Sen. Reid defends government spending for "Cowboy Poetry Festival"

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  1. D_Sir Fitzwilly Wankheimer III

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    Libtards unite! We'll never get a budget passed with this crap. I don't think dems know what a deficit means. Which one of you wing nuts want to be first to try to defend this?
     
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    For starters, let's get clear about what Senator Reid was talking about and what he said. He was defending funding for the National Endowment for the Humanities and the National Endowment for the Arts. The cowboy poetry festival was his chosen example of something in his home state funded by the former organization.
     
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    with boths sides geting their pockets filled by big corps there will be nothing done to help this country. These are criminals who run this country and until their asses are sitting in jails this country is doomed.

    budget cuts started with the elderly on ss, cutting their big cost of living as well as the people on disability, veteran's medical centers were also on the list. just ask someone who goes to one and they will tell you what poor health care that is.

    nothing will be done until 2012 until all these fucks get re-elected and then don't expect much, in fact don't expect anything.
     
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    Mind you, I voted for Reid because the other option was akin to shooting yourself in the head -- or having a lobotomy. Sharron Angle? Puhleeze. Even the Democrats didn't want Reid for another six years. He really should be representing Ewetaw and not Nevada. So, considering Elko County is solidly Republican, please explain what other reason Reid, a Democrat, won the last election? It was the option of having spooky, bat shit crazy Sharron Angle.

    As for the Western Folklife Cowboy Poetry Festival, it probably could make it on it's own with a bit of fat trimming. It is truly one Hell of a good time. It's also one of the few amusing things that happens out in the middle of where nothing happens during most of the year. It brings hundreds of thousands of dollars into tiny little Elko, the County Seat, and is one of few red-neck festivals I've ever been associated with that actually has a purpose. Again, I'm not defending US Tax Dollars support this event, although seed money from the National Endowment for the Humanities was used to begin this annual celebration.

    However, the small amount of money spent on the National Endowment for the Arts and the National Endowment of the Humanities is a pittance compared to the millions spent by the House and Senate to indict and try to find something wrong with Clinton. Hell, that money could have kept the NEH and NEA flush for a couple of decades. There are a lot of other projects -- specifically Republican pork -- that needs to be cut first.

    As a member of the business community in Elko I, as well as many others, fork over $1,000 minimum to the Cowboy Poetry Festival every year. They came to us first and then looked for Federal monies to enlarge their coffers to get started. The only thing that keeps the festival from getting bigger every year is there are not enough rooms to rent in the entire city of Elko to tourists. And people these days are having to compete with a transcontinental oil/gas line for those same rooms. The "temporary" workers who will be gone in two years have rented the majority of hotel and motel rooms available. And if you've ever been to Elko you'll know the next communities where rooms may be available are 50 miles away to the east or the west (Carlin or Wells).

    So, I can't really begrudge the gubernunt money that goes to keeping the Cowboy Poetry Festival alive, especially when it directly affects my local businesses and keeps us in the black. Of course, if you'd all like, you can each send me a dollar via a Pay Pal account to make up the slack of $45 to $53 thousand bucks that roll into my bar every January from the Cowboy Poetry Fesitval? Thought not.

    But I can agree that Harry Reid is not the best Senator we could hope for. And Rep. John Engles, the evangelical who was schtupping his best friend's wife he hired as his assistant announced he will not run for reelection in 2012. We're on the look out for two or more excellent and intelligent (emphasis on the intelligent) candidates to run for Senators. Sharron Angle was just too fucking dumb. And the fact she so easily rose to the top scared everyone -- even the Republicans. We now have a nice Hispanic Republican as governor who looks as though he probably doesn't need to buy any clues regarding how to govern Nevada. And he'll do for now. Can't say the same regarding our hallowed Senators.

