Most people I know have very little intellectual curiosity. But I get your point.
The more "enlightened" one is, the less stock you take in gender, sexual orientation, religion, ethnic group, etc.
SAT scores: 25 years of effort and nothing to show
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Most people I know have very little intellectual curiosity. But I get your point.
The more "enlightened" one is, the less stock you take in gender, sexual orientation, religion, ethnic group, etc.
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My next door neighbors are a great example of this. The parents are high achieving Vietnamese emigrants. 2 of their 3 kids, though, are well on their way to entrenching themselves in all the trappings of the local common culture of indifference and indolence that certainly doesn't discriminate on the basis of race.
My wife is latina and encountered the same nonsense from her very parents and some siblings and other family/friends when she won a college scholarship through dogged work.
Yeah I'm sure the attitudes will change once she graduates, starts making money, then they will come with their hands out. They seem like the type heh. My gf's parents that is.
On an unrelated note, aren't Latinas fucking hot?!
Not to completely undo my anti-racist previous post, but I'm so glad I gave up on white women in lieu of Latinas. They actually ARE worth the effort, lol
On an unrelated note, aren't Latinas fucking hot?!
Not to completely undo my anti-racist previous post, but I'm so glad I gave up on white women in lieu of Latinas. They actually ARE worth the effort, lol
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In the years since, it has indeed made a difference. Some of those very siblings who once questioned her have, surprise, signed up for classes and earned degrees. Its unlikely they ever would have otherwise.
What a difference a positive example can make in the face of opposition.
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That's an incredibly ignorant statement there, sorry. There are many, MANY intelligent racists out there. Probably not overt racists like Uncle Cletis living in the trailer, but you get the idea.
If it was just a bunch of inbred hicks who were racist, racism wouldn't be the problem it is today.
Racism is present all the way from our trailer parks, barrios and ghettos to the top, to our government, banks, and boardrooms, even being built into the system itself.
It's not about intelligence, but about ignorance (not meant as an insult, but take it for what the definition of the word is), and mostly, IMO, nationalism. Racism and nationalism go hand in hand.
Just because they are in the government, banks or boardrooms, does not mean they have any kind of intellectual curiosity. And indeed, being from a trailer park does not mean you are dumb either.
I am just talking about base intelligence. I can tell right away when talking with someone their level of intelligence. I know a couple not too bright millionaires.
Many many?
How the hell can you know many brilliant skinheads? I call bullshit. I think you are thinking of some famous skinheads.
I see what you mean, too. You can be very bright and sadistically hateful. But, I think that very uneducated people tend to fall for racists movements. And the smart people know how to manipulate them.
- b.c.,
My understanding of the SAT test results is that there was a decrease in performance across the board for all groups except Asians. The results indicate many things (obvious and no so).
For one, you can't just start up an educational initiative, slap a fancy name on it (No Child Left Behind) and then proceed to do exactly that, by leaving them behind because you talk a lot of bullshit ("Dubya") but don't provide the necessary funding to make the program truly effective.
Secondly, students who start at a lower level than others generally will continue to perform at a lower level. In order to perform equally or better they'd have to overcome years worth of poor education, in poor schools, and in family situations that too often sends the wrong messages (or no message at all) about the importance of a good education.
And third, there is the cultural influences that Javyn referred to above.
There are black students (black males in particular) who are ashamed to let anyone know they are smart! In some kind of screwed up, counter culture gangbanger influenced mythos, minority students have come to equate being smart, caring about good grades, and making the effort to do one's best as some kind of "sellout" - trying to be something one isn't (white, in particular).
It's not that they're incapable. It's that too many of our minority youth have bought into that particular line of bullshit.
For one, you can't just start up an educational initiative, slap a fancy name on it (No Child Left Behind) and then proceed to do exactly that, by leaving them behind because you talk a lot of bullshit ("Dubya") but don't provide the necessary funding to make the program truly effective.
Secondly, students who start at a lower level than others generally will continue to perform at a lower level. In order to perform equally or better they'd have to overcome years worth of poor education, in poor schools, and in family situations that too often sends the wrong messages (or no message at all) about the importance of a good education.
And third, there is the cultural influences that Javyn referred to above.
There are black students (black males in particular) who are ashamed to let anyone know they are smart! In some kind of screwed up, counter culture gangbanger influenced mythos, minority students have come to equate being smart, caring about good grades, and making the effort to do one's best as some kind of "sellout" - trying to be something one isn't (white, in particular).
