Scientist explains 'global warming stopped a decade ago'...

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  1. faceking

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    Just an important reminder to always take

    a> your facts in context/relative to
    b> understand FULLY the cause/effect of whatever data is proported

    An important mention and premise to man-caused global warming is our carbon dioxide output,... when in fact we are such a small contribution to the output. One volcano eruption, much less two within a short period = carbon dioxide that China couldn't even match for decades if they try. Global temperature changes come from the sun 1,000x (figuratively) more than anything from humankind. There's lots of $$$$$$ and accolades to be had with the scare tactics.... just ask Toyota... the now #1 car manufacturer in the world.

    Yet, we continue the debate with the rhetoric that there is no debate. Folly.


    CATASTROPHIC predictions of global warming usually conjure with the notion of a tipping point, a point of no return.
    Last Monday - on ABC Radio National, of all places - there was a tipping point of a different kind in the debate on climate change. It was a remarkable interview involving the co-host of Counterpoint, Michael Duffy and Jennifer Marohasy, a biologist and senior fellow of Melbourne-based think tank the Institute of Public Affairs. Anyone in public life who takes a position on the greenhouse gas hypothesis will ignore it at their peril.

    Duffy asked Marohasy: "Is the Earth stillwarming?"
    She replied: "No, actually, there has been cooling, if you take 1998 as your point of reference. If you take 2002 as your point of reference, then temperatures have plateaued. This is certainly not what you'd expect if carbon dioxide is driving temperature because carbon dioxide levels have been increasing but temperatures have actually been coming down over the last 10 years."
    Duffy: "Is this a matter of any controversy?"
    Marohasy: "Actually, no. The head of the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) has actually acknowledged it. He talks about the apparent plateau in temperatures so far this century. So he recognises that in this century, over the past eight years, temperatures have plateaued ... This is not what you'd expect, as I said, because if carbon dioxide is driving temperature then you'd expect that, given carbon dioxide levels have been continuing to increase, temperatures should be going up ... So (it's) very unexpected, not something that's being discussed. It should be being discussed, though, because it's very significant."
    Duffy: "It's not only that it's not discussed. We never hear it, do we? Whenever there's any sort of weather event that can be linked into the global warming orthodoxy, it's put on the front page. But a fact like that, which is that global warming stopped a decade ago, is virtually never reported, which is extraordinary."
    Duffy then turned to the question of how the proponents of the greenhouse gas hypothesis deal with data that doesn't support their case. "People like Kevin Rudd and Ross Garnaut are speaking as though the Earth is still warming at an alarming rate, but what is the argument from the other side? What would people associated with the IPCC say to explain the (temperature) dip?"
    Marohasy: "Well, the head of the IPCC has suggested natural factors are compensating for the increasing carbon dioxide levels and I guess, to some extent, that's what sceptics have been saying for some time: that, yes, carbon dioxide will give you some warming but there are a whole lot of other factors that may compensate or that may augment the warming from elevated levels of carbon dioxide.
    "There's been a lot of talk about the impact of the sun and that maybe we're going to go through or are entering a period of less intense solar activity and this could be contributing to the current cooling."
    Duffy: "Can you tell us about NASA's Aqua satellite, because I understand some of the data we're now getting is quite important in our understanding of how climate works?"
    Marohasy: "That's right. The satellite was only launched in 2002 and it enabled the collection of data, not just on temperature but also on cloud formation and water vapour. What all the climate models suggest is that, when you've got warming from additional carbon dioxide, this will result in increased water vapour, so you're going to get a positive feedback. That's what the models have been indicating. What this great data from the NASA Aqua satellite ... (is) actually showing is just the opposite, that with a little bit of warming, weather processes are compensating, so they're actually limiting the greenhouse effect and you're getting a negative rather than a positive feedback."
     
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    It's quite clear you are working for Big Oil.
     
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    Why did you post this Faceking? Should we all start burning coal and oil to heat our homes? Are you upset that GM isn't ruling the roost anymore? The things that could cause global warming are the same things that cause pollution. Toyota makes fuel-efficient cars, and they have low emission levels as a result. Why is this a bad thing? Would you be happy if they were more polluting?

