Schrödinger’s Rapist: A guy’s guide to approaching strange women without being maced

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I have to say here, that all of us are half male, & half female.

To suggest that somehow or other, a historic look at gender affects either sex more NOW, is laughable. We all have perpetrator & victim blood in equal amounts.

I think that women have owned half or more of the world's assets since at least the 80s, & seem to have complete statutory control of the most important part of life - one's progeny.

If you want to say - get the violence exhibiting mentally ill, people bolted up & safe away from the rest of us, I'm all for it, but women are generally twice as worried about assault as men, yet get attacked half as much. In fact you are about 4 times more likely to be murdered if you are a man.

Any attempt to say that men do x or y more than z & a, isn't anything different to saying race b & c offend more than d & e. It's bigotry when applied as the blogger clearly did, especially when it maligns people as potential rapists, and that's, supposedly, the whole rationale for wearing the full hijab & veil.

All men are rapists who cannot control their urges.

Bollox, that's a tired old dog of a tale that needs to be dispatched, especially for anyone who's grown up in the western culture.
 

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This is a stupid argument - not to mention a load of old bollocks. The Medici women, Boudica (aka Boadecia), Queen Victoria, Queen Elizabeth I, Eleanor of Acquitane, Catherine the Great, Cleopatra... just off the top of my head.

There have been plenty of powerful, warring women - it doesn't change the fact that most human cultures have been aggressively patriarchal for a very long time.



Dawn of time? No - there have been matriarchal societies too. Why try to make this an absolute argument? You only weaken your not entirely unreasonable point.



Now that really is bollocks. Plenty of men have experienced total subjugation - been told what to wear, how to behave, where to go, who to marry.



Oh dear. Just oh dear. The Mary who was Jesus' mother is not the same Mary as Mary Magdalene. And the Bible does not say Mary Magdalene was a prostitute, at all.

Also - please show me the definitive proof that no women had a hand in authoring the Bible. I agree Christianity is a patriarchal religion, it has become more so over time than it was at it's origins. Some even suggest there was a repressed 5th gospel written by Mary Magdalene - but that's not really a matter for this thread. My point is you know fuck all about it and really should avoid using your misconceptions to make a point.



There are plenty of female murderers and abusers - women are not inherently peaceful and lovely.



Few men, in my experience, feel safe just by virtue of their gender - when they are attacked, especially when the attack is of a sexual nature, there is a social stigma that makes it even harder for them to face what has happened to them. We all face problems. They aren't necessarily the same - but I think your attempts to make women's problems sound more profound than men's followed by your final paragraph is just, well, silly. Not to mention offensive to both men and women.

ETA: Damn you ML - and damn me for getting up and sorting the laundry mid reply!! :smile:

But I don't think any translations of the Bible call MM a prossie either (though I haven't read them all) - that came from a confused 6th century Pope.






This is why I love you, and want you to post everywhere all over me all the time! :tongue:
 

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All men are rapists who cannot control their urges.

Bollox, that's a tired old dog of a tale that needs to be dispatched, especially for anyone who's grown up in the western culture.
I have to agree with most of your post, though I would imagine that most people will want some proof of your claims that men are four times most likely to be assaulted. :p

But I think that this quote is being a bit... I'm not sure what to describe it. It's a bit "not the point?"

I don't think any one is saying that all men are rapists. But when you consider the gender of rapists, almost all of them will be men.

I'm not even sure if there is a reported case in which the women was the rapist - I can't imagine that the guy wasn't enjoying himself in that case, unless she were raping a woman or she was spreading a STI or something.
 

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Yar!!!

I don't know why I've taken the bait. I'm off to play pirates.

I'd rather fight Scylla than get sucked into Charybdis, yet again - oh the sailor's life is ARD.

I don't even believe in Boudicca. One historical reference, & a name that means victory. Yar, this salty old dog will temporarily test Neptune & the monsters of the deep instead.
 

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I'm not even sure if there is a reported case in which the women was the rapist - I can't imagine that the guy wasn't enjoying himself in that case, unless she were raping a woman or she was spreading a STI or something.
(Added emphasis mine) That's kind of sexist, no? A man is allowed to say no and mean it too. And when he does, I am certain he no more enjoys his rape than a woman would. Though uncommon, methods women have used to rape men are coercion by duress, drugging, blackmail, and bondage.