It's not that they're incapable. It's that too many of our minority youth have bought into that particular line of bullshit.
- b.c.,
No, the fear among Hispanic and Black youth (males in particular) (again, based perhaps in some mythos of cultural identity) seems to be the perception of trying to be "white"...not "asian"...not yet at any rate.
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Heh... why am I not surprised to hear you say that?
Bullshit. ANYONE can take the SAT regardless if you're "College Bound" or not. There's even a way for people who are under the age of 13 to take the test. This isn't something that you're "chosen" to do. When I took the test in 1991, every Senior in my school was encouraged to do it since many colleges use the test results in enrolling incoming Freshmen. But it still remained a choice. I could take the test again right now if I wanted to, but it wouldn't make any sense unless I was trying to go back to college.
And most "poor" people don't even make it to the middle class tax bracket. But of course, since you think in binary you immediately assumed my wording of "rich vs. poor" instantly meant those with all the money versus those with none. Can't say that I'm not surprised that your cognitive thinking abilities are this short sighted.
Your point?
Bullshit again. Don't apply your discriminating thoughts upon me. I don't think like you at all. Which is why I never even mentioned the concept of race when I talk "rich vs. poor" because the concept of poverty knows no color.
Well, more than a year ago when you introduced yourself to me as the resident bigot, I gave you more than valid reasons as to why this trend happens. Of course, in your need to hold onto your ignorance regarding the black male in America you ignored it and continued to spread your hateful word as if it was golden. You honestly believe that there's a superior race and that the only real reason anyone doesn't succeed is because they're "lazy". So I'm not going to repeat myself.
From the millions who take the test every year.
College Bound Seniors 2009
More than 1.5 million students (1,530,128) in the class of 2009 took the SAT, the most widely used and researched standardized college admission test. Of those, 40.0 percent were minority students. This is an increase from 38.0 percent in 2008 and 29.2 percent in 1999, reflecting the steady growth in SAT minority participation rates.
But of course, all you need is a fraction of the test scores in order to make such a bold statement about minorities, especially black people.
It all depends where the money goes. And clearly, it's not going in the right areas if one school can have all of the latest learning materials and the one next door is still working on computers with Windows '95. And by all means... if you don't want your money to go to Education (or preferably a black male so you can hold onto your twisted beliefs about their laziness and your self-appointed racial superiority) then don't pay your taxes. That way, your miserable pennies never get to them.
Even if money has been thrown at the problem, it apparent that it hasn't been allocated in the right areas to make any real difference. You have this ridiculous belief that all you have to do is give a sack of dollars to someone, with no detailed plan that targets the trouble areas in our Education system, and still expect miracles (ahem... No Child Left Behind).
All money and no path to success. You don't even need an SAT test to figure out that doesn't work.
What you post as your so-called evidence is intentionally left incomplete and distorted to not give someone the full story. Sargon20 already exposed this in a previous post, which further strengthens that argument. And if you're so sure that what you believe is true, then what's the fear you have with showing the entire story? Afraid that other people will notice and see the flaws in your so-called ironclad argument that you claim hasn't been proven wrong? All anyone has to do is read and they can look right through your bullshit.
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Heh... why am I not surprised to hear you say that?
Bullshit. ANYONE can take the SAT regardless if you're "College Bound" or not. There's even a way for people who are under the age of 13 to take the test. This isn't something that you're "chosen" to do. When I took the test in 1991, every Senior in my school was encouraged to do it since many colleges use the test results in enrolling incoming Freshmen. But it still remained a choice. I could take the test again right now if I wanted to, but it wouldn't make any sense unless I was trying to go back to college.
And most "poor" people don't even make it to the middle class tax bracket. But of course, since you think in binary you immediately assumed my wording of "rich vs. poor" instantly meant those with all the money versus those with none. Can't say that I'm not surprised that your cognitive thinking abilities are this short sighted.
Your point?
Bullshit again. Don't apply your discriminating thoughts upon me. I don't think like you at all. Which is why I never even mentioned the concept of race when I talk "rich vs. poor" because the concept of poverty knows no color.
Well, more than a year ago when you introduced yourself to me as the resident bigot, I gave you more than valid reasons as to why this trend happens. Of course, in your need to hold onto your ignorance regarding the black male in America you ignored it and continued to spread your hateful word as if it was golden. You honestly believe that there's a superior race and that the only real reason anyone doesn't succeed is because they're "lazy". So I'm not going to repeat myself.
