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Nor do I. But apparently the mods do.

We are on the Large Penis Support Group for christ sake. One of the cool things about this site was that it didn't matter if you were "straight" or "gay" or whatever. But now someone is deciding if this or that video is "straight" or "gay" and protecting us from accidentally clicking on something we might not want to see by putting it in the "proper" category. That makes this site a hell of a lot less interesting. But I don't pay anyone to come here, so I can't really complain. Whatever people think is best.

in other words, you simply enjoyed the mystery and the danger of opening a video...

well guess what? You do not have the right to demand people be subjected to your desire for arbitrary exposure just because you enjoy living on the edge, if that is what clicking here can be considered :rolleyes:

as for the site being "less interesting" because you have to make 2 clicks instead of one, well, may i suggest you try something exciting like skydiving?

The AW forum is not your own personal roulette wheel.

the fact is, you obviously liked stumbling on to the gay or transgendered or bi-content...which is your right...so just admit that....then tell me how your ability to do that is endangered by having to go to one of the other two forums where those things are kept now.

Just because you liked seeing those things, and have tried to mask your desire to see it under the guise of being "adventurous" or "daring", does not in any impact your desire to see that content...

or is it not as dangerous or "cool" to you to just be yourself and go and explore all the gay, bi and TS/TV/TG material out in the open? If that is the case, i would say it is *YOU* who have the problem.

You think it was "cool" that *EVERYONE* straight or gay when it comes to everything else on this forum, but when it comes to viewing actual sexual content, when others had to be subjected to what you like or find edgy or interesting on video, and people are no longer forced to do that the way you want it, it is not as "cool".

well guess what? *YOU* don't decide what other people get to or may see.

If this place is less interesting to you because other people simply are given choices, then i would say you are the one who has a certain belief system about how people should be forced to congregate here that is not compatible.
 

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the fact is, you obviously liked stumbling on to the gay or transgendered or bi-content...which is your right...so just admit that....then tell me how your ability to do that is endangered by having to go to one of the other two forums where those things are kept now.

No. The fact is I am straight, but my porn interests are varied and I don't like having to go to this or that "section" to find what I may or may not like to check out. I certainly don't like pandering to the whims of people who can't deal with just not clicking on what they don't like and not freaking out when they "accidentally" click on something they aren't interested in (when surfing the "LARGE PENIS SUPPORT GROUP" porn website section for christ!)

But you've won, the site is now the way you want, so I don't know what you are still bitching about.
 

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No. The fact is I am straight, but my porn interests are varied and I don't like having to go to this or that "section" to find what I may or may not like to check out. I certainly don't like pandering to the whims of people who can't deal with just not clicking on what they don't like and not freaking out when they "accidentally" click on something they aren't interested in (when surfing the "LARGE PENIS SUPPORT GROUP" porn website section for christ!)

But you've won, the site is now the way you want, so I don't know what you are still bitching about.

so because someone has a large penis and comes here for advice, discussion, to chat with women, view videos, etc. that means they are automatically gay because it is as you said *AGAIN* in all caps "THE LARGE PENIS SUPPORT GROUP"?

and if you are straight with "varied" porn interests, then all you have to do is go to the straight section and not worry about "this or that 'section' "

why don't you define what "varied" is? you should have no problem whatsoever finding varied straight porn in the straight porn forum, should you?

unless you want varied porn that is bi, or gay...in which case, that is exactly my point.

and ii do not know what *YOU* are still bitching about...other than having to click *ONCE* from the main forum menu to go to each subforum...

i mean, after all...there are only 10 other subforums on the main forum as well...i assume that you do not have any spastic difficulties getting to those do you? I know it is an incredibly difficult task, clicking a button and all....but hey, you don't like pandering to people who just don't click on what they don't like, right? so presumably, now that you "don't like" the AW forum, you will never have to click on it again and be subjected to it.
 

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and if you are straight with "varied" porn interests, then all you have to do is go to the straight section and not worry about "this or that 'section' "

As has been pointed out numerous times in this thread, who gets to decide if a thread is "gay" or "straight"? Is a thread saying "homoerotic themes in straight porn" gay or straight? I don't know, and I certainly don't care to have some moderator decide that for me. But whatever. You've won. It's organized in your way and you are protected from seeing stuff that some moderator decided you probably don't want to see. Congrats.
 

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To anyone "disgusted" at having to look at TWO big dicks, when you only wanted to see one, I laugh in your face.

For fuck's fucking sake.

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...I know it is an incredibly difficult task, clicking a button and all....

Hovering your mouse over the thread title for a few seconds to see the preview text was easy.

No clicking required. And a neat little summary of what the thread contained, so you could filter what you wanted to see yourself.

But this isn't about clicking and extra forum open or viewing content that wasn't your preference.

It's about the people that liked the idea of having all the content combined into one forum.

And I'm starting to think there are more and more people who liked it that way.

The only real way to tell is a vote (hint).

I'm more then happy for a compromise where there is the original Adult Website forum that then filters into serperate orientation forums.

I believe for logistical reasons this is not possible, because you are effectively creating duplicate threads.

Q.
 