When I was a little girl, in either the 80's or 90's, one of the Kennedy clan was accused of the rape and murder of a young woman. He claimed she raped him. There was a huge uproar, and public debate over whether or not a man could possibly be raped by an attractive woman. At the time, it seemed that since he was hard, no one would believe he'd been raped, but over time, as (a very few) more men told stories of being raped by women, it became generally accepted that a dick will get hard if it is touched or sucked nicely, no matter what the man attached may want.

For a depressing account of a man who was continually raped by particular woman, Google Antoine Fisher. I can't tell you about him here or link to his story because of his age when the rapes started. The story does have a happy ending, if I recall correctly.
 

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I can't imagine that the guy wasn't enjoying himself in that case, unless she were raping a woman or she was spreading a STI or something.
i can't imagine why other people wouldn't love electrodes on their genitals and eating cheese & ketchup sandwiches.

it's a sign of an immature mind to not be able to understand that other people don't always feel the same way you do.
 

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Yar!!!

I don't know why I've taken the bait. I'm off to play pirates.

I'd rather fight Scylla than get sucked into Charybdis, yet again - oh the sailor's life is ARD.

I don't even believe in Boudicca. One historical reference, & a name that means victory. Yar, this salty old dog will temporarily test Neptune & the monsters of the deep instead.


That's interesting you should say that, I was talking to a friend of mine who lectures in history at Trinity college (Dublin) the other day about how scantilly attested Boudicca is and how her name and some of the details of her life make her seem like one of those myths of resistance type characters one encounters in the ancient world sometimes.


But there's always three of my favourite storming women from history to replace her- Zenobia of Palmyra, briefly a putative Empress of Rome and conqueror of most of the east of that empire (the only female ruler of the Roman Empire before the equally fascinating Irene of Athens in the 8th century AD, but actually she was Empress of Byzantium) and Zenobia was an Arab to boot. Airgairn aka Organa one of those mighty Mongol princesses who lead from the saddle with a bow and a sabre, and then there's Empress Wu Zetian the only Empress Regnant of China in its entire history who interrupted the mighty T'ang dynasty to found her own brief Chou Dynasty and had a weakness for warfare and forcing very large numbers of her political enemies to commit suicide.

Mind you all three were much much more than just blood soaked warriors and dictators.


You could add in characters like the 11th century Sichelgaita of Salerno, Robert Guiscard's sword wielding Lombard amazon of a wife and co-ruler of the mediterranean Norman empire, she is described as killng men with her bare hands on occassion. Hatshepsut the first recorded female monarch in human history and one of Egypt's most interesting pharoahs or indeed her only rival for the title of earliest recorded female monarch Kubaba of Kish in Sumer who was apparently a tavern keeper before she became a queen regnant and who became so famous she was worshiped as a goddess by dozens of near-eastern civilisations for hundreds of years, indeed when the ancient greeks encountered her cult they turned her into the goddess Cybele.


I could go on, but this is a threadjack. Apologies, but I do so warm to this subject matter. :redface:
 
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You could add in characters like Sichelgaita, Robert Guiscard's sword wielding Lombard amazon of a wife and co-ruler of the mediterranean Norman empire, she is described as killng men with her bear hands on occassion.

I know it's only a typo, but humour me... :tongue:
 

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i can't imagine why other people wouldn't love electrodes on their genitals and eating cheese & ketchup sandwiches.

it's a sign of an immature mind to not be able to understand that other people don't always feel the same way you do.
Okay, I am absolutely sick of being called immature on this site simply because of my age.

Naive? Perhaps. It would be a lot more accurate if it is based on the things I say. But not only was that one part of my post SUPPOSED to be a joke, as sick, horrible and dreadfully true in some respects as it may be, but my point of that post is that I personally don't hear of men that are the ones being raped, these days. Apparently, I must not be paying enough attention to the news or all the attention really does focus on the woman that was raped.

If you hear a story that was told in a first-person POV about how the narrator was raped and he/she referred to the rapist as "they" instead of a specified gender, I am willing to bet that you're more likely to think the narrator is a female and the rapist is a male. I would genuinely be surprised if any one else first thought of it as the other way around (although I guess it wouldn't be too hard to believe of a man raping another man, but that story would have nothing to do with women).
 

