September 30, 1955

[B_blueonblue1964]

September 30, 1955---James Dean died in that car crash in California. Hard to believe he'd now be 80 years old had he lived. I think every gay man has had a crush on the idol at one point or another. Whenever we put on a pair of Levis and a T-shirt, we think we have become the legend. His hair style influenced a generation (still does), his style changed our style forever, his beauty was a contrast to his rebellious nature. Some wanted to punch him, some wanted to hold him. We all wanted to be him, if only for a brief moment. There is Elvis, there is Brando, there is Clift---They all were influenced in some way by Dean.

 

[HappyBoi]

Who?

 

[B_blueonblue1964]

Who?

Seriously? I thought EVERYone knows who James Dean was...Ah, well, Google 1950's movie actor James Dean....Or East Of Eden (1955), or Rebel Without A Cause (1955), or Giant (1956).

 

[chugsybby]

He was definitely a gorgeous guy.

 

[Errol_Sin]

There is Elvis, there is Brando, there is Clift---They all were influenced
in some way by Dean.

Some serious proof, please.


Talkin' about Montgomery Clift: he was born in 1920 and in no way influenced by the younger JD. Monty was a better actor, and - for me- hotter than Mr. Dean. Watch him in 'Red River'
or 'From Here to Eternity' - and compare these flicks with a teeny bopper drama like 'Rebel Without a Cause'...



PS:

Of course, Dean was a faster driver than Clift.... :drive:
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[B_blueonblue1964]

Some serious proof, please.


Talkin' about Montgomery Clift: he was born in 1920 and in no way influenced by the younger JD. Monty was a better actor, and - for me- hotter than Mr. Dean. Watch him in 'Red River'
or 'From Here to Eternity' - and compare these flicks with a teeny bopper drama like 'Rebel Without a Cause'...



PS:

Of course, Dean was a faster driver than Clift.... :drive:
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:asshole:

 

[Errol_Sin]

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Ontopic:


To be fair, and despite the fact that Dean was never in the Clift & Brando-League:


............ As an actor in commercials he was nevertheless not sooo bad...

............ James Dean - Driving PSA - YouTube

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[B_stu.kay823]

Who?

I ought to slap you. (and Id do so with some pleasure) Then again, I was talking to somebody a few days ago who didn't know who Bob Geldof was ....

 

[B_blueonblue1964]

Do yourself a favor, you younger men, read "On The Road" by Jack Kerouac, listen to Bob Dylan's CDs, watch James Dean's 3 movies, and (for an added bonus) read anything and everything by John Steinbeck! Then, get out there and travel cross country at least twice!

 

[B_liono]

While I do admire James Dean (and yet have to this day never seen one of his films). I think something that needs to be kept in mind is that my generation is past the glory of the films of the 50s, sure some do know them and do like them (myself included). But what is classic to one, may not be to another. About the person who was shocked about Bob Geldof, I have to say never heard of the man.

I think the way I see film classics has to do with what names will people remember 50 plus years from when it was made. Example, The Wizard of Oz, it is still widely popular and well known 70 years after it was made. I haven't met many who have never heard of it. Out of the 40s, 50s, and 60s the classics I can think of are Singin' in the Rain, Citizen Kane, Ben Hur, Lawrence of Arabia, Casablanca, just to name a few. Whereas there are so many movies made each year, not all of the classics from back then and the ones that are being made now will stand that test of memory. This will be true for the 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s, and so forth. I can bet Star Wars and the Godfather (though I think this one has more of a cult standing) will still be popular and well known in the 2020s and beyond, as will Titanic in the 2040s and beyond.

I think the reason a lot of the classics seem gone from the memory of my generation, or having never entered it to begin with is due to the fact that all of those films seem to have entirely different manners of how people act and interact with one another today, society has changed, whenever I think of the era my parents grew up in, it seems quite alien and almost as if it belongs to a foreign country with its entirely separate culture to me. With that though, I also find those films fascinating and I myself love the classics.

But just my attempt on saying James Dean was cool, and soapboxing a bit of I hear you on they are classics, but don't be generationalist, we have a lot of ignorance to those times, and there doesn't seem to be any revival movement to educate or give insight to the society and culture of then so it remains elusive and unheard of in many ways.

