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American culture is a violent culture. Incidents of this nature will not only continue, but continue more and more frequently. Only a change in mainstream culture can have any impact on a matter such as this. That ain't comin' any time soon, I'm afraid. I'm not hopeless, but I find that things are getting worse, not better.
 

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I agree with the excercising of any right comes the responsibility to do so safely. Everyone who owns a firearm has an utmost priority to keeping that weapon secure in such a manner as it cannot be used to conduct ill will without extreme measures being taken (like cracking a safe).

david- i've heard several interpretations of the 2a, and i've never heard yours before. i find that interesting. the one that drives me nuts is that people try to assess the 2a as a group and not an individual right, trying to say the national gaurd is the implied militia and private ownership is not granted. that drives me up a wall! any right can be revoked in the interest of national security. habius corpus, 1a, any and all. that being said, the day someone says we are taking away the bill of rights to serve the people and the government, there will be blood in the streets, be it foreign or domestic :(

bigbull- school shootings are going down, and since 2004 violent crime and murders are also declining nationally

david- your right about statistics. There is no such thing as an objective statistic. I want to believe my numbers are less biased than anti gunners, but to be honest, there is a good chance mine are fluffed as well. i've tried to perform my due diligence, and thats really all that anyone can ask :/

which countries are you referring to with stricter gun laws? to the best of my knowledge, the only legitimate example is Japan, and even that one can be argued back and forth.

again i just want to reiterate- i totally agree that everyone who chooses to keep firearms has a responsibility to do so safely.

majormadness-

you can get an 'ak' style rifle legally at many well stocked firearm distributors. I don't know specific texas law, but you need to be 18 years old, a citizen, valid form of government ID, no prior felonies, and a few other little tits and tats like of sound mind etc etc that pop up on a background check.

depending on quality of build and style you could reasonably expect to pay 350-10,000 dollars depending on how authentic you want to go. (10k is the extreme assuming your in a class 3 legal state and can find a pre 86 legal FA build, and have a loooot of paper work filled out)
 

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10.5andproudofit said:
I agree with the excercising of any right comes the responsibility to do so safely. Everyone who owns a firearm has an utmost priority to keeping that weapon secure in such a manner as it cannot be used to conduct ill will without extreme measures being taken (like cracking a safe).

david- i've heard several interpretations of the 2a, and i've never heard yours before. i find that interesting. the one that drives me nuts is that people try to assess the 2a as a group and not an individual right, trying to say the national gaurd is the implied militia and private ownership is not granted. that drives me up a wall! any right can be revoked in the interest of national security. habius corpus, 1a, any and all. that being said, the day someone says we are taking away the bill of rights to serve the people and the government, there will be blood in the streets, be it foreign or domestic :(

bigbull- school shootings are going down, and since 2004 violent crime and murders are also declining nationally

david- your right about statistics. There is no such thing as an objective statistic. I want to believe my numbers are less biased than anti gunners, but to be honest, there is a good chance mine are fluffed as well. i've tried to perform my due diligence, and thats really all that anyone can ask :/

which countries are you referring to with stricter gun laws? to the best of my knowledge, the only legitimate example is Japan, and even that one can be argued back and forth.

again i just want to reiterate- i totally agree that everyone who chooses to keep firearms has a responsibility to do so safely.

majormadness-

you can get an 'ak' style rifle legally at many well stocked firearm distributors. I don't know specific texas law, but you need to be 18 years old, a citizen, valid form of government ID, no prior felonies, and a few other little tits and tats like of sound mind etc etc that pop up on a background check.

depending on quality of build and style you could reasonably expect to pay 350-10,000 dollars depending on how authentic you want to go. (10k is the extreme assuming your in a class 3 legal state and can find a pre 86 legal FA build, and have a loooot of paper work filled out)

As far as other countries gun control laws, MOST industrialized nations have much more stickt gun control laws than the USA--especially when it comes to hand guns and any assault type of weapons. Canada, Great Britain, Norway, Sweden, Japan, as you mentioned, France...those are a few off the top of my head I know of--I'm sure there are many more examples. SOme countries members are less or more violent, definately, regardless of gun laws, but there is just a very strong correlation--nobody can prove causality--but the correlation is almost dead on. As far as my interpretation of the second amendment, I want to clarify that it isn;t necessarily MY intepretation--it is just one that poped into my head after reading again the actual text---as an interpretation the supreme court coult declare. And it would be a pretty damned good argument, as well. If the need for the public to have weapons isn;t there any longer, why do they need that right? etc. I hope it is never brought to that point---the government would have a hell of a time collecting all the guns, and never would get them. It would get pretty ugly.
 

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davidjh7 said:
As far as my interpretation of the second amendment, I want to clarify that it isn;t necessarily MY intepretation--it is just one that poped into my head after reading again the actual text---as an interpretation the supreme court coult declare. And it would be a pretty damned good argument, as well. If the need for the public to have weapons isn;t there any longer, why do they need that right? etc. I hope it is never brought to that point---the government would have a hell of a time collecting all the guns, and never would get them. It would get pretty ugly.

Surprisingly, the Supreme Court has never ruled on whether the Second Amendment grants private citizens the right to own guns. In the history of the nation they've only ruled on the Second a handful of times, and always narrowly regarding state militias. Advocates on both sides of the gun control issue wish the Supremes would give them some guidance, but it hasn't happened yet. (It's not hard to imagine that they're avoiding it on purpose.) If I had to guess, they'd rule that it does give citizens the right to bear arms, but like all other rights, it's not an unlimited one.
 

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interesting gun fact about france- untill 1994 you could own a FA weapon.

which country near neatherlands requires silencers? i know one of them does and im not sure which. . .this is going to annoy me till i think of it.