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As has been pointed out numerous times in this thread, who gets to decide if a thread is "gay" or "straight"? Is a thread saying "homoerotic themes in straight porn" gay or straight? I don't know, and I certainly don't care to have some moderator decide that for me. But whatever. You've won. It's organized in your way and you are protected from seeing stuff that some moderator decided you probably don't want to see. Congrats.

it is not just "my way"... i suggest you look at the "how many viewers" are looking at the forums.

there are 321 viewing the straight forum, 74 viewing the Gay forum and 8 viewing the "other"

i would wager a significant portion of the 321 viewing the straight forum are happy with the change...not just me.

as for who decides if a thread is "gay or straight", it is really rather simple. If two guys are performing sexual acts on each other, it is gay. if a link leads to a gay site, it is gay. if the posting is about a gay pornstar or gay videos, it is gay.

if it is a "solo" male, then, do whatever you wish in either "other" or "gay". I do not care.

as for the *1* and only thread called "homoerotic scenes in straight porn", i think it is pretty obvious...if it veers into deliberate male on male sexual contact, i would say it is pretty obviously Bi, which means, it should go under gay or other.

Just because *YOU* cannot distinguish some relatively simple themes, you are whining like a baby...you have been complaining through this whole thread about how i "won"...telling me i should let it go, when here you are, bitching and whining and moaning...i think *YOU* are the one who cannot let go, and i'd suggest you grow up, and *DEAL WITH IT*

and as for your whining about those moderators, it is not like we have Pat Robertson in charge of the moderating, genius...we have a variety of open-minded moderators, both straight, gay, bi, etc...who manage to do a rather good job. They are not deciding what you can and can't see you melodramtic fool...they are simply deciding its *LOCATION*.

sort of sad that you are *STILL* whining.
 

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Hovering your mouse over the thread title for a few seconds to see the preview text was easy.

No clicking required. And a neat little summary of what the thread contained, so you could filter what you wanted to see yourself.

But this isn't about clicking and extra forum open or viewing content that wasn't your preference.

It's about the people that liked the idea of having all the content combined into one forum.

And I'm starting to think there are more and more people who liked it that way.

The only real way to tell is a vote (hint).

I'm more then happy for a compromise where there is the original Adult Website forum that then filters into serperate orientation forums.

I believe for logistical reasons this is not possible, because you are effectively creating duplicate threads.

Q.

ah yes, and what about when you hover and there is no indication? Sorry, not good enough, and the point is that *IN* the posts is not the problem, it is the *LINK* in the post...

i did not have a problem clicking into a simple thread that *Discussed* gay themes...we do that *EVERY* day here and in other parts of the forum...it is part of daily life here and not a problem.

Hell click into a straight video thread here, and a gay poster will come in and say about the guy in the straight video "I'd do a better job sucking him off then that lame chick". Now, since i have no problem with that either, you cannot understand that the problem was not *TEXT* or gay people discussing gay sex in and out of context...

the *PROBLEM* was unlabeled, ambiguous links...of which there were *HUNDREDS*

If you click in to a thread and it says "Hung dude gives it to chubby guy", you can assume it is a gay thread...if you click into a thread that say "hot scene...sweaty and awesome!", you do not know what that constitutes, do you? Even if you hover, there may be no indication as it may not be hosted on a site that would tip you off that it was a gay themed site.

the old AW forum still exists...it is merely subdivided.

I know organization is anathema to some here...but the old AW forum had become a complete fucking mess...sorry to rain on your parade.
 

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oh please...this has nothing to do with the hysteria and nastiness of homophobia. :rolleyes:

homophobes are the type of people that believe gays are different, debased, deviants, do not deserve equal treatment under the law, are afraid to be near gay people, do not believe gays should be able to marry, believe homosexuality is not bioligical, believe homosexuals can be cured by religion, believe gays should not be serving their country with honor, or adopting and being good parents to children...


Excuse me Flashy but unless your percentages mean nothing I don't think you have any real idea what homophobia is at all and have no right to lecture others on what defines a homophobe. And your definition is a specific one, focusing on mostly political and religious aspects of it and are frankly extremely American stereotypes relating to the term "Homophobe". In fact Homophobia can, and does, have a broader and much subtler meaning and can have a far greater variety of forms than you seem to be familiar with.

I'm a little shocked by you actually Flashy, I had thought you seemed rather decent and clever. These rants in which you seem to believe that all heterosexual people must be protected from the deeply unsettling experience of catching a fleeting glimpse of homosexual sex are evidence to the contrary.

And in any case, do you know for certain that a large proportion of the support for this segregation isn't motivated by homophobia? I suspect not.

there is a difference between that, and tolerant straight people who merely do not wish to see two gay men sucking each others cocks.

as for the site being "less easy to navigate" who are you, Magellan, who if you veer off course near Tiera Del Fuego you could wind up in the antarctic? You do not have to negotiate the Cape of Good Hope in winter for chrissakes...you have to click on the gay forum instead of the straight forum.

*DEAL WITH IT*

Now you've mentioned in other posts that you think this is merely an extension of having a Women's sub-forum.

Let me put it this way, how would you feel about a Black/interracial sex Sub-forum ? So that people disgusted (or simply "uncomfortable" as you put it) by the site of all Black or mix raced sex didn't have to have their sensitivities insulted ?

Like me I suspect you would be at the very least extremely uncomfortable with the site caving to such racism, because that is what it would be, racism. And yet there would be people who like you would make the argument, "I don't hate black people, I support equal rights, and have no problem with black people, it's just that I'm not interested in looking at black people having sex". Now for all that one might be able to accept that even that position is fair (though I don't) you can see how for every person who said that there would probably be several others who supported that segregation just because they despised Black people period (as your so fond of saying).

