Schweppes shows how often women are groped at clubs

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So Schweppes built a touch sensitive dress that reported touching and grabbing and sent the information back to a monitoring system in a nearby building. The sent three different women into the club wearing the dress to monitor how many times they were touched or grabbed. The data isn't terrible shocking if you're not a neanderthal, but since this article has also highlighted the comments of some men, let have a discussion about it.

Researchers Use High-Tech Dress To Show Just How Often Women Are Groped At Clubs

After watching that and having a conversation with my wife about it, I realized something about myself. I'm very far removed from the club scene, but always in my life when in a crowded venue like a bar or a club, or even a business conference I may have been an unwanted toucher. Not in the creepy scummy way. I've always been a stocky guy. I have pretty broad shoulders, and I've always tried my very best to be polite and mindful of others. So when in a crowded space, I don't like just bashing my way through people. As a result, I have always placed my hand on someone's shoulder or upper back when "pushing" by while saying something like "excuse me". I've done so with the intent to not just bash my way through, and to alert the person that I was trying to get by. This is not something I've only done to women mind you, but that's irrelevant to my point. It never occurred to me that after spending a night being grouped by troglodytes, my doing this could be one more instance where a woman was made to feel uncomfortable by unwanted touching. I'm sorry for that world.

So I post this - with my commentary - to show that even though you may not be that handsy guy in the club, you could still be unintentionally making women uncomfortable.
 

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I think the type of touching you describe doing (which I have also done in some situations!) is much different than what goes on up in the club.

Thinking back, the times I was groped most was going to a swingers club my gf qnd I would frequent because somehow we got an in with someone who'd give us "2 free drinks" coupons on the regular. Fun times. And there was also a club I remember us going to that I can only describe as an 80s pimp club? I guess. In my memory about half of the men there looked like 80s pimps from movies. My gf nearly got taken there, one guy I remember could not keep his hands off her. And all she wanted to do was dance a little bit with him

Very interesting, thx for sharing this!
 

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I can definitely tell the difference between being groped and someone just inevitably coming in physical contact in a public situation.

I've gone to literally hundreds of concerts. I've had hundreds (maybe thousands) of people pass/touch me in the crowd. The only times it was ever uncomfortable: when motherfuckers thought they could grab ass/tits unnoticed. I always ALWAYS made it clear that I did notice and that they better not do that shit again.

If anyone here ever goes to a concert at The Sunshine Theater in Albuquerque, don't go to the bathroom. Period. If you need to pee, hold it or just leave the concert. That bathroom is rape Central.
 

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And I did see this yesterday, I like Johnny Pie. He's got commentary:

That's funny, because the conversation they had was nearly exactly the conversation I had with my wife about this, right down to her saying "I don't touch people ever when walking by". I think that might come down to a size thing as well. I would argue that most women can squeeze through a crowded club without worrying about bowling someone over. I don't feel like I can do the same thing.

Obviously I recognize that superficial touching when moving through a crowded area is not the same as groping someone, but I'd still never really considered that if you're being touched 40 times an hour without consent, that could be a trigger too. Crazy though.... another perfect example of privilege.
 

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My sister has said, after telling her about this thread/article, you should have women wear this dress on the London tube. She said one guy touched her so much that she told him "if you touch me anymore you will truly feel London falling"
 

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There’s a difference in lightly touching someone’s back while you squeeze past them and groping their hips, waist, or ass as you grind past them. Typically I can tell the difference.

Then again, maybe it’s just the feminist in me. :joy:
 
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There’s a difference in lightly touching someone’s back while you squeeze past them and groping their hips, waist, or ass as you grind past them. Typically I can tell the difference.

Then again, maybe it’s just the feminist in me. :joy:

What about lightly touching someone's back as you grind past them? It's cold up here in the Great White North, as you know! Gotta stoke those fires somehow!
 
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My sister has said, after telling her about this thread/article, you should have women wear this dress on the London tube. She said one guy touched her so much that she told him "if you touch me anymore you will truly feel London falling"

The London underground is vile where groping is concerned I absolutely hate it and so glad I live down in Cornwall, having a large bottom and boobs just seems to make it worse however I'm in no way afraid to confront such vile pathetic excuses for men, draw attention to them, hurt them and have them removed at the next stop X
 

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I really enjoy clubbing (even at the age of 34 Lol) I can easily tell the difference between somebody squeezing past and deliberately squeezing my bottom or boobs, there's different situations too imo.
I really enjoy dancing, sometimes with guys if they're a really good dancer. I'm moving my hips and trying to show my moves, dancing can be very erotic! It's impossibly loud, dark with bright flashing lights, a guy may read my smile and moves and try to take it up a level, his hands slide onto my bottom... I simply lift his arms up or away and shake my head. They understand the limits, if they persist my face will turn into a gargoyle and I'll push them away... obviously a creep then.