    I'm sure that, while the ice caps keep melting, you'll be spewing your useless GOP crap, taking jabs at those damn liberal commies. Even your beloved Bush Administration claims that global warming exists.
    It's official, global warming does exist, says Bush | Environment | The Guardian
     
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    I guess there's nothing to be concerned about after all. Carry on.
     
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    well, tbh i think global warming is a bunch of hooey.

    I am not that concerned about it...I am however a passionate supporter of logical and necessary environmentalism...such as combating deforestation, air pollution, water pollution, marine pollution, and encouraging land conservation, and an intelligent move towards alternative energy sources, more hybrid vehicles, and more civic investment in green technology, i.e. wind, solar, hydro...not to mention protecting species' necessary habitats etc.

    enivronmentalism is hugely important...alarmist environmental "theory" such as global warming is really takes away attention from the importance of these other vital parts of environmental policy
     
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    difficult to say, one way or the other, given the trucated perspective of the ouny human time-scale

    new species of plants have been developing that are adapted to hotter, drier climes ... a lot of our desert plants in the American Southwest are relatively new arrivals ... and have I read that most of the latest species that were arriving were for those ecologies ... even though this applies to only parts of the world, it does suggest that a warmer drier, trend is in effect, long before any cause could have been ascribed to human activity

    on the other hand, the part of the country where currently am at, is getting wetter and cooler, on a statistically valid scale, as predicted by the global warming model ... who can really say?
     
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    It's a laughable hoax that's becoming harder to ignore all the time. In a few years its most vocal proponents will have moved away to avoid further embarrassment. Sheep who suck up, then regurgitate anything from their TV's (i.e., true believers) will have moved on to whatever they're being fed on their TV's then.

    Full original article here:

    Climate facts to warm to | The Australian

     
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    Looks like many people have their minds made up and there's no wriggle room for any disagreement.
     
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    Let me see if I have this straight, Visual. An entire worldwide community of climatologists from all walks of life, all religions, and from all different political points of view, have concluded that humans have contributed to an overall global warming. They agreed enough to produce a number of comprehensive report each year that demonstrates the problem with increasing confirmation.

    Those of us who accept their findings are "sheep who suck up", much like we are sheep if we accept such things as Universal Gravitation, Maxwell's Equations, Germ Theory, etc.

    You watch some guy's Internet video and conclude that thousands of climatologists are wrong.

    Did I get that right?
     
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    In a nut shell.
     
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    Global warming is a state of one's definition of such. It is a fact that what we have now happening around us is a reality. What we need is an immediate action to deter the impact of such this. Look around the world is becoming smaller with these natural and man made catastrophes. We will be returning to the primitive ways. Just watch and see...
     
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    I fear for Mother Nature if she doesn't comply with the UN's strongly worded letter.
     
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    Will almost inevitably be, a nut.

    Disbelief in anything not understood is some people's default position. It's not necessary to seek or weigh evidence; if I don't understand it, it can't possibly be correct, right?
     
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    Whether global warming is man made or not... its still a good idea to reduce carbon emissions...
    if for no other reason than to take the teeth right out of Islamic fanaticism.

    Switching to a hydrogen economy would bankrupt the mideast... and make all their petty religious jealousies immaterial to the wider world.


    I would think faceking would be in favor of that...
     
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    Yes, quite right. Oil should be a raw material for manufacturing plastics and composites, not a fuel.

    Going to all that trouble of digging it up just to burn it seems wasteful when so many more interesting and productive things can be done with it.

    And the new romantic nonsense of going back to the stone age has been threatened for nearly two hundred years with no success so leave it out.
     
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    There are plenty of other hot-button issues to entertain his mendacious nature.
     
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    --- sorry has nothing to do with this thread --- but I just got wet reading the word "mendacious" uhm. whew. Okay. sorry.
     
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    I know what you mean. I love it when he speaks French.
     
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    This just in, "Evolution ain't how it went down, holmes!"


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