Besides you still haven't explained to anyone's satisfaction how graphic description and in depth discussion of gay sex and sex acts is any different to viewing gay porn, so surely you do think that Fictitious Stories should be segregated and Sex with a Large Penis etc, no?

And since you're such a fan of segregation in general I suppose when the racists on this site decide to get motivated and reach a critical mass you wont mind when all the sub-forums are further segregated into Black Sex forums, Black issues forums etc.

Seriously get real Flashy.
 
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it is not just "my way"... i suggest you look at the "how many viewers" are looking at the forums.

there are 321 viewing the straight forum, 74 viewing the Gay forum and 8 viewing the "other"

i would wager a significant portion of the 321 viewing the straight forum are happy with the change...not just me.

That is total horseshit, absolute and complete bolox, you have no idea whatsoever what even a tiny proportion of the people viewing these forums think, and pretending you do is absurd.

You don't even know how many of them are swapping between different forums.

And frankly if your argument is "there are more heteros on this site so we should get what I say we want" then you've gone from being reasonable and shouty to angry and homophobic in a single leap. Deal with it.




as for the *1* and only thread called "homoerotic scenes in straight porn", i think it is pretty obvious...if it veers into deliberate male on male sexual contact, i would say it is pretty obviously Bi, which means, it should go under gay or other.

Laughable, who're you the porn police? Everything is black and white for you isn't it. Telling.



sort of sad that you are *STILL* whining.


Again you think this attitude convinces anyone that you have an openminded attitude towards the sensitivities of other people ? You think anyone now believes you when you protest that you're not a homophobe? I'm not even saying you are one, but you're doing a damn good job imitating one.
 

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Just FYI a search for the word Lesbian brings up this many threads in the "Straight" Adult Websites sub-forum http://www.lpsg.org/search.php?searchid=8857929

I understand that not all of these threads will contain links to scenes of actual Woman on Woman sex but can someone please explain to me why threads with Lesbian content are even in this Sub-forum if we're applying the new segregationist rationale ?

Or is Lesbian sex straight now? Has it been totally appropriated for heterosexual wank fodder? Or would it be better to just drop this totally arbitrary and completely discriminatory pandering to some people's irrational disgusts and fears?
 
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Excuse me Flashy but unless your percentages mean nothing I don't think you have any real idea what homophobia is at all and have no right to lecture others on what defines a homophobe. And your definition is a specific one, focusing on mostly political and religious aspects of it and are frankly extremely American stereotypes relating to the term "Homophobe". In fact Homophobia can, and does, have a broader and much subtler meaning and can have a far greater variety of forms than you seem to be familiar with.

I'm a little shocked by you actually Flashy, I had thought you seemed rather decent and clever. These rants in which you seem to believe that all heterosexual people must be protected from the deeply unsettling experience of catching a fleeting glimpse of homosexual sex are evidence to the contrary.

And in any case, do you know for certain that a large proportion of the support for this segregation isn't motivated by homophobia? I suspect not.



Now you've mentioned in other posts that you think this is merely an extension of having a Women's sub-forum.

Let me put it this way, how would you feel about a Black/interracial sex Sub-forum ? So that people disgusted (or simply "uncomfortable" as you put it) by the site of all Black or mix raced sex didn't have to have their sensitivities insulted ?

Like me I suspect you would be at the very least extremely uncomfortable with the site caving to such racism, because that is what it would be, racism. And yet there would be people who like you would make the argument, "I don't hate black people, I support equal rights, and have no problem with black people, it's just that I'm not interested in looking at black people having sex". Now for all that one might be able to accept that even that position is fair (though I don't) you can see how for every person who said that there would probably be several others who supported that segregation just because they despised Black people period (as your so fond of saying).

Besides you still haven't explained to anyone's satisfaction how graphic description and in depth discussion of gay sex and sex acts is any different to viewing gay porn, so surely you do think that Fictitious Stories should be segregated and Sex with a Large Penis etc, no?

And since you're such a fan of segregation in general I suppose when the racists on this site decide to get motivated and reach a critical mass you wont mind when all the sub-forums are further segregated into Black Sex forums, Black issues forums etc.

Seriously get real Flashy.

so what you are saying is that if i agree with 100% of every gay right possible, yet do not wish to see gay sex, i am a homophobe?

Basically, in other words, no matter how much support or tolerance i have, if i disagree with one thing, that does not impinge on your rights at all, but merely asks for some *MILD* form of *CONSIDERATION* i am a homophobe?

So now, by your broad definition of "homophobia", which is an entirely random, all encompassing definition *ANYWAY*, the word "Homo" which means quite literally in latin ""human being", or "person"....and phobia "a very strong irrational fear or hatred of something"

so, you are accusing me of having a strong irrational fear or hatred of human beings or persons...now, i shall assume you are using homo to mean "gay" in this instance, and, as such you are accusing me of having some semblance of having a strong irrational fear or hatred of homosexuals.

so come out and say it. For all my tolerance, for all my support of the gay agenda on every level, from parenting, to military, to adoption to marriage, because i do not want to see gay sex, i know have a strong irrational fear of homosexuals.



the way you are using it means anything that conveniently describes something you disagree with about a straight persons opinion about viewing gay sex, even if i support any part of being a gay person, gay society, gay parent, gay in the military etc

Homophobia means anything you would like it to mean, if it advances your own opinion in other words. As a jew, i am more than familiar with this tactic, the way some jews throw out the words "anti-semitism" as a be all/end all attack term to any criticism of Judaism or the topics surrounding it.