The other situation is a guy just deliberately groping on the sly in a club, they instantly get a slap, punch to his stomach or very nasty crushing of his crown jewels which will also usually result in him being removed by the doorman.
If all else fails I'm usually out with my hubby anyway, it never ends well for them as my hubby knows I can handle most situations myself so I must be upset to point out a shit head trying to force himself on me. They get the message after an altercation with my 22 stone ex wrestling rugby playing hubby pmsl and still have the humiliation of being removed from the club on top of it all and most likely unconscious! X
 

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I really enjoy clubbing (even at the age of 34 Lol) I can easily tell the difference between somebody squeezing past and deliberately squeezing my bottom or boobs, there's different situations too imo.
X

I hate being asked, “are you sure he groped you?” Um, yes, I can tell the difference between someone placing their hand on my back to move past me and someone using the opportunity to cop a feel. There’s fingers curling around, there’s more contact, more movement, and sometimes either too much eye contact or no eye contact at all.

Yup, there’s a difference.
 

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I hate being asked, “are you sure he groped you?” Um, yes, I can tell the difference between someone placing their hand on my back to move past me and someone using the opportunity to cop a feel. There’s fingers curling around, there’s more contact, more movement, and sometimes either too much eye contact or no eye contact at all.

Yup, there’s a difference.

Absolutely hunni I couldn't have put it better! A while back I was sat at a table away from the dance floor in a local club just chatting with some friends, at the table next to us was another party of younger people. This guy (I'd say probably only in his late teens or early twenties) stumbled to his feet (clearly drunk bless) and out of nowhere just grabbed my boobies, like properly put a hand on each and squeezed all in a split second! Now I'm sure we've all experienced those moments when everything seems to go into slow motion, it was like that. I couldn't tell you really what the lad looked like but I can clearly remember the expression of horror on the faces of the people sat opposite me either at the guys action or my reaction as I stood and launched myself and one of the best right hooks in my life, he went back into the other table turning it over, drinks everywhere ashtray up in the air and landing on his arse in front of the seat he was originally sat on covered in a cocktail of alcohol and mess. His friends calmed it down apologising for him as the doorman bowled over to see what the fuss was about, as one of them shone his torch at the lad he said "are you ok miss"? "You seem to have it covered" or something like that Lol. As the lad got carried out the doorman got on his radio and ordered a round of drinks for myself and friends plus I got free entry for the rest of the year Lol, I still can't get my head around what was going thru that lads head tho even drunk to pull a stunt like that! X
 

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As sad as this comment is.. I can't imagine this isn't relateble to any woman who watches it. It's sad that a dress needs to be made and three guinea pigs sent in to a club to collect data instead of just believing women...

We're offended by a Christmas song from the 40's because we're interpreting lyrics out of context, but on the other hand we still can't support or believe women when they talk about being mistreated. Welcome to 2018 folks.
 

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To the best of my memory, I’ve never groped a female in an unsolicited manner. Maybe I wasn’t ballsy enough, I’ll admit. But there were a time or two recently, where I could have grabbed ass or tits and it probably would’ve been welcome. If so, my loss. But I prefer not to take that chance.
 

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To the best of my memory, I’ve never groped a female in an unsolicited manner. Maybe I wasn’t ballsy enough, I’ll admit. But there were a time or two recently, where I could have grabbed ass or tits and it probably would’ve been welcome. If so, my loss. But I prefer not to take that chance.

If you had taken the chance and it WASN'T welcome, well you would have sexually assaulted someone. That doesn't make anyone "ballsy". It makes them fuckin assholes.

So, good call NOT doing it. Your "loss" means nothing compared to the potential shit you could/would be putting someone through who didn't want your hand on their ass/tits. I hate the fact that I don't even enjoy concerts anymore. It's because those assholes thought "might as well take a chance". They can eat shit or die hungry for all I care.
 

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If you had taken the chance and it WASN'T welcome, well you would have sexually assaulted someone. That doesn't make anyone "ballsy". It makes them fuckin assholes.

So, good call NOT doing it. Your "loss" means nothing compared to the potential shit you could/would be putting someone through who didn't want your hand on their ass/tits. I hate the fact that I don't even enjoy concerts anymore. It's because this assholes thought "might as well take a chance". They can eat shit or die hungry for all I care.
Hey, that’s exactly why I don’t grope. I seriously don’t like the taste of shit..
 

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Hey, that’s exactly why I don’t grope. I seriously don’t like the taste of shit..

I'm pretty sure you don't wanna die hungry either.

Any guy who thinks grabbing ass without permission makes him "masculine", they need to find a campfire and put it out with their face.
 

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The London underground is vile where groping is concerned I absolutely hate it and so glad I live down in Cornwall, having a large bottom and boobs just seems to make it worse however I'm in no way afraid to confront such vile pathetic excuses for men, draw attention to them, hurt them and have them removed at the next stop X
Nobody molested me in London nor Paris. In London I was embarrassingly obvious as a tourist. I never quite understood where I was and constantly needed the map, paranoid I'd already missed a stop or boarded the wrong tube. In Paris I was accompanied by a large, confident man who had been to Paris many times. When I lived in NY, molestation was relatively rare rare compared to the amount of time I spent in the subway system, but happened far too many times.
 
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If you had taken the chance and it WASN'T welcome, well you would have sexually assaulted someone. That doesn't make anyone "ballsy". It makes them fuckin assholes.

So, good call NOT doing it. Your "loss" means nothing compared to the potential shit you could/would be putting someone through who didn't want your hand on their ass/tits. I hate the fact that I don't even enjoy concerts anymore. It's because those assholes thought "might as well take a chance". They can eat shit or die hungry for all I care.

This