 

[psguy64]

seriously?

i thought everyone knows who james dean was...ah, well, google 1950's movie actor james dean....or east of eden (1955), or rebel without a cause (1955), or giant (1956).

seriously

 

[Errol_Sin]

Do yourself a favor, you younger men, read....

....William Faulkner ('Absalom, Absalom!), Henry Miller ('Tropic of Cancer'), Dos Passos ('Manhattan Transfer'), Joseph Conrad ('The Secret Agent'), Graham Greene ('Brighton Rock'), Vladimir Nabokov ('Bend Sinister'), Eugene O'Neill ('Long Day's Journey Into Night'), Malcolm Lowry ('Under the Volcano'), Charles Bukowski ('Notes of a dirty old man')....


...and watch some classics with Robert Mitchum ('Out of the Past'), Humphrey Bogart ('Maltese Falcon'); flicks from Kenneth Anger ('Inauguration of the Pleasure Dome'), Samuel Fuller ('The Naked Kiss'), Alfred Hitchcock ('Vertigo'), John Cassavetes ('The Killing of a Chinese Bookie') Sam Peckinpah ('Wild Bunch'), John Boorman ('Deliverance').



.......................... Amen & end of the excursus ,, :smokin:


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[D_John Quicky Adams]

While I do admire James Dean (and yet have to this day never seen one of his films). I think something that needs to be kept in mind is that my generation is past the glory of the films of the 50s, sure some do know them and do like them (myself included). But what is classic to one, may not be to another. About the person who was shocked about Bob Geldof, I have to say never heard of the man.

I think the way I see film classics has to do with what names will people remember 50 plus years from when it was made. Example, The Wizard of Oz, it is still widely popular and well known 70 years after it was made. I haven't met many who have never heard of it. Out of the 40s, 50s, and 60s the classics I can think of are Singin' in the Rain, Citizen Kane, Ben Hur, Lawrence of Arabia, Casablanca, just to name a few. Whereas there are so many movies made each year, not all of the classics from back then and the ones that are being made now will stand that test of memory. This will be true for the 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s, and so forth. I can bet Star Wars and the Godfather (though I think this one has more of a cult standing) will still be popular and well known in the 2020s and beyond, as will Titanic in the 2040s and beyond.

I think the reason a lot of the classics seem gone from the memory of my generation, or having never entered it to begin with is due to the fact that all of those films seem to have entirely different manners of how people act and interact with one another today, society has changed, whenever I think of the era my parents grew up in, it seems quite alien and almost as if it belongs to a foreign country with its entirely separate culture to me. With that though, I also find those films fascinating and I myself love the classics.

But just my attempt on saying James Dean was cool, and soapboxing a bit of I hear you on they are classics, but don't be generationalist, we have a lot of ignorance to those times, and there doesn't seem to be any revival movement to educate or give insight to the society and culture of then so it remains elusive and unheard of in many ways.

Word!:biggrin1: To the guy who said they would slap someone because they didn't know who james dean was please tell me who the fuck is bob geldof. I don't think you should try to call someone out just because they wasn't born during the same time period as you

 

[B_blueonblue1964]

I haven't seen Titanic {I think the public was duped in to seeing that flick due to the marketing that the $400 million campaign bought}---I was in Los Angeles during the time that that flick was made and marketed. The PR leading up to its release was a fraud. Everyone wanted to see that flick because the PR suits & ties conned the media in to believing it was a $400 million venture. People saw it out of curiosity.
The media was played by the PR department (READ: FREE ADVERTISING).
As for The Wizard of Oz---Yes, it's a classic. I love it. Why is it so widly known? Because it's shown on TV at least once a year. PR!
I saw the original Star Wars all those years ago----I hated it! I glanced at it's sequels---CRAP!
Citizen Kane is one of my favorite movies----maybe my all-time favorite.
The younger generation amazes me----They have access to the world with the Internet....Yet many of them think Tennessee Williams was a country singer from the 1950s! There is no reason for the younger generation not to know who Bob Geldof is! Maybe they should spend more time Googling our culture and less time Googling porn...My generation was taught with encyclopedias, dictionaries, and libraries. We didn't have the luxury of the Internet. Plus, with the History Channel, National Geographic Channel, and Discovery Channel, the younger generation has no excuse to be uneducated. They're simply lazy, not interested, and not curious. :frown1:

 

[spoon]

I ought to slap you. (and Id do so with some pleasure) Then again, I was talking to somebody a few days ago who didn't know who Bob Geldof was ....

that happened to me a few years ago, was talking about the song "i don't like mondays" the person i was talking to was 23 or 24. then i started mentioning stuff that bob geldof had done. i just got a blank stare.