Is that it?

you thought i seemed "rather decent"...but now i am not decent, because i asked for just a *minute* amount of consideration? I am not decent, even though you and others are bludgeoning straight people simply for not wanting to see gay sex, but who are comfortable in every other way dealing with gay people on every other level? Just who is not being decent here?

and as for your subdividing race into it, i have no problem seeing black people or interracial sex, as long as it is straight...*HOWEVER* in the interest of *CONVENIENCE* not delicate sensibility, many forums are divided where the adult content is divided in exactly about a dozen ways, so people can *EASILY* find what they wish to view.

I know this is a rather incredible phenomenon that only appears on about 10,000 internet adult forums.

The fact is, *YOU* have no right to call people homophobes because they disagree with you over one very minor topic of consideration and order, as opposed to the vastly larger issues at hand...

apparently, you are suggesting that it is "my way or the highway", even if people agree with 99% of your way....that is a level of intolerance that is often exhibited from the exact opposite polar view...those knuckleheads on the far right.

your insistence that somehow i am not decent, simply because i, and others asked for consideration and order, is about as ludicrous as Focus On The Family saying that gay people will destroy the world.

and yes, there is a rather large difference between a discussion about gay issues and *VIEWING* gay porn....I do not read the fictitious stories forum and do not care at all...if a gay person offers me advice on prostate massage that can help me and my girlfriend explore our sex life, there is nothing at all problematic with that...i see gay posters write over the top stuff everywhere on this forum with regards to what they would do with a certain poster sexually, or to a certain male actor if they only had the chance and it does not bother me at all...those are just words...that does *NOT* mean that i should be made to feel uncomfortable or villanized because i do not wish to see gay pornography...sorry to rain on your parade.

your ridiculous and despicable line that "And since you're such a fan of segregation in general" is totally out of bounds and offensive. Maybe that means nothing to a Briton, but segregation here is a nasty word, and the casual way you throw it around is utterly repulsive.

I still cannot believe you claim you thought i was "decent", and now you are accusing people of being segregationists and anti-gay with absolutely no indication of that whatsoever...frankly, if you are the arbiter of what is "decent", with those views, we are in just as much trouble as we would be with someone like Pat Robertson and his terms of what is "decent"

it is pathetic.

maybe you are the one who should get real if you cannot even handle a basic sense of consideration and organization in an internet forum and feel the need to resort to vile, inflammatory, incorrect, slanderous and despicable accusations.

I am sorry if you do not like me anymore simply because i was one of many members who asked for some basic sense of consideration and organization.
 

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it is not just "my way"... i suggest you look at the "how many viewers" are looking at the forums.

there are 321 viewing the straight forum, 74 viewing the Gay forum and 8 viewing the "other"

i would wager a significant portion of the 321 viewing the straight forum are happy with the change...not just me.

As other have pointed out you have no fucking idea what makes those viewing this forum happy other than yourself. Your statistics demonstrate that there are more straight people than gay people. Nice discovery Einstein.

as for who decides if a thread is "gay or straight", it is really rather simple. If two guys are performing sexual acts on each other, it is gay. if a link leads to a gay site, it is gay. if the posting is about a gay pornstar or gay videos, it is gay.

if it is a "solo" male, then, do whatever you wish in either "other" or "gay". I do not care.

as for the *1* and only thread called "homoerotic scenes in straight porn", i think it is pretty obvious...if it veers into deliberate male on male sexual contact, i would say it is pretty obviously Bi, which means, it should go under gay or other.

I used "homoerotic scenes in straight porn" as an example. For other threads that are ambiguous as to their "straightness," please take a look at the adult websites page.

But keeping with that example: Who decides when a thread "veers into deliberate male on male sexual contact," and it is time to protect the sensibilities of those of us who don't want to have to see such content? And don't they have better things to do with their time?

Just because *YOU* cannot distinguish some relatively simple themes, you are whining like a baby...you have been complaining through this whole thread about how i "won"...telling me i should let it go, when here you are, bitching and whining and moaning...i think *YOU* are the one who cannot let go, and i'd suggest you grow up, and *DEAL WITH IT*

and as for your whining about those moderators, it is not like we have Pat Robertson in charge of the moderating, genius...we have a variety of open-minded moderators, both straight, gay, bi, etc...who manage to do a rather good job. They are not deciding what you can and can't see you melodramtic fool...they are simply deciding its *LOCATION*.

sort of sad that you are *STILL* whining.

You arrogant hypocrite. You are whining as badly as anybody in this thread, and your position fucking won! I *DEAL WITH IT* by calling out this asinine, illogical turn, which panders to homophobia, for what it is.

Now you *DEAL WITH IT*
 

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That is total horseshit, absolute and complete bolox, you have no idea whatsoever what even a tiny proportion of the people viewing these forums think, and pretending you do is absurd.

You don't even know how many of them are swapping between different forums.