    Reid, on a personal one-to-one level is a nice enough guy, but he's an old school politician. He's also mormon. He actually had the temerity to recently address the State Legislature and suggest it was time to make legal prostitution in Nevada illegal. Imagine how well that went over. All one has to do is to look at the stats for STDs and it's instantly obvious that Nevada's Sex Worker laws are effective, except in those counties where it is raging illegal. And those counties include Lincoln and Clark Counties (Las Vegas area) and Washoe County (Reno/Sparks) that have the dubious honor of the highest incidences of HIV and all other STDs. Elko County is almost Zero. We round ya up, shoot you in the ass with heavy meds, and keep you tied up with the rest of the sick cattle until you get better. If you're clean, you continue your job making the cowboys and truckers happy. And it's important to note that no one forces you to be a sex worker. Pimps no need apply.

    But even if the paltry few thousand thrown at the Cowboy Poetry Festival disappears, it will continue. Unlike LPSG it is world famous and attracts a large crowd every year. :biggrin1:
     
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    Does anyone have any figures on how much the NEA and NEH get each year and what portion it is of the federal budget? I suspect that this is one of those instances in which the GOP proposes to destroy educational and cultural programs in order to save micropennies out of the federal dollar.
     
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    Nobody is defending it. But as usual, someone had to correct you on it since you (or the source you cited and didn't link to) got it wrong. That's become quite the trend around here.

    Illiterates unite! Who wants to distort yet another issue and resort to ignorant political tag lines like "libtard"? :rolleyes:
     
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    WASHINGTON, D.C.—A group of about 165 conservative GOP Representatives known as the Republican Study Committee wants to eliminate the National Endowment for the Arts,
    the National Endowment for the Humanities, and the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.
    While the funding to these agencies represents a minuscule portion of federal spending, they are specifically targeted in a new bill announced yesterday.

    The group claims that the bill, titled the Spending Reduction Act of 2011, is necessary to trim the deficit and will reduce federal spending by $2.5 trillion over 10 years, the L.A. Times reports. Senator Jim DeMint, Republican of South Carolina and chair of the Republican Senate Steering Committee, also supports the plan, claiming in a statement to stand "against the wave of wasteful Washington spending."

    In addition to cutting subsidies to the arts, the plan also promises to slash legal services to the poor, subsidies for public transportation, and U.S. support for United Nations research on climate change. No cuts to military spending are included in the bill.

    The arts subsidies — classic scapegoats when it comes to Republican ire about wasteful government spending — are among the first items listed in the Republican Study Group document. The NEA and the NEH receive $167.5 million each annually, and the Corporation for Public Broadcasting gets $445 million. This adds up to $7.8 billion over ten years — which, according to ARTINFO's calculations, represents roughly .003 percent of the 2.5 trillion that the bill is intended to save over that period.



    There ya go . . .
     
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    Even though the biggest problem areas to focus on in pertaining to the deficit are Defense, Housing, Energy, Trade & Banking, they would much rather focus on the NEA. But hey, don't let the math fool ya... they're "fiscally conservative". What a load of crap! LOL!!
     
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    Maybe they can find a few more for the chopping block.
     
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    Looks like the local teabaggers are clutching their pearls in mock horror today.
     
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    Thanks, Maxcok. This is just what I suspected. Clearly the important thing for the GOP is to cut funding for the arts, humanities, and education. The savings are negligible.
     
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    Let me put this in terms even a simpleminded self-avowed Teabagger should be able to grasp, even though I know facts mean nothing to you if they contradict your ideology. The total NEA + NEH funding amounts to $335 million. Add in Corporation for Public Broadcasting funding at $445 million and you get a total of $780 million.
    For comparison, the baseline Department of Defense budget for 2010 was $685 Billion, and that doesn't even include the cost of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan passed as budget "supplementals", raising defense related expenditures to $1.1 to $1.35 Trillion, plus the additional ancillary expenses harder to calculate (short and longterm care and support of wounded and unemployed veterans and their families, for examples). What we spend on NEA, NEH, and Public Broadcasting combined in a year doesn't even amount to what we spend on the military every 30 minutes. What we spend on the NEA or the NEH annually would barely buy one F-35 fighter for some 22yo Top Gun hotshot-in-training to crash into the ocean. Maybe in their budget cuts the Republicans and Teabaggers could suggest the DOD just order a few less jets or knock off work an hour early one day.

