Serious challenge to the Gay guys

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Like gay men made up the labels in the first place. *in steroetypical falsetto* "Let's call ourselves 'gay' cause it sounds so nice when you use it to modify 'bashing.'"

Straight, however, was meant to connotate "undeviating." If you find that doesn't suit because of the variety of your interests I think the het term for str8 but kinky is "twisted."
 

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fortiesfun said:
Like gay men made up the labels in the first place. *in steroetypical falsetto* "Let's call ourselves 'gay' cause it sounds so nice when you use it to modify 'bashing.'"

Straight, however, was meant to connotate "undeviating." If you find that doesn't suit because of the variety of your interests I think the het term for str8 but kinky is "twisted."

In my most basso profundo - actually gay men did.

Gay had been used since the nineteenth century to refer to anyone of any orientation whose sexual practices did not conform to the moral norm. Gay was the adjective of choice in the gay rights movement because homosexual was classified as a mental illness until 1973.

Straight in the sexual context was coined by gay men in the middle of the last century to refer to gay men going "straight".

Still it's better than being a breeder.
 

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Lordpendragon said:
In my most basso profundo - actually gay men did.

Gay had been used since the nineteenth century to refer to anyone of any orientation whose sexual practices did not conform to the moral norm. Gay was the adjective of choice in the gay rights movement because homosexual was classified as a mental illness until 1973.

Straight in the sexual context was coined by gay men in the middle of the last century to refer to gay men going "straight".

Still it's better than being a breeder.

let's make it royal.

straight = king
gay = queen
bi = (will leave this one open)

toodles. the queen.
 

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I think the good Lord's objection here is that the word str8 comes with the unwelcomed connotation of "boring." And while it doesn't seem to be the case on these boards, i think it holds true for the masses that most hetero men are indeed BORING in bed. So, what he needs is not something to distinguish him from the gays so much, as something to distinguish him from the other str8s. I advocate "heterotic"
 

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Lordpendragon said:
In my most basso profundo - actually gay men did.

Gay had been used since the nineteenth century to refer to anyone of any orientation whose sexual practices did not conform to the moral norm. Gay was the adjective of choice in the gay rights movement because homosexual was classified as a mental illness until 1973.

Straight in the sexual context was coined by gay men in the middle of the last century to refer to gay men going "straight".

Still it's better than being a breeder.

Because you have the best avatar on the site, that wonderful Aubrey Beardsley illustration for Lysistrata, you can be forgiven for your dubious etymology. As you correctly note, by the time the "gay" became the adjective of choice in the '70s it had been in use for well over a century to mean anyone of loose morals, especially prostitutes of either gender. source. Its specific application to imply "sexual deviance" reflects a judgment that was most certainly placed upon, and not chosen by, homosexual men. That they sought to politically redeem it by ironically appropriating it, as they are now doing with "queer," as in "queer studies," does not mean they picked it in the first place.

"Straight," of course, derives from the Biblical reference to walking the "straight and narrow path." (Matthew 7:14) It is possible that Matthew was gay in which case your surmise would be correct :smile: , but the references to "going straight" have been in use for a very long time in relation to anyone who "turned away from sin" in any form. I know of no reliable commentator that suggests gay men first used this term about their "reformed" brethren, because (in part) that would suggest that gay men internalized and concurred with a judgment about their sinfulness.

"Otherness" is rarely chosen, it is almost always imposed.

I apologize for taking this seriously, of course, since I would listen to your basso profundo say anything, but I like it best when you whisper in my ear...
 

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Because you have the best avatar on the site, that wonderful Aubrey Beardsley illustration for Lysistrata, you can be forgiven for your dubious etymology.

"Otherness" is rarely chosen, it is almost always imposed.

I apologize for taking this seriously, of course, since I would listen to your basso profundo say anything, but I like it best when you whisper in my ear...

Because you have a magnificent penis, you can be forgiven for taking this seriously.

I happily stand shoulder to shoulder with you in the otherness camp - if more muffmen like me would come out in this respect, entymology would be just another misused word. :wink:
 

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Lordpendragon said:
Because you have a magnificent penis, you can be forgiven for taking this seriously.

I happily stand shoulder to shoulder with you in the otherness camp - if more muffmen like me would come out in this respect, entymology would be just another misused word. :wink:

Ah, now your making me blush. :redface: Non-conformity rocks.
 