And frankly if your argument is "there are more heteros on this site so we should get what I say we want" then you've gone from being reasonable and shouty to angry and homophobic in a single leap. Deal with it.
i never pretended i knew what people thought...maybe you should reread what i said instead of becoming hysterical...i proffered my opinion, that i would *WAGER* that a "significant" portion of 321 people viewing the straight forum at that time were happy with the change...not just me.

"significant" is an amount or effect that is large enough to be important or affect a situation to a noticeable degree.

simple as.

and frankly, your overly presumptive attack that you even suggest that i said "there are more heteros on this site so we should get what I say we want" is also rather pathetic.

how exactly do you make the leap from wagering that a significant amount of people are happy with the change in one small part of the forum to be an open declaration that there are more heterosexuals on this site so i say we should get what we want? Talk about irrational.

you have gone from sane and rational, to furious, accusatory and irrational in a single toe-step...not even a leap.





Laughable, who're you the porn police? Everything is black and white for you isn't it. Telling.
no, i am not the porn police...i was asked my opinion about the location and gist of a thread and where it may fall in terms of categorization, i gave what in my view was an honest description of where i thought it would fall. It was hardly black and white.

I gave my definition of when a scene might be categorized as gay or bi, as opposed to straight.

it is telling that you cannot handle the opinions of others.





Again you think this attitude convinces anyone that you have an openminded attitude towards the sensitivities of other people ? You think anyone now believes you when you protest that you're not a homophobe? I'm not even saying you are one, but you're doing a damn good job imitating one.
I think it is amusing that you are accusing me of being closeminded towards others' sensitivities, when you and others here are starting a war over others' sensitivity merely because a forum was separated with order and consideration.

I do not care what people who throw around the term homophobe with such casual disregard and careless abandon think of me, especially when you do not even have the guts to make the accusation, but are couching your opinion by suggesting the imitation of a bigot, simply because you cannot be considerate of others' sensibilities on one very tiny issue of a larger picture.

I have a gay parent, i have a gay cousin and i have gay friends. I had a close friend, who was closeted, and who made a very physical sexual pass at me, 20 years ago, that destroyed our friendship and caused me great emotional distress and traumatized me completely...he had no right to do that. I had a father whose penchant for gay sex virtually destroyed my family and my mother...he had no right to do that.

I have had gays make passes at me casually when i was younger, and, to my credit, even with all the shit that i was put through in the past because of certain elements of gay sexual exposure, i still managed to be pleasant, kind, and dealt with it like a fair and decent adult, with humor, a smile and appreciation but a "thanks for the compliments but i'll take a pass"...

and even with all the shit that my experiences with the gay sex issue put me through, i *STILL* managed to be a decent person, i still support every part of the gay agenda on every single level...and the fight for equality...

the only thing i do not support is straight people, who are not comfortable seeing gay sex acts, being forced to take the risk of seeing something they do not want to which can be traumatic.

Apparently, i am now a homophobe, because i do not want to have to possibly see gay sex acts because of just how upsetting they can be to a straight person, and asked for a bit of consideration to insure that there is a safety net to help insure that i am not exposed to something i find very upsetting. You do not have the right to level baseless accusations simply because i asked for consideration, maybe you are the intolerant one here.

Nobody is telling you to get back in the closet.
Nobody is telling you to not have gay sex.
Nobody is telling you not to post videos of gay sex.
People asked for some basic consideration of their feelings.
I would think considering people that throw the term "homophobia" around so casually, might wish to think what type of effects *THEIR* comments and sensibilities might have on others.

phobia, is as stated, a strong and irrational fear or hatred of something.

My feelings towards the unwitting viewing of gay sex are indeed strong, but they are not filled with hate, and they are not irrational at all, based on my previous experiences and the very serious and at times very upsetting consequences that it can bring.

They are very real, and they are very uncomfortable for some people. The fact that you cannot even take those people's feelings in to consideration speaks more to your lack of tolerance than mine.

I say go and have and view as much gay sex as you want...i will fight for your rights to do it...in return, all i and others ask is for some *BASIC CONSIDERATION*.

I am sorry that this is such a difficult task for you...but obviously, the moderating team and site owner, made up of straights, gays, and bi's felt that consideration was not too much to ask for, and was not out of bounds.

This will be my last post in this thread, as i will no longer waste time arguing with people for whom basic consideration has now become a virtual hate crime issue and a platform for unfounded and inaccurate accusations of homophobia.

Save the accusations for people who really *ARE* out to get you and who have no compulsion about not saying it out loud.
 
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so what you are saying is that if i agree with 100% of every gay right possible, yet do not wish to see gay sex, i am a homophobe?

Basically, in other words, no matter how much support or tolerance i have, if i disagree with one thing, that does not impinge on your rights at all, but merely asks for some *MILD* form of *CONSIDERATION* i am a homophobe?

So now, by your broad definition of "homophobia", which is an entirely random, all encompassing definition *ANYWAY*, the word "Homo" which means quite literally in latin ""human being", or "person"....and phobia "a very strong irrational fear or hatred of something"


Sorry, but you're wrong, the "Homo" in Homophobia does not come from the Latin word for a human being, it is the Greek for "alike" "similar "the same", Homosexuality, literally means sexual desire for a person of the same sex.