    Of course it should be noted that only about half, yes half, your tax dollars go to support the military, so it's possible we could find some savings elsewhere in the budget and still have a pittance left for the arts, humanities, and public broadcasting. Make no mistake, calling this a "budget cutting measure" is a bald-faced lie. It's about censorship of art and ideas, the anti-intellectual, anti-education "conservative" culture wars, plain and simple.
    At NEH, we know how modest support can make a difference in sustaining America’s cultural resources. Few institutions have had more impact at less cost. With annual spending that is 1/21,000th of the federal budget, barely more per capita than the cost of a postage stamp, NEH has made major contributions to the democratization of ideas, providing broad and equal access to advances in knowledge and to the nation’s rich cultural heritage in programs ranging from prizewinning documentaries to programs designed to help wounded veterans cope with physical and mental trauma.
    What this really is is the Republican Study Committee's hit list against American arts and culture, camouflaged as economic accountability and "big government" consolidation. The committee's number one target is the Corporation for Public Broadcasting; NEA and NEH follow closely behind at numbers five and six.

    "The Republican/Tea Party base still passionately believes that the main service provided by the NEA is state-sponsered Bible desecration... Art spending, it seems, is the obvious example when it comes to illustrating the evils of wasteful government," wrote ARTINFO.

    The committee also wants to see cuts in education, social services, family planning, public transportation and energy conservation. Yet no cuts to the military budget. And no raised taxes on the richest 2% of American taxpayers. Guns and wealth... because the Kardashian lifestyle is how we want to sustain our image as the great innovator of the world.

    The NEA fought a similar battle in 1995 when a newly-elected Republican majority tried to get rid of it because the endowment supported performances and exhibitions that the GOP decreed offensive. The NEA ended up taking a 39% budget cut, which ended its ability to issue out grants to individual artists. Even with inflation adjustments, the NEA operates at about $58 million a year less than before the "culture wars" of the '90s. . . .

    [Federal funding of the Arts and Humanities is] smart economics, particularly during a time when falling revenue is more the norm than the exception. On average, the arts industry generates $166.2 billion in income each year. "The government's existing arts-funding model follows conservative budgetary principles," Americans for the Arts president Robert Lynch told the LA Times. "A small federal investment that's important to the health of the nonprofit arts sector helps sustain its 5.7 million jobs and the $30 billion in annual returns to federal, state and local coffers that those workers pay in taxes."

    "NEA funding is an investment in the arts," said Rep. Louise M. Slaughter (D-NY), "but it's also an investment in communities and jobs."



    Next? . . . . :rolleyes:
     
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    You are too much Max.
     
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    And you are too little.
     
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    you obviously haven't seen the the NPR sting.


    take a few pennies at a time and they add up.
     
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    We all have, and we all know the video was heavily edited. It still doesn't excuse what Ron Schiller said, but it does add an extra level of suspect as to the actual motives of the so-called "filmmaker".

    Stop arguing against the math. Those pennies will still not add up to any substantial amount of money that would be trimmed from our deficit. Defense, Energy, Housing, Banking and Trade is where we should be focusing first. Anything else is just grandstanding, if nothing more than political posturing to the lowest common denominator of their base. Attacking NPR is just like the Union Busting going on in Wisconsin and potentially 16 other states... political tactics to cut funding and support for Democratic politicians in hopes to win elections in 2012. And you really want to think it's about the budget?
     
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    I didn't find one word that Schiller said to be untrue.
     
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    Who am I to question a learned scholar like yourself.
     
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    Do you want an actual answer, or should we pander to your failed sarcasm and pretend that you're trying to be witty?
     
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    It didn't fail after all didn't you respond.
     
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