans also cannot discuss children being around their naked parents without getting all funny. There was a thread on here about that a year ago and it got closed, just as there was one about boys getting turned on by being sexually approved by their fathers. We immediately think pedophilia and cannot see it in a neutral way. It's all very, very cultural; never underplay it.
 
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The post at the beginning of this thread is one of the most disgusting and distressing that I've read thus far (and let's face it there have been some clangers).
Do the terms of service of this site not apply to this section to stop blatant racism like this being spewed forth?

Agreed. Breathtaking in it's audacity isn't it?
 

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Dawwwwwwwwwwww, keep voting Democrat... while the Teddy Kennedys, Nancy Pelosis, and Hillary Clintons proclaim that the boogeyman whitey racists Republican keep everyone down.... they keep throwing money and rhetoric whilst lambasting community and values.. under the guise of "only WE can help you" and the 'we are with your plight' as they send their own children off to Harvard, Wellseley and Stanford.

Wait... Asians are minorities???? Blasted their family values and strong ethics... how un-Democrat can you be? Indians, Chinese, Vietnamese, Whitey, Japanese...

No, shit for brains.
People like me don't blame Republicans for the problems in our Nation. We blame ignorant people like YOU who act as if you're above it all and neutral, yet expose your own biases with every single political post you make. This has nothing to do with skin color or political affiliation, as much as you like to racially bait every post you make on Political threads. This is all about individuality, and there's no label you can hide behind to validate your true intentions.

You're almost as bad as the OP when it comes to these topics. Your need to bastardize both Dems and Repubs in some twisted way to bring on a "third party" is absolute bullshit.
 

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If you want to know why there is such a gap between the races in standardized tests, I advise you to read Jonathan Kozol....it all comes down to funding...the best teachers teach in suburban (white) areas...the funding for AP classes and strong curriculum and updated texts - it just lags behind in the inner city. I should know because I was a NYC school teacher.... those who claim there's a racial reason for any of this are just race baiting provocateurs.
 

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It's always have, and it will always be social class warfare. The rich vs. the poor. People with money are able to create better long term opportunities for themselves and their future generations. Those that have to struggle to maintain the basics are forced to look for a means to survival differently. Which is why they look to solutions that promise the quick dollar, and in many instances at the sacrifice of higher learning. This should be easy for anyone to understand. Because how can someone be told to stay in school, get good grades, go to college (and perhaps grad school) to become a lawyer or a doctor which can take at average up to 20 years of ones life to fulfill when in one month you and your whole family could be on the street?

Claiming that its about race or political affiliation is absolute bullshit.
 

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There is indeed a rich/poor divide here. That does contribute to lower test scores. But culture does, too. Look at Native Americans. They don't learn because they're raised not to. It's just the opposite with Asians in this country. Genetics is not really the issue here.
 

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It's always have, and it will always be social class warfare. The rich vs. the poor. People with money are able to create better long term opportunities for themselves and their future generations. Those that have to struggle to maintain the basics are forced to look for a means to survival differently. Which is why they look to solutions that promise the quick dollar, and in many instances at the sacrifice of higher learning. This should be easy for anyone to understand. Because how can someone be told to stay in school, get good grades, go to college (and perhaps grad school) to become a lawyer or a doctor which can take at average up to 20 years of ones life to fulfill when in one month you and your whole family could be on the street?

Claiming that its about race or political affiliation is absolute bullshit.

No its not bullshit. The kids that take the SAT are preselected as college bound. The bottom of the barrel for all ethnic groups don't take this test. And most people in America are not rich. Most are middle class. I doubt the black gang bangers or Vietnamese gangers or white trash are taking the SAT. You act like every black kid is mired in poverty and every white kid is a country clubber, which is distinctly not so.

40-50 points can maybe be attributed as one poster said to harder work. 160? Get real. This test measures the top of the class. And the difference remains profound.

Add another disturbing trend, that of 80% of black degrees going to black females and how do we reconcile that? Thats insanely disproportionate but is is also occurring in white households too.