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i didn't say your age was young, i said your attitude was immature. i wasn't actually interested enough to look at or remember your physical age. were you 90 years old that would still be the sign of an immature mind.

the chip on your shoulder is tedious.
grow up.

i've seen such stories on this site. it was distressing to read the obvious distress of the man who fell victim. it's rare (because women tend to be smaller and less sexually aggressive), it's even more rare to report (partly because they face attitudes like yours), but that doesn't lessen the distress of those who do fall victim.
 
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Okay, I am absolutely sick of being called immature on this site simply because of my age.

Naive? Perhaps. It would be a lot more accurate if it is based on the things I say. But not only was that one part of my post SUPPOSED to be a joke, as sick, horrible and dreadfully true in some respects as it may be, but my point of that post is that I personally don't hear of men that are the ones being raped, these days. Apparently, I must not be paying enough attention to the news or all the attention really does focus on the woman that was raped.

If you hear a story that was told in a first-person POV about how the narrator was raped and he/she referred to the rapist as "they" instead of a specified gender, I am willing to bet that you're more likely to think the narrator is a female and the rapist is a male. I would genuinely be surprised if any one else first thought of it as the other way around (although I guess it wouldn't be too hard to believe of a man raping another man, but that story would have nothing to do with women).
It was meant to be a joke? Man that's even more ignorant than I originally thought, and yes, immature. No one famous has discussed getting raped by a woman in a long time. The only men I have heard of talking about this topic were famous victims, and even then, it came out because it had to, not because they wanted to talk about it. But if you haven't heard about females accused/convicted of statutory rape of teen boys, you have not paid enough attention to the news. It is irrelevant that most rape is committed by men. Your previous statement invalidates the feelings of violation felt by male victims, and makes it that much more difficult for evil women to be brought to justice. Why would a man report a rape when so many people feel as you do?
 

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dolfette, what makes you think I am trying to provoke something? Am I not allowed defend myself against what I believe not to be true? Did you even read what I just said? Your focus seems to be on the one part of my post that I didn't even mean.

AlteredEgo, yes it was meant as a "joke." I even admitted that it was crude (or at least sick, horrible, and dreadfully true as it may be). And I'm not talking about teenagers - I would imagine that there are many untold stories of children, both male and female. Even though my previous post talked about genders in general, I'm talking about fully grown men and women.
 
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dolfette, what makes you think I am trying to provoke something? Am I not allowed defend myself against what I believe not to be true? Did you even read what I just said? Your focus seems to be on the one part of my post that I didn't even mean.

AlteredEgo, yes it was meant as a "joke." I even admitted that it was crude (or at least sick, horrible, and dreadfully true as it may be). And I'm not talking about teenagers - I would imagine that there are many untold stories of children, both male and female. Even though my previous post talked about genders in general, I'm talking about fully grown men and women.
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just throwin' out there. women do rape other women. is just one of those horribly under reported assaults. so a story of rape minus gender pronouns might be male/female, female/male, male/male, female/female.

and not just in sexploitation prison films from the late 70s. :rolleyes:

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yeah!! what Ms. Molotove said. didn't you learn anything from Horton?
 

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Dude. Rape is rape.
I understand that. Never once did I deny that males were raped. I said simply that recently and throughout my life, I have never heard of reported cases on a man (not a boy who's too young to understand what's happening or to protect himself) being raped by a woman. I'm sure it happens, and now I know it happens.

Is it immature of me because I don't research before posting? I left an open opportunity for people to correct me, and I will accept posts like yours as a response. But I don't see how simply calling me immature is supposed to prove anything.

Also, never have I said that I would enjoy being raped. Why would I enjoy doing ANYTHING against my will? Perhaps it's because I haven't experienced this that I was being so lighthearted, but from now on I'll be strictly serious in any post I make...
 

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but my point of that post is that I personally don't hear of men that are the ones being raped, these days.

Just because you don't hear about it, it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. A girl I knew in high school tried to rape a guy. Luckily, there were people around to stop her, or it wouldn't have stopped at trying. The guy did not 'enjoy' it. He was fucking freaked out.


Dude. Rape is rape.

This.
 

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is not that men are not raped, is that society isn't willing to recognize the event as call rape.

dudes get coerced into sex all the time. most of the time it's called beer goggles *too drunk to consent is rape, hard peen or not*

i would think that most of female on male assaults are emotional or physiological manipulation. still, there are cases of violent rape of men perpetrated by women.

eta: dudes with a history of sexual abuse sometimes just go with the action to avoid confrontation, the assault might trigger flashbacks, or they just sorta lock into panic/freeze mode.
 
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