 

[D_John Quicky Adams]

I haven't seen Titanic {I think the public was duped in to seeing that flick due to the marketing that the $400 million campaign bought}---I was in Los Angeles during the time that that flick was made and marketed. The PR leading up to its release was a fraud. Everyone wanted to see that flick because the PR suits & ties conned the media in to believing it was a $400 million venture. People saw it out of curiosity.
The media was played by the PR department (READ: FREE ADVERTISING).
As for The Wizard of Oz---Yes, it's a classic. I love it. Why is it so widly known? Because it's shown on TV at least once a year. PR!
I saw the original Star Wars all those years ago----I hated it! I glanced at it's sequels---CRAP!
Citizen Kane is one of my favorite movies----maybe my all-time favorite.
The younger generation amazes me----They have access to the world with the Internet....Yet many of them think Tennessee Williams was a country singer from the 1950s! There is no reason for the younger generation not to know who Bob Geldof is! Maybe they should spend more time Googling our culture and less time Googling porn...My generation was taught with encyclopedias, dictionaries, and libraries. We didn't have the luxury of the Internet. Plus, with the History Channel, National Geographic Channel, and Discovery Channel, the younger generation has no excuse to be uneducated. They're simply lazy, not interested, and not curious. :frown1:

Damn,generalizing like a motherfucker huh? Not every young person sits on there ass and watch that bullshit thats on MTV all day you know

 

[B_blueonblue1964]

Damn,generalizing like a motherfucker huh? Not every young person sits on there ass and watch that bullshit thats on MTV all day you know

85% of college students plan to move back home after they graduate.

 

[Bbucko]

I'm sorta surprised that some members here have never heard of James Dean, either. He was certainly an icon to the gay community when I was coming of age and he'd already been dead for ~20 years by that point.

There is some controversy, though, as to how long he could have remained a star in Hollywood. He was notoriously difficult to work with: sullen, moody and frequently late or otherwise uncooperative. His death proved to be a box-office bonanza, as his last two (of three total) films were released posthumously; I frankly doubt that he could have carried out the pace and pressures of stardom.

That, of course, in no way diminishes his overwhelming charisma.

 

[mikey41]

Back to James Dean: no doubt an excellent fuck.

 

[B_liono]

I graduated I got the hell out. That aside, which has nothing to do with anything nor anyone's business, you're right PR has a lot to do with movie success and popularity. I still say Titanic was damn good.

As for the whole, my gen did this, we had to do this and this plus that, which you guys (the next gen) never did, great, more power to you and whoever had to do it that way. Yes, we have the internet, but it is too large a resource and too time consuming to search out the 50s culture, one simple google search wouldn't begin to cover nor could possibly elicit all a culture has to offer and had experienced. So you can call that lazy or whatever. I'm interested enough, in that I like to watch classic films, a simple name throw-out doesn't garner my interest enough to avidly look up whomever it is, a good synopsis of a person and what great work they do/did however would be. But remember, not only does my gen have the internet, so does yours, it's not an exclusive network of information to my gen, so with that said, what culture of my gen's have you looked up? Don't discount all my gen has done so far as utterly amounting to nothing, we have our gems too. This discussion is definitely the archetype of a two-way street.

We all could go on waving about how our gen is better than the other, or has more this or that, but it's still all a pointless bit of banter. Every gen's gen before it bemoans what a lost cause the next gen is, the gen before yours bemoaned how the youth were ruined with rock and roll, the hippies, greasers, etc. Your gen bemoans how mine is lazy, and whatever else spit tongue remarks that just keep getting repeated again and again with each gen to come, I've noticed even my gen bemoans the gen after us. But just because my gen, supposedly doesn't have to do all the hard work you had to with your gen, is just being foolish to complain about, sorry technology advanced and we don't have to belabor the same way. We do belabor just differently. Keep in mind your gen didn't have to do the same hard work the previous gen before yours did either, with the hardships of the great depression, dust bowl (a bit too previous perhaps), not having the full advent of vaccines, etc. No gen is better than any other gen, no one is better than any other person, it's okay to be proud of what your gen made, produced, and accomplished, but don't be a dick about it.