And these are 1000's and 1000's of test results. It all moves to the mean. And there is still a huge gap. And real inflation adjusted dollars have been going up for education. Who was the idiot poster here that wanted to throw more money at this problem? Other people's money is always the answer for liberals.

With you liberals, ostriches with heads in the sand, only want to say its a lack of money. If money were the issue, we would have seen some serious improvement. We have not.

I know what I post is distasteful but its has yet to shown to be wrong. Thats the sad thing.
 

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I know it has to be done, make the effort, but these are profoundly disturbing and speak to the likely genetically cognitive differences amongst the races.

Here is where you show your ignorance. Genetics has nothing to do with it. It is much more culture and upbringing.

typical ignorant racist Shit. And by the way, the fact that you don't know this puts you in the dumber group of whites. You know, the ones that think they are smart, because they are white, but aren't.

Why is that racists are always the stupid white people?

How do you know there is not a genetic component to a 160 point differential?
Because intelligence and cognitive abilities are far too complex to be ruled by one gene, or even the .0001% genetic difference between blacks and whites.

Of course you just makes excuses. 30 points would be attributable to culture. 160 is a whole other thing.

!? How the hell do you think you can so easily quantify such things. nature vs Nurture has been going on for decades. You suddenly have the formula?

:lol:

Also, I would love to see wigger SAT scores, (if they even exist). Something tells me they are loooow. It's not genetics, its the value on education.
 
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There is indeed a rich/poor divide here. That does contribute to lower test scores. But culture does, too. Look at Native Americans. They don't learn because they're raised not to. It's just the opposite with Asians in this country. Genetics is not really the issue here.

And exactly how do you know this? How do you know there is not a genetic component to a 160 point differential?

Read this:SAT Coaching Found to Boost Scores -- Barely - WSJ.com

Taking concentrated study classes hardly raises test scores. 160 is too large a gap to rest simply on " I study harder."
 

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There is indeed a rich/poor divide here. That does contribute to lower test scores. But culture does, too. Look at Native Americans. They don't learn because they're raised not to. It's just the opposite with Asians in this country. Genetics is not really the issue here.

Agreed, bb. I see it the same here in lily white Clackamas County and it saddens me: Celebration and perpetuation of ignorance and academic underachievement. Its cultural and/or economic.

Only a bona fide racist would misinterpret that.
 

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Here is where you show your ignorance. Genetics has nothing to do with it. It is much more culture and upbringing.

How do you know this? You just say it. Prove it. Find me any cognitive test that shows equality.

I will here.

Education and race: the performance of minority students in affluent areas refutes the prevailing educational shibboleths. - Free Online Library

Test scores and grades for blacks in integrated urban neighborhoods aren't any better than those in predominantly minority ghetto areas. Some affluent suburbs did no better than nearby urban areas, and even at the best suburban schools blacks on average lagged behind their white classmates

>>>. But a bigger secret is that even the poorest Asians tended to get better grades -- if not test scores -- than more affluent whites. Asians from poorer suburbs consistently outscored Euro-Americans in nearby more affluent suburbs. For all the talk about the superiority of schools in Japan or Korea, Asian-Americans are also nearly two years ahead in math, just as far ahead of their classmates as students in their ancestral lands are, even when they go to the same schools that fail other American minorities.

In short, predominantly minority schools have low test scores because minorities have lower test scores regardless of the segregation factor, not the other way around. And American schools would match Asian schools if they were dominated by Asian students. Perhaps that chilling reality is the reason that every newspaper I have contacted has chosen to ignore these data. <<<


>>>The black suburb of Prince George's County is among the top 30 per cent of U.S. counties in average household income. The school district proudly claims that its black students perform as well as their "counterparts" throughout the state -- but that's only their black counterparts. Measured by Maryland's MSPAP
(Maryland School Performance Assessment Program) test, it ranks as 22 of 24 districts in the state.

