Scientists cure cancer but no one takes notice

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  1. B_VinylBoy

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    Wow...

    Researchers at the University of Alberta, in Edmonton, Canada have cured cancer last week, yet there is a little ripple in the news or in TV. It is a simple technique using very basic drug. The method employs dichloroacetate, which is currently used to treat metabolic disorders. So, there is no concern of side effects or about their long term effects. This drug doesn’t require a patent, so anyone can employ it widely and cheaply compared to the costly cancer drugs produced by major pharmaceutical companies. Canadian scientists tested this dichloroacetate (DCA) on human’s cells; it killed lung, breast and brain cancer cells and left the healthy cells alone. It was tested on Rats inflicted with severe tumors; their cells shrank when they were fed with water supplemented with DCA. The drug is widely available and the technique is easy to use, why the major drug companies are not involved? Or the Media interested in this find? - Scientists cure cancer, but no one takes notice


    To be fair, I didn't find this article till today so I'm sure as it becomes more viral we'll see some of the American journalists start to look this one up. And I'm not that well versed in Science & Biology to be able to explain or figure out this process in any major detail. However, with the current issues existing in our medical and health care systems it's really telling why "big pharma" isn't saying much about this.
     
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    Very, very unlikely that they found one single cure for cancer. Cancer is after all, really 100s of diseases, many of which have their own individual causes- seems dubious to me- and no, I am not a pharmaceutical rep ;)
     
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    To be fair, Newsweek reported the results of this prelim study in 2007. That said, this work has only just begun human trials. This is a years-long process. The link you posted glosses over this fact.
     
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    ^^^^^^^^^^^^
    And the first comment on the article that VB linked to also dates from 2007.

    This article has been around a long time and had very little effect on anyone. And that, I'm sure, is because such ripe predictions are a dime a dozen and seldom borne out in further clinical studies, human trials, etc.

    I liked one of the comments that a reader left:

    Could someone please provide us with a link to the research journal which has studied this drug and its effect on cancer because i would love to read further into it, as un-sourced this article is just another piece of internet jargon and cocka. A very intriguing principal, however and I truly believe that there are perfect drugs out there that as economics dictate our world will be left unused when they could change the world as we know it.

    Considering the amount of time that has passed, this has no doubt been looked at by many journalists and medical researchers who poked around and found very little to write about.
     
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    Considering how much time and effort I've taken trying to learn as much as possible about HIV/AIDS, my litmus test is a peer-reviewed study published in a scientific journal. These days, with the internet so handily available, any source that states a scientific "fact" needs to be backed up with as much legitimate science as possible, beginning with a published, peer-reviewed article.
     
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    Bingo.
     
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    That would be in the right direction, of course, but you also have to consider the journal. And also you need to wait for the article to be cited by a number of independent researchers to see if it proves out.

    Peer review is an ok quality control on work that is being submitted, but it is not a process where the work is duplicated to see if it pans out.

    You probably already know this, but I thought I would make the distinction.
     
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    This "news" is about 4 years old, but thanks for the reminder. Most people in the cancer biz don't know anything about it.

    From Dichloroacetic acid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia :

    The cancer industry, just in the US alone, brings in over $200 billion of revenue every single year. A cure would erase all that revenue, which would threaten trillions of dollars of stock market value. Can't have that.

    The largest DCA clinic in the world operates about 15 minutes away from me. They have cured patients of metastatic cancers where the 5 year survival rate is less than 15%. But, according to the arcane rules of the FDA and Health Canada, that doesn't constitute any evidence of effectiveness.

    This will go on until a certain tipping point is reached and cancer sufferers, and their families, have finally had enough.

    Interestingly, a shortage of cancer drugs and pain meds has been announced over the past couple of weeks- and this when the cancer rate is supposedly decreasing and manufacturing capacity has never been higher. No explanation given, of course. This is no different from the oil cartel shutting down refinery capacity to drive gas prices up, or the banking cartel from threatening another Great Depression if they don't get a trillion dollars' worth of bailout money from the plebes.
     
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    From Skepticblog:

    ANOTHER CURE FOR CANCER?

    by STEVEN NOVELLA, May 16 2011

    The writer is a neurologist at Yale University School of Medicine and the founder and president of the New England Skeptical Society. Some excerpts:
     
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    Here's another skeptic's take on cancer (a guy who I almost always disagree with, btw):

    CSI | The War on Cancer A Progress Report for Skeptics

    Hundreds of billions of dollars spent on research. Very little progress. $200 billion per year spent on cancer treatment in the US alone. Nuff said.
     
