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I was never pro McCain. I don't mind him and don't think he will be bad for our country however. I would never vote for a republican unless it was Arnold Swarzenegger and that probably won't ever happen since he is foreign born, even though he is the definition of "the american dream". I was a bill clinton fan and thus a hillary clinton fan by association. I thought the democrats made a mistake by nominating barack obama, for three reasons.
First I believed that they made the mistake by actually thinking this country was ready and able enough to nominate a black president. In another thread someone asked if it was 1964 or 2008 because of the vitriol that is going down at the McCain and Palin rallies, well surprise suprise, if you don't live in certain parts of the country, then racial views and relations are far closer to how they were in 1964 than what we would hope and believe they are today. These rallies are starting to take on the look of modern day KKK (of A) rallies.
The second mistake, which kind of ties into the third mistake so I will combine them. And this is coming from the born and raised democrat in me. The democrats, with Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, had an opportunity to take over the white house for 16 years, but squandered it. By nominating Hillary Clinton, the democrats would have allowed the following to happen .
1. Bill Clinton would have been back in the house. Some people argue this would be bad yaada yaada, please. That was entirely media spin from those pro obama. Clinton is a very intelligent man, and did a fine job running this country and having many of us enjoy prosperity, that can't be argued with. This was the democrats chance to cheat in a way, and get Bill Clinton a third term relatively speaking.
2. Whoever takes over the Presidency, and particularly if it is Obama now, will be set up for disaster. Things are looking very bad for America, and this change will not happen over night. I believe the Clintons (with Obama as VP) would have been better able to not only handle this situation and resurrection of America but also to set the stage for Obama in 8 years and take the brunt of the impact of the next 4 years. Think about it, not having a republican in office for at least 16 YEARS. I will be 42 then when I have to concern myself with a republican taking office. I think that possibility alone is priceless and the democrats turned a blind eye and fucked up regarding this. THIS IS MY MAIN ISSSUE.
3. By nominating Barack Obama, they lessened the chances of a democrat winning the presidency. I still believe Obama could win by a large amount, especially considering the way McCain has ran his campaign (it almost appears as if he is hoping the democrats win too), but a team of Hillary and Obama truly would have united the democrats, and put us in a far better position going into this election and the future 16 years, as the knock on Obama's "inexperience" would be null after serving as Vice President under the Clintons. I am still concerned that other countries will try and take advantage of an Obama presidency right now. Russia looks primed to start poking him in the chest to see what he is made of.
This is a strategic way of thinking, as opposed to going for what you believe in or wish for. This is gameplan. Americans, particularly ignorant ones, do not like change and at the very least do not like rapid change. And unfortunately, the democrats need some of the ignorants to vote for Obama to win. Slow, gradual change, where they don't even realize change is upon them is probably the best. Bring in Obama as VP, let the Clintons pave the road for him, and then he can have his takeover of change and ride off into the sunset.
And regarding my vote for Obama because of his skin color. Well I grew up in a mixed community, and spent large amounts of time living in households among african american families during my youth. I have identified with, and been apart of, the black community here in my town for years and years, often times being the only white person to stand up and represent and defend on behalf of people who I believe are (and this goes back to it being 1964 not 2008) still oppressed in many instances.
I could never, in my right mind and in my heart, not take the opportunity and vote for the first true presidential candidate who has black blood in him. I know the good it will do this country, maybe the good won't be recognizable for a long time, when those being born into interracial families grow up only knowing an interracial president, only then will "change" truly begin to come about. Instead of, like me, growing up waiting for the day when a black man can become President, they will grow up only knowing that, and the days of 1964 and such become far more of a distant memory than they are for those grown today.
Of all the things I have believed in and fought for on a relatively small scale in my neighborhood and community, I would be a hypocrite if I didn't vote for Obama. And just like there is concern of people who might get into the voting booth and just not be able to pull the lever for Obama (I forgot the actual psychological term for it), regardless of whether I believe McCain, or Hillary in 2012 by McCain winning now, is truly the better option for this country in the short term, I could never pull the lever for a republican. At least not yet.
So there you have it. My resentment of Obama is more due to that of his ardent followers and the democratic party which I am part of (although less enthusiastically now) which I believe made a strategic error in the handling of this election season, then of him. By not looking down the road and going for immediate gratification I believe the wrong choice was made, but I will not pass up on this opportunity to vote for something I have believed in since I was a young child.
But this minor separation of my beliefs and the actions of my party have allowed me to have a more or less un biased view of this entire drama. The fact that a lot of people respond to me as if I am a republican and voting for one is telling to me. I am really just bringing up points I believe people need to consider, regardless of my own beliefs or wishes. Just because I am not head over heals for Obama, and kind of think that he may be part of some socialistic upheaval doesn't make me any less of a democrat or any less likely to vote for him.
I am witnessing democrats act in the same manner and stoop to similar levels as the republicans have in the past. I think there are some legitimate concerns of Obama being President, and some of the right wingers I believe are within reason to think certain things about him and ask about them, whereas democrats just dismiss thoughts as "racist" and "ignorant". I mean damn, does anyone remember when McCain was a favorite pal of the democrats? And they have all turned on him like they turned on the Clintons, and I believe that too was a bad decision.