It is widely accepted that test scores increase with family income. However, SAT breakdowns for 1995 show that even the most affluent blacks, from families with incomes over $70,000, have average scores of 426, lagging behind whites or Asians from families with incomes under $10,000. But Asians from families with incomes under $10,000 have average scores of 482, ranking them with whites from families making $40,000. And it is not just test scores. Oakland's poor school system highlighted its low 1.8 black GPA<<<

Now show me where I am wrong. I eliminated money and class. Comparing poor Asians and whites to rich, suburban blacks look at the results.

What the problem with this Vinylboy? No money or class to use as an answer.

I can't wait to see you fall all over your liberals selves to attack me and not my facts. I cannot wait. Of course the facts speak for themselves loud and clear.
 
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It's not THEIR WHITENESS that makes them dumb. You just made a racist comment, but you won't get called out on it.

What I mean is, whenever I meet a white racist, they are stupid ignorant trash... and not just on the subject of race. They have a complete lack of desire to learn about anything.

How do you know this? You just say it. Prove it. Find me any cognitive test that shows equality.
Read some studies about the genetic differences between the races. The inner organs are almost, if not identical. Race is based a very small amount of genes effecting the face, skull and skin.

But a bigger secret is that even the poorest Asians tended to get better grades -- if not test scores -- than more affluent whites.


money & affluence =/= culture. You fail.

really, wigger SAT scores... how do you think those would turn out? Really? It's the lack of emphasis on education, or the lack of desire to participate in a racist society. I mean, the black race has a huge slough of problems. You should read up on it sometime, instead of resorting to eugenics. Eugenics has also had many other junk sciences just like it, phrenology and physiognomy. Look them up. Same shit.
 
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And exactly how do you know this? How do you know there is not a genetic component to a 160 point differential?

Read this:SAT Coaching Found to Boost Scores -- Barely - WSJ.com

Taking concentrated study classes hardly raises test scores. 160 is too large a gap to rest simply on "I study harder."

There are intelligent people of every race, though.

Does racial genetics place a role? I don't think it plays a very big one, but I can't say for sure that is plays none at all. Some people are born dumb and some are born smart. I'ts hard to say that Asians are smarter overall than white people just because they're of Asian descent.
 
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What I mean is, whenever I meet a white racist, they are stupid ignorant trash... and not just on the subject of race. They have a complete lack of desire to learn about anything.

Thanks for explaining. Sorry.

Trust me, my little town is full of folks like that. I deal with awful rednecks every day of my life.
 

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Thanks for explaining. Sorry.

Trust me, my little town is full of folks like that. I deal with awful rednecks every day of my life.

I guess what I am saying, is its like whites are trying to join the smart white club, when in fact, they are still in the lower rungs of intelligence. It's pretty sad, but they resort to their whiteness to make themselves feel smarter. Sad truth is, most racists I know are not smart. They tend to have what I would assume to be IQ's below 100. And I'm not just saying because they are racists. I have had friends that I didn't even know were racist, but knew right away they weren't the brightest bulbs. Then, one new years eve... out comes the racist drivel.

Same with one of my exes. She had no intellectual curiosity. Now I find out she is racist, and it's like, "huh. figures, she wasn't too bright in the first place"

I mean, find me a group of people that never graduated highschool, and I would bet anything there is a much larger percentage of racists amongst them than people that graduated from college. Quite simply, racism is for, and a sign of, the stupid.
 

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This is funny, I went to a university with 30k students, considered the second most ethnically diverse campus in the entire country...and guess who the serious students were? That's right the blacks! It was the white and Asians that were the dumbasses and slackoffs. And sorry, trying to say Asians are smarter than whites is no different than the message the OP is trying to present with his drivel.

It's definitely cultural because those second generation Asians who are born here in the US...guess what, they are just as dumb as the rest of us.

Get over this stupid shit.

My gf is hispanic and currently attending an Ivy league school on full scholarship. She gets a lot of shit from racist whites, but surprisingly, she gets the most shit from fellow hispanics telling her she's just trying to be white, the white man's education isn't going to help her with anything, she should just get a job at a restaurant, etc etc.

Again, cultural.