The phobia part of Homophobia means an "irrational fear or disgust" therefore, Homophobia is literally "irrational fear or disgust for Homosexuals or homosexual sex".

so, you are accusing me of having a strong irrational fear or hatred of human beings or persons...now, i shall assume you are using homo to mean "gay" in this instance, and, as such you are accusing me of having some semblance of having a strong irrational fear or hatred of homosexuals.

so come out and say it. For all my tolerance, for all my support of the gay agenda on every level, from parenting, to military, to adoption to marriage, because i do not want to see gay sex, i know have a strong irrational fear of homosexuals.

Your reaction suggests that that you do have a strong irrational disgust for homosexual sex, which is after all what we are talking about.

Come out and say it, what is so disgusting about gay sex? Wat the hell do you think is so damn repellent about what I and other members do to get off ?



the way you are using it means anything that conveniently describes something you disagree with about a straight persons opinion about viewing gay sex, even if i support any part of being a gay person, gay society, gay parent, gay in the military etc

Homophobia means anything you would like it to mean, if it advances your own opinion in other words. As a jew, i am more than familiar with this tactic, the way some jews throw out the words "anti-semitism" as a be all/end all attack term to any criticism of Judaism or the topics surrounding it.


Is that it?

No.

you thought i seemed "rather decent"...but now i am not decent, because i asked for just a *minute* amount of consideration? I am not decent, even though you and others are bludgeoning straight people simply for not wanting to see gay sex, but who are comfortable in every other way dealing with gay people on every other level? Just who is not being decent here?

No one is bludgeoning anyone. Oh and thanks for patronising me with being so comfortable with me as long as you don't have to think about me sucking cock. Keep your comfort and admit you're disgusted by the thought of two men having sex, stop pretending to be some social liberal just because you think it's trendy or whatever.

and as for your subdividing race into it, i have no problem seeing black people or interracial sex, as long as it is straight...*HOWEVER* in the interest of *CONVENIENCE* not delicate sensibility, many forums are divided where the adult content is divided in exactly about a dozen ways, so people can *EASILY* find what they wish to view.

I know this is a rather incredible phenomenon that only appears on about 10,000 internet adult forums.

And you think this "phenomenon" as you describe it is just dandy do you? You think then that LPSG should be entirely segregated then right?

The fact is, *YOU* have no right to call people homophobes because they disagree with you over one very minor topic of consideration and order, as opposed to the vastly larger issues at hand...

apparently, you are suggesting that it is "my way or the highway", even if people agree with 99% of your way....that is a level of intolerance that is often exhibited from the exact opposite polar view...those knuckleheads on the far right.

Excuse me it's already your way or the highway apparently.

your insistence that somehow i am not decent, simply because i, and others asked for consideration and order, is about as ludicrous as Focus On The Family saying that gay people will destroy the world.

and yes, there is a rather large difference between a discussion about gay issues and *VIEWING* gay porn....I do not read the fictitious stories forum and do not care at all...if a gay person offers me advice on prostate massage that can help me and my girlfriend explore our sex life, there is nothing at all problematic with that...i see gay posters write over the top stuff everywhere on this forum with regards to what they would do with a certain poster sexually, or to a certain male actor if they only had the chance and it does not bother me at all...those are just words...that does *NOT* mean that i should be made to feel uncomfortable or villanized because i do not wish to see gay pornography...sorry to rain on your parade.

So the site should operate entirely based on what you find acceptable and on what you find comfortable ?

You don't see that this change has made other members extremely uncomfortable ? You don't think that this change indicates to some members that their sexual interests are disgusting and should be segregated from other "mainstream" interests just in case they wilt some poor heterosexual's ardour ?

You are saying that less than a few seconds glimpse of gay sex is so revolting that the possibility that any heterosexual should see it must be avoided at all costs?

your ridiculous and despicable line that "And since you're such a fan of segregation in general" is totally out of bounds and offensive. Maybe that means nothing to a Briton, but segregation here is a nasty word, and the casual way you throw it around is utterly repulsive.

If you don't like the truth that's not my fault, I used the word perfectly appropriately, if you're shocked that someone would describe your pet project in this way then perhaps you should examine your motivations and reasoning for supporting this change.

I still cannot believe you claim you thought i was "decent", and now you are accusing people of being segregationists and anti-gay with absolutely no indication of that whatsoever...frankly, if you are the arbiter of what is "decent", with those views, we are in just as much trouble as we would be with someone like Pat Robertson and his terms of what is "decent"

it is pathetic.

maybe you are the one who should get real if you cannot even handle a basic sense of consideration and organization in an internet forum and feel the need to resort to vile, inflammatory, incorrect, slanderous and despicable accusations.

I am sorry if you do not like me anymore simply because i was one of many members who asked for some basic sense of consideration and organization.



You ask for consideration for your disgust of my sexuality? No I will not give you consideration to regard what I do in bed as repulsive.

Consideration cuts both ways, yes I did think you were decent, this outburst of accusations suggests very strongly to me that my suspicions mat be correct.

Again I have to ask, why is this site pandering to the kind of veiled homophobia, and more blatant homophobia which uses Flashy's variety as cover ?
 

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i never pretended i knew what people thought...maybe you should reread what i said instead of becoming hysterical...i proffered my opinion, that i would *WAGER* that a "significant" portion of 321 people viewing the straight forum at that time were happy with the change...not just me.

If we're wagering then you realise that a large proportion of those you describe as happy with these changes are likely to be overt homophobes don't you? And that in supporting this change you have congratulated these members in their opinions don't you?


no, i am not the porn police...i was asked my opinion about the location and gist of a thread and where it may fall in terms of categorization, i gave what in my view was an honest description of where i thought it would fall. It was hardly black and white.