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    Unfortunately, effects like these seen on cells, or called in vitro, rarely translates to anything near the same effect in animals (in vivo) or in humans. I am doing my PhD on targeting an array of different cancers, and we can increase accumulation into cancer cells almost 2000-fold using different targeting strategies but when we go into animal models we see maybe a 20% increase. Unfortunately, people that work with bench to bedside translation know this. It will be approximately 7-10 years from an in vitro discovery to being close to being submitted to the FDA after proper clinical trials. We are all waiting for the 'magic bullet' to cure cancer but unfortunately we have to learn to identify and target individual cancers on a per patient basis. So something like this 'cure' for cancer may someday be added to the arsenal of cancer treatments however it will not be a 'cure'. In all reality we have made leaps and bounds in increasing the time a patient lives after being diagnosed as well as increasing the quality of that time. This is going to be a slow race to win, but we are making progress, and in order to remind ourselves of this fact we must not look at where we are now, but where we were 10 years ago.
     
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    Even with this genius people still die. It's my belief, if there were cures
    the drug companies would go bust, it's all about the money.:mad:
     
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    If I interpret your post correctly, you think that the only reason why there is no cure for cancer is that the drug companies, out of self-interest, don't allow one to be produced. This shows such ignorance of how medical research and the pharmaceutical industry work that you should simply stop holding opinions in the matter.

    First of all, you apparently think that it is easy to cure cancer. Anyone with the slightest knowledge of how cancer works can tell you that cancers work in so many different ways that there is nothing surprising at all about our inability to thwart all of them. A friend of mine who works in biotechnology described cancer as "devilish" because of the seeming resourcefulness of its workings: you knock out one genetic pathway on which it works and it simply finds another.

    Further, your idea that drug companies avoid producing a cure because if they found one they would "go bust" does not even make sense as a fantasy in its own right: if the drug companies had a cure, they would make even more money than they do now.

    Finally, of course, your fantasy would require drug companies to act in benign cooperation with each other so that none of them discover a cure for cancer, rather than to compete with each other to gain advantage by discovering cures. Once again, this is not only in blatant defiance of reality but does not even make sense in itself, as your hypothesis is that "it's all about the money." Companies driven by self-interest are not going to refrain from doing what will gain them advantage over their competitors!

    If you can't better ground your opinions in fact, you should at least suspend judgment about matters of which you know so little.
     
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    That's assuming the cure was either a unique substance or process that could be patented. If not, then the drug companies, used to gross margins in the tens of thousands of percent, would not even bother to produce the cure in question. Only small margin producers would get into that game. The bottom line is that, unless an effective cure to cancer could be patented, the drug companies would lose hundreds of billions of dollars in annual revenue which would threaten trillions of dollars of stock market capitalization.

    Yeah, exactly! We all know that the biggest banks in the history of the world didn't act in "benign cooperation" to bankrupt their smaller competitors during the financial crisis. Or how the largest energy producers in the history of the world don't purposefully limit refinery capacity to keep gas prices up (and won't even think about buying out or bankrupting anyone who dare try to compete with them). And the government, as we all know, will never step in and try to help industry with bailouts or legislation designed to limit competition. Nah, those are all just conspiracy theories. :rolleyes::tongue:
     
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    Of course cancer can be cured, but greed and arrogance will always keep us back.
     
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    Really, how many people have you known "personally", that had this
    disease. Well I have known many, friends. relatives,customers that
    have fallen to this disease. All of them go though the same revolving
    door of treatment. Radiation, Chemotherapy or both if one or the
    doesn't take in the meantime these people waste away and end result
    death. I will have to admit any progess that was made only prolonged
    the eneviable. Even the people that were "cured" ended up in most
    cases reuccured, but this time it has made its way not only where it
    started but in other parts of the body. I have a customer, his wife
    has been to every specialist in the country, all gave her basicall the
    same results. The this very man resorted to other doctors in Mexico
    prolonged the symtoms but now she is worse is now counting the
    minutes. Fact's that know little about, sonny you knw half of it. I been
    around a little longer you and seen a lot of things. And when I think
    of the countless millions spent will little return I have resevations toward
    the drug industry in itself.
     
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