This is a stupid argument - not to mention a load of old bollocks. The Medici women, Boudica (aka Boadecia), Queen Victoria, Queen Elizabeth I, Eleanor of Acquitane, Catherine the Great, Cleopatra... just off the top of my head.
----------------------------------------------------------CM: you must have went to a more advanced school than I did. I wasn't taught much about these women nor that they were great leaders and some I have never heard of.
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There have been plenty of powerful, warring women - it doesn't change the fact that most human cultures have been aggressively patriarchal for a very long time.
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CM:I listed the only "powerful, warring women" I learned about in school. Who are they? If you asked random ppl on the street to name even three, I doubt they could.
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Dawn of time? No - there have been matriarchal societies too. Why try to make this an absolute argument? You only weaken your not entirely unreasonable point.
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CM: I'm sure a few have exisited since the dawn of time. Who are all these matriachal societies you claim existed. Again, I was never taught about them. Not even one. I do know about warring men and could probably name 20 right now.
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Now that really is bollocks. Plenty of men have experienced total subjugation - been told what to wear, how to behave, where to go, who to marry.
--------------------------------------------------------------CM: wtf? By women????? "Plenty????????????" Who, when, where???? Please specify in what socities women have imposed these rules on men?
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Oh dear. Just oh dear. The Mary who was Jesus' mother is not the same Mary as Mary Magdalene. And the Bible does not say Mary Magdalene was a prostitute, at all.
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CM; Sorry about that. My mother was raised strict catholic and would not allow a bible in the house. I apologize for not knowing the real facts. I've never, ever read one.
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Also - please show me the definitive proof that no women had a hand in authoring the Bible. I agree Christianity is a patriarchal religion, it has become more so over time than it was at it's origins. Some even suggest there was a repressed 5th gospel written by Mary Magdalene - but that's not really a matter for this thread. My point is you know fuck all about it and really should avoid using your misconceptions to make a point.
--------------------------------------------------------------CM: I don't have to show proof. If anyone who knows about the bible and can share with me that women wrote any part of it, I would like to know for my benefit.
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There are plenty of female murderers and abusers - women are not inherently peaceful and lovely.
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CM: your point? I admitted women kill. However, if we pulled stats from 2010, I think "plently" could only be attributed to men.
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Few men, in my experience, feel safe just by virtue of their gender - when they are attacked, especially when the attack is of a sexual nature, there is a social stigma that makes it even harder for them to face what has happened to them. We all face problems. They aren't necessarily the same - but I think your attempts to make women's problems sound more profound than men's followed by your final paragraph is just, well, silly. Not to mention offensive to both men and women.
--------------------------------------------------------------CM: MAJORITY of rape is committed by men!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT WOMEN. If you find that offensive, so be it.
Women have gotten the short end of the stick for most of our history. No matter what you say, the proof exisits.
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ETA: Damn you ML - and damn me for getting up and sorting the laundry mid reply!! :smile:
But I don't think any translations of the Bible call MM a prossie either (though I haven't read them all) - that came from a confused 6th century Pope.