I gave my definition of when a scene might be categorized as gay or bi, as opposed to straight.

it is telling that you cannot handle the opinions of others.

So we'll come to you to decide which forum a thread should be segregated in to then ? Your opinion is the only one that counts?



I think it is amusing that you are accusing me of being closeminded towards others' sensitivities, when you and others here are starting a war over others' sensitivity merely because a forum was separated with order and consideration.

Consideration of other people's disgust at seeing, at most, a few seconds of gay sex is not in my nature, especially when that disgust is the very definition of homophobia.



I have a gay parent, i have a gay cousin and i have gay friends. I had a close friend, who was closeted, and who made a very physical sexual pass at me, 20 years ago, that destroyed our friendship and caused me great emotional distress and traumatized me completely...he had no right to do that. I had a father whose penchant for gay sex virtually destroyed my family and my mother...he had no right to do that.

I have had gays make passes at me casually when i was younger, and, to my credit, even with all the shit that i was put through in the past because of certain elements of gay sexual exposure, i still managed to be pleasant, kind, and dealt with it like a fair and decent adult, with humor, a smile and appreciation but a "thanks for the compliments but I'll take a pass"...

So you are admitting then that your personal irrational fears of images of gay sex which you relate to traumatic consequences are the root of your disgust of gay sex?

and even with all the shit that my experiences with the gay sex issue put me through, i *STILL* managed to be a decent person, i still support every part of the gay agenda on every single level...and the fight for equality...

the only thing i do not support is straight people, who are not comfortable seeing gay sex acts, being forced to take the risk of seeing something they do not want to which can be traumatic.

Apparently, i am now a homophobe, because i do not want to have to possibly see gay sex acts because of just how upsetting they can be to a straight person, and asked for a bit of consideration to insure that there is a safety net to help insure that i am not exposed to something i find very upsetting. You do not have the right to level baseless accusations simply because i asked for consideration, maybe you are the intolerant one here.


I'm sorry are you asking me to be grateful for your support of a gay "agenda" as you put it?

And have you any consideration for gay people who live in a world in which images of heterosexual sex are everywhere ? We have to accommodate ourselves to these images literally all the time even if those images are not to our taste, or even if they evoke unpleasant memories.

Your acting like you're actually persecuted by images of gay sex. Are you for real ? Take a walk in most gay people's shoes for a week or two and then tell me about persecution.

Nobody is telling you to get back in the closet.
Nobody is telling you to not have gay sex.
Nobody is telling you not to post videos of gay sex.
People asked for some basic consideration of their feelings.
I would think considering people that throw the term "homophobia" around so casually, might wish to think what type of effects *THEIR* comments and sensibilities might have on others.

Sorry did you even for a moment consider how your little piece of segregationist would effect them? No you were too busy thinking about how disgusting you found a few seconds of watching gay porn was.

And again if this applies to the adult forum, should gay members be expected to consider the disgust of straight members if they complain that other parts of the sight should be segregated too?



My feelings towards the unwitting viewing of gay sex are indeed strong, but they are not filled with hate, and they are not irrational at all, based on my previous experiences and the very serious and at times very upsetting consequences that it can bring.

Of course your feelings are irrational, a few seconds of gay porn are not happening to you, or anywhere near you, you experiences have given you a phobia, it may not be something you've ever realised but its the same as if you consciously hated gay sex.




I am sorry that this is such a difficult task for you...but obviously, the moderating team and site owner, made up of straights, gays, and bi's felt that consideration was not too much to ask for, and was not out of bounds.

This will be my last post in this thread, as i will no longer waste time arguing with people for whom basic consideration has now become a virtual hate crime issue and a platform for unfounded and inaccurate accusations of homophobia.

Save the accusations for people who really *ARE* out to get you and who have no compulsion about not saying it out loud.



I'm truly appalled that you think I should live with the consideration that other people are disgusted by me, and lets be clear, this is not simply about you or your feelings or about me or my feelings.

This change accepts that some portion of LPSG members are entitled to find gays and gay sex disgusting, and though you may protest that this is not your position, this is what the change indicates none the less.

This is a precedent, and next time some one will be accusing me of reverse bigotry and attempting to emotionally blackmail me with their personal traumas about homosexuality who stand out as they supposedly "acceptable" face of aversion to homosexuals or homosexual sex and eventually gay members voices will be drowned out by the chorus of members saying "you can't call us Homophobes, that's bigoted, we're entitled to hate you and you can't oppose us for it without us painting you
as militant homo-fascists."
 

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... in this thread he also suggested that I must be some kind of closet-case if I find this change objectionable and define myself as "straight." Of course, what kind of "real" straight man isn't repulsed by images of gay sex and needs to be protected from seeing such things when he is surfing for porn? (on a website dedicated to large penises no less)

So lame.
 