JOIN THE REVOLUTION.
First I believed that they made the mistake by actually thinking this country was ready and able enough to nominate a black president. In another thread someone asked if it was 1964 or 2008 because of the vitriol that is going down at the McCain and Palin rallies, well surprise suprise, if you don't live in certain parts of the country, then racial views and relations are far closer to how they were in 1964 than what we would hope and believe they are today. These rallies are starting to take on the look of modern day KKK (of A) rallies.
The second mistake, which kind of ties into the third mistake so I will combine them. And this is coming from the born and raised democrat in me. The democrats, with Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, had an opportunity to take over the white house for 16 years, but squandered it. By nominating Hillary Clinton, the democrats would have allowed the following to happen .
1. Bill Clinton would have been back in the house. Some people argue this would be bad yaada yaada, please. That was entirely media spin from those pro obama. Clinton is a very intelligent man, and did a fine job running this country and having many of us enjoy prosperity, that can't be argued with. This was the democrats chance to cheat in a way, and get Bill Clinton a third term relatively speaking.
2. Whoever takes over the Presidency, and particularly if it is Obama now, will be set up for disaster. Things are looking very bad for America, and this change will not happen over night. I believe the Clintons (with Obama as VP) would have been better able to not only handle this situation and resurrection of America but also to set the stage for Obama in 8 years and take the brunt of the impact of the next 4 years. Think about it, not having a republican in office for at least 16 YEARS. I will be 42 then when I have to concern myself with a republican taking office. I think that possibility alone is priceless and the democrats turned a blind eye and fucked up regarding this. THIS IS MY MAIN ISSSUE.
3. By nominating Barack Obama, they lessened the chances of a democrat winning the presidency. I still believe Obama could win by a large amount, especially considering the way McCain has ran his campaign (it almost appears as if he is hoping the democrats win too), but a team of Hillary and Obama truly would have united the democrats, and put us in a far better position going into this election and the future 16 years, as the knock on Obama's "inexperience" would be null after serving as Vice President under the Clintons. I am still concerned that other countries will try and take advantage of an Obama presidency right now. Russia looks primed to start poking him in the chest to see what he is made of.
This is a strategic way of thinking, as opposed to going for what you believe in or wish for. This is gameplan. Americans, particularly ignorant ones, do not like change and at the very least do not like rapid change. And unfortunately, the democrats need some of the ignorants to vote for Obama to win. Slow, gradual change, where they don't even realize change is upon them is probably the best. Bring in Obama as VP, let the Clintons pave the road for him, and then he can have his takeover of change and ride off into the sunset.
And regarding my vote for Obama because of his skin color. Well I grew up in a mixed community, and spent large amounts of time living in households among african american families during my youth. I have identified with, and been apart of, the black community here in my town for years and years, often times being the only white person to stand up and represent and defend on behalf of people who I believe are (and this goes back to it being 1964 not 2008) still oppressed in many instances.
I could never, in my right mind and in my heart, not take the opportunity and vote for the first true presidential candidate who has black blood in him. I know the good it will do this country, maybe the good won't be recognizable for a long time, when those being born into interracial families grow up only knowing an interracial president, only then will "change" truly begin to come about. Instead of, like me, growing up waiting for the day when a black man can become President, they will grow up only knowing that, and the days of 1964 and such become far more of a distant memory than they are for those grown today.
Of all the things I have believed in and fought for on a relatively small scale in my neighborhood and community, I would be a hypocrite if I didn't vote for Obama. And just like there is concern of people who might get into the voting booth and just not be able to pull the lever for Obama (I forgot the actual psychological term for it), regardless of whether I believe McCain, or Hillary in 2012 by McCain winning now, is truly the better option for this country in the short term, I could never pull the lever for a republican. At least not yet.
So there you have it. My resentment of Obama is more due to that of his ardent followers and the democratic party which I am part of (although less enthusiastically now) which I believe made a strategic error in the handling of this election season, then of him. By not looking down the road and going for immediate gratification I believe the wrong choice was made, but I will not pass up on this opportunity to vote for something I have believed in since I was a young child.
But this minor separation of my beliefs and the actions of my party have allowed me to have a more or less un biased view of this entire drama. The fact that a lot of people respond to me as if I am a republican and voting for one is telling to me. I am really just bringing up points I believe people need to consider, regardless of my own beliefs or wishes. Just because I am not head over heals for Obama, and kind of think that he may be part of some socialistic upheaval doesn't make me any less of a democrat or any less likely to vote for him.
I am witnessing democrats act in the same manner and stoop to similar levels as the republicans have in the past. I think there are some legitimate concerns of Obama being President, and some of the right wingers I believe are within reason to think certain things about him and ask about them, whereas democrats just dismiss thoughts as "racist" and "ignorant". I mean damn, does anyone remember when McCain was a favorite pal of the democrats? And they have all turned on him like they turned on the Clintons, and I believe that too was a bad decision.
JOIN THE REVOLUTION.