From the millions who take the test every year.
College Bound Seniors 2009
More than 1.5 million students (1,530,128) in the class of 2009 took the SAT, the most widely used and researched standardized college admission test. Of those, 40.0 percent were minority students. This is an increase from 38.0 percent in 2008 and 29.2 percent in 1999, reflecting the steady growth in SAT minority participation rates.
But of course, all you need is a fraction of the test scores in order to make such a bold statement about minorities, especially black people.
It all depends where the money goes. And clearly, it's not going in the right areas if one school can have all of the latest learning materials and the one next door is still working on computers with Windows '95. And by all means... if you don't want your money to go to Education (or preferably a black male so you can hold onto your twisted beliefs about their laziness and your self-appointed racial superiority) then don't pay your taxes. That way, your miserable pennies never get to them.
Even if money has been thrown at the problem, it apparent that it hasn't been allocated in the right areas to make any real difference. You have this ridiculous belief that all you have to do is give a sack of dollars to someone, with no detailed plan that targets the trouble areas in our Education system, and still expect miracles (ahem... No Child Left Behind).
All money and no path to success. You don't even need an SAT test to figure out that doesn't work.
What you post as your so-called evidence is intentionally left incomplete and distorted to not give someone the full story. Sargon20 already exposed this in a previous post, which further strengthens that argument. And if you're so sure that what you believe is true, then what's the fear you have with showing the entire story? Afraid that other people will notice and see the flaws in your so-called ironclad argument that you claim hasn't been proven wrong? All anyone has to do is read and they can look right through your bullshit.
You conveniently did not respond to my post that shows that rich, suburban blacks still do poorly on the SAT. Any reason you can think of?
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You're being intellectually dishonest. In that same article that you linked to, it is said that the different wasn't so much genetic, but based on effort. The writer brought up a variety of black schools that did just as well, or even better than Asian and white dominated schools.
Dishonesty is part of broader thrust to support eugenics:
http://www.lpsg.org/122904-ashkenazi-jews-and-intelligence.html
Why can't we talk about intelligence as having a genetic component? If we can talk about a race, the Ashkenazi Jew, as having elevated intelligence, why can't we talk about races that are possibly not as intelligent?
http://www.lpsg.org/122904-ashkenazi-jews-and-intelligence-3.html#post2005207
Of all the traits that make up man we are going to exclude intelligence as genetic? What intellectual dishonesty. People breed dogs for intelligence. Why would dog intelligence be genetically controlled and human intelligence not? You saying you can't breed people for intelligence? Baloney.
http://www.lpsg.org/125624-you-sad-fuck-neocons-4.html#post2036462
[FONT="]I freely admit I am prejudiced. Racist I am not so sure. Like I said, if I were picking a team of kids to go on and be chess champs, I would preferentially pick Ashkenazi Jews. If I were looking to build a team of world class sprinters from a pool of kids I would choose West Africans blacks. [/FONT]
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[FONT="] Is it wrong, I don't think so. I think its realistic. Until I see white and Asian kids winning world class sprint events I will pick West African blacks. Until I see West African blacks getting equal IQ scores as whites and Asians I will pass on picking them for academic teams.[/FONT]
[FONT="] Why can't we talk about intelligence as having a genetic component? If we can talk about a race, the Ashkenazi Jew, as having elevated intelligence, why can't we talk about races that are possibly not as intelligent?
http://www.lpsg.org/122904-ashkenazi-jews-and-intelligence-3.html#post2005207
Of all the traits that make up man we are going to exclude intelligence as genetic? What intellectual dishonesty. People breed dogs for intelligence. Why would dog intelligence be genetically controlled and human intelligence not? You saying you can't breed people for intelligence? Baloney.
http://www.lpsg.org/125624-you-sad-fuck-neocons-4.html#post2036462
[FONT="]I freely admit I am prejudiced. Racist I am not so sure. Like I said, if I were picking a team of kids to go on and be chess champs, I would preferentially pick Ashkenazi Jews. If I were looking to build a team of world class sprinters from a pool of kids I would choose West Africans blacks. [/FONT]
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[FONT="] Is it wrong, I don't think so. I think its realistic. Until I see white and Asian kids winning world class sprint events I will pick West African blacks. Until I see West African blacks getting equal IQ scores as whites and Asians I will pass on picking them for academic teams.[/FONT]
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