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you know hilaire...i said that was my last post in this thread...i was wrong since i found something that you wrote...ironically, in a thread about people possibly being subjected to something they found disgusting, and were unfairly subjected to...

you thought it was "funny" when people were subjected to something incredibly uncomfortable, and you seemed to not have any problem that they might find it disgusting or traumatising...because it seemed "benign"...(obviously, videotaping women, in public, being exposed to a flasher, who deliberately videotapes them, loads it to the internet, where it then appears on millions of sex sites is just so "benign"...no possible unfairness there...) then, for some strange reason, you echoed *EXACTLY* my sentiments about not being subjected to certain things, because it *IS* in fact some big deal, and not at all the benign little brush-off you said it was.

you then said that some people would in fact be "disturbed" or in my words (traumatized, upset, disgusted, etc. etc.)

you said that those reactions were not shown...why? Because they would not, in fact be funny (or harmless)

your hypocrisy is listed in the second part of your post below.

http://www.lpsg.org/2469734-post17.html

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and never mind that if something is hot, you don't care "what age they are". I'll assume you were just being facetious, but i personally do not think that watching minors, straight or gay, to be something that is not rather disturbing.

http://www.lpsg.org/2453539-post26.html

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you have no right to tell other people that they are wrong to find something disgusting or traumatizing, or unsafe...especially, when you have admitted that you love "danger" both sexually and in life. You do not get to subject people to what *YOU* want...people deserve a *CHOICE*.

http://www.lpsg.org/158620-tops-what-scenes-get-you-post2447112.html#post2447112

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you have no right to tell people what they find shocking, disgusting or extreme. you obviously have your standards, and others have theirs...if there is much more freaky shit out there, as you say, then obviously there is *SOMETHING* you find shocking or disgusting...and if that is the case, who are you to say what those people are doing is disgusting, but demanding that other people don't find what *YOU* do to be disgusting?

http://www.lpsg.org/2442728-post6.html

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clearly, although i did not watch the video, you seemed to enjoy the fact that the bottom, i am guessing in the video you linked, may be in serious pain, and unable to take what he is receiving...you suggested he may be acting...but what if he is not? You thought it was a hot fantasy...to what? be subjected to painful anal sex that you cannot stand?

how is that different from causing a woman extreme pain and not stopping? Be it fantasy or reality...

http://www.lpsg.org/2414434-post77.html

some people might consider the hurting of other people for pleasure to be rather shocking or disgusting...but you find at least the fantasy aspect of it "hot".

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you clearly found something upsetting about a thread/movie i would not watch, that involved some form of tit torture on women...

http://www.lpsg.org/2348997-post6.html

obviously, you believed there was something disturbing, to the point where you questioned why anyone could do that....and Silver Train found it disturbing enough that he called it not a fetish but "aggravated assault"

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and you and others who complained about straights whining about possibly getting turned off because they might see a gay thread, or video or link, did not seem to have any problem pointing out that many gay guys get immediately turned off by seeing a woman


http://www.lpsg.org/2343677-post25.html

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oh...and just a hint...when you find a film "hot" that depicts the rape fantasy of several big strong tattooed gay guys, who pick up a "god hates fags" type of bigoted protester (actor) and then violently gang rape him (acting) while taunting his religious beliefs (however absurd they are) with lines like "get ready for the second coming" and "where's your god now"? You may just have a higher threshold then those others of us who *MIGHT* find that just a *BIT* upsetting...religious, straight or gay...as evidenced by the two gay posters in that thread, one of whom, Vinyl Boy who gave a thoughtful response about *PRECISELY* the kind of troubling issues that video raises, and the other gay poster who quite matter of factly said "what a horrible concept for a movie...not even clicking that".

so i guess it is not just straights that can find gay sex troubling if it involves very nasty topics, much in the same way that straights could find straight sex troubling if it involved similar rape aspects.



http://www.lpsg.org/148161-bareback-abduction-2-conversion-chase.html#post2312265

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so, presumably, maybe *NOW* you understand, that most people, find a variety of things disgusting, even you.

So, you have absolutely no right to tell straight posters they cannot be disgusted or disturbed or made uncomfortable by gay sex, if that is what causes them to be disgusted, revolted, upset, shocked, traumatized etc.


and you have the nerve to get angry because i might find something disgusting? please hop off that gigantic pedestal you are sitting on, so you can hoist yourself on your own petard


argument over...i guess it is okay to possibly traumatize or upset some people, as long as it is something that you, personally like doing, right?

*THIS* is the last post now that your double standard has been exposed.

my participation in this thread, is officially over...now that the hypocrisy has been revealed.
 

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I find all kinds of things disgusting, I don't insist that others consider my disgusts as of any importance. I do not insist that videos of things I do not like be segregated in order to save me the trouble of having to ignore them or click away from them. Nor am I insisting that anyone enjoy the things I enjoy or be subjected to them against their will. No one has actually been subjected to material they find disgusting, the click of a mouse and your admission that you haven't even watched most of the videos you mentioned rather prove that point.

You do insist that your own disgusts be considered, I don't, it's that simple. I don't like scat sex, it disgusts me, but do I insist that my disgust should be considered by those who do enjoy scat sex ? No I do not.

I'm presuming you spent a lot of time on that little piece of irrelevant stalking, and I'm assuming that you feel extremely exercised about this issue. But you should remember the site has respected your disgusts, you have what you want, your feelings have been considered.

The feelings of others have not. You can paint me how you like. I'm pretty convinced now that you are not at all the person I had thought you were.
 
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Oh P.S. is anyone going to address the point that apparently the host of Lesbian scenes linked to in this Sub-forum have been coopted as "Straight" just because straight men get their jollies from looking a woman on woman sex?

You can't have it both ways surely?
 
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