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fortiesfun said:
Ah, now your making me blush. :redface: Non-conformity rocks.

You two guys are so cute! :smile: And your cocks will look so sweet next to each other as well! I just checked! :biggrin1: I think I'm even a tad bit jealous! :cool:

Seriously, I have never felt comfortable with the term 'gay', and definitely not with 'homosexual' - if anything I prefer 'queer' or 'bent' - and that only for lack of better words. I usually avoid any of those terms and simply say I prefer guys. -- I'm just a guy who prefer guys, that's all.
An acquaintance of mine used to say: 'I'm post-gay.' He sure has got a good point there. - It just crossed my mind also that maybe there are lotsa 'post-straight' people around as well. :scratchchin:
 

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You two guys are so cute! :smile: And your cocks will look so sweet next to each other as well! I just checked! :biggrin1: I think I'm even a tad bit jealous! :cool:

- It just crossed my mind also that maybe there are lotsa 'post-straight' people around as well. :scratchchin:

There's a bad cockatoo joke here somewhere but I daren't look.

Post-straight is certainly interesting though sounds a bit like prostate :eek:

It is a bit ironic to want a label that is effectively an anti-label - I would like to be able to say I am more than these single dimensions. As cube is to square so ? is to straight.

Perhaps the wise and gentle David is correct.
 

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tygrrr said:
You two guys are so cute! :smile: And your cocks will look so sweet next to each other as well!
Thanks for the compliment. I wish they were next to each other, but alas, that is not Pendragon's scene.

Seriously, I have never felt comfortable with the term 'gay', and definitely not with 'homosexual' - if anything I prefer 'queer'
Me, too, but that is in part because it is in wide use as a larger umbrella term, meaning any kind of sexual non-conformist, of which "gay" would be a sub-group, as would bi, as would (presumably) those like Pendragon who have unspecified by probably kinky interests.

Post-straight is such a terrific idea. Unfortunately I think it could imply "straight as a post" instead of "straight is so last century." Post-gay worked better.

Pendragon has taught me, however, that straight is the new gay. Perhaps that makes him gr8.
 

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fortiesfun said:
Thanks for the compliment. I wish they were next to each other, but alas, that is not Pendragon's scene.
Scene or not scene, I think it's cute to think of anyway. :rolleyes: He said he would stand shoulder to shoulder with you, and to do that you can't exactly leave your cocks in the opposite corners of that otherness camp! (I hope!) :biggrin1:

fortiesfun said:
Post-straight is such a terrific idea. Unfortunately I think it could imply "straight as a post" instead of "straight is so last century." Post-gay worked better.

Pendragon has taught me, however, that straight is the new gay. Perhaps that makes him gr8.

No, 'straight as a post' was not exactly what I had in mind. And now it won't work anyway, since expressions like 'post-straight Mr. Postlethwaite's prostate' keeps coming to mind :eek:
We're even past the 'post-gay' period by now also for sure. Man I'm starting to feel like I've lived for a while! :cool: But I feel better instantly thinking about gr8 ones like you and Lpd - and all of the other gr8 m8s I've found here! :wink:

PS. Spoogesicle, I'll need to keep an eye on you if we're ever in the same room! :biggrin1:
 

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I was looking in the mirror, I went to comb my hair
I tried to find my label, but I found it wasn’t there
A disastrous melodrama, to find that I’m without
How will people know what I am?
How will they work it out?

We each are given a label, to designate our kind
And I’ve been given so many over the years, you’d think that I’d know mine
The problem with my labels, is none of them ever stuck
Kept falling off where ever I went
Typical, just my luck

As a child, I was labeled a Christian, so all others would know
Exactly what to expect of me, but over the years I’d grow
Still got my faith in God, it’s just the church I can’t respect.
I challenged too many doctrines
Now I’m a Bible thumped reject.

New label in my later teens, I became a computer geek
Internet and web design, multi-media, Star Trek
But I’ve never lived in my parent’s basement, or had a crush on Lara Croft
I didn’t live up to that one either
Must be why it fell off

And then the revolution came; I realized I was gay
At last, a label to live up to, surely this one’s got to stay?
But I don’t act camp, or mince around, got terrible taste in clothes
And gay men always think I’m straight
That label rarely shows

Then an idea occurred to me, I found the answer to my woes
Since my labels never stick I’d make my own, be sure it shows
So I pondered on exactly what my label ought to be
I’ve picked it now, I hope it stays
My label, is ME