Seth Rich "murder Conspiracy" Started By Ellen Ratner, Not Russia

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Ed Butowsky was told by Ellen Ratner that Seth Rich was the one who leaked the DNC emails.

She publicly claims here how Julian Assange told her that he received the emails from an "inside source" or someone close to the campaign.

Here is Assange hinting very strongly that Seth Rich was the leaker or his source for the emails.


Ed Butowsky claims that Ratner told him personally that Assange admitted that it was Seth Rich who leaked him the DNC emails.

He says that he has kept an email where Ratner candidly makes this very claim to him about Seth Rich being the leaker.

Ellen has recanted and claimed that she never told Butowsky about who the leaker was.

So Butowsky is now suing Ratner, so I assume that more of this case will come to light and Ratner may well be forced to tell the truth.

This is a very detailed and quite thorough interview of Butowsky by a journalist that I admire and respect.


Butowsky does come off as a tiny bit odd but he seems very lucid and speaks in a matter of fact way that is easy to understand. I think he explains his position quite succinctly and quite clearly.

Yahoo News has no idea what they are typing, reporting or dreaming up. Their assertion that Russia is somehow behind this is pure fiction & based on nonsense.

I can tell you definitively that Ratner and Assange know each other quite well professionally speaking... she is very well liked and trusted as a journalist. She is a likeable person who makes friends easy... she no doubt charmed Assange and he most likely did spill the beans off "off the record" with who leaked him the DNC emails.

But whether Ed Butowsky is telling the truth or not we will see (with the outcome of his case against Ratner).

Butowsky feels that he has a case against Ratner so I for one, will be interested to see how the it turns out.

A settlement out-of-court would be a real bummer IMHO.
 

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Well the simple fact that this "talk radio host" which in NO WAY makes her any kind of "authority" on this subject is on Fox news who have been flogging this bullshit from day one, Sean Hannity as much as anyone if not more so is enough to tell me she is full of shit on this and probably anything else.

She says she "knows" because Julian Assange told her, like he would NEVER "lie" about how he got ----

Of course he is lying that is what a good little cutout would do .

That is the whole point of using cutouts in the first place

If he were to stop lying he would probably, "mysteriously" all the sudden end up DEAD

Like so MANY others have

It may be literally true that "Russians did not start" this "conspiracy" but they no doubt picked it up and ran with it and ran with it and ran with. Facebook Twitter, Instagram Youtube, likes and sharing and retweets and all that other social media bullshit is how it got spread far and wide which of course Fox news at every step of the way has picked up and re-amplified, a self fulfilling perpetual motion machine.

The vast majority of the people who have ever even heard of "Seth Rich" have due to this effort

It is much the same as the way Trumpians and right wingers in general when it comes to "birtherism" always want to blame it ALL on "the Democrats, Democrats" in general and the HRC 20008 campaign in particular .

Yes it is true that a few lower level staffers, kicked around the idea that MAYBE he was not borne in HI. but that lasted weeks at best. Once the birth announcements in the paper were found and he released his short form BC and the sitting Governor of HI who just happened to be a REPUBLICAN attested to it's validity that was the end of that as far as any Democrat was concerned it was not until Donald Trump picked it up and ran with it and ran with it that most people had ever even heard of the "issue"

Here is a pretty basic question all you conspirators need to answer

If Seth Rich "did it"
 
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The point is that this is where the FOX News stories started.

It may be literally true that "Russians did not start" this "conspiracy" but they no doubt picked it up and ran with it and ran with it and ran with. Facebook Twitter, Instagram Youtube, likes and sharing and retweets and all that other social media bullshit is how it got spread far and wide which of course Fox news at every step of the way has picked up and re-amplified, a self fulfilling perpetual motion machine.

The story originated with two FOX News contributors. It was FOX News who gave this story mainstream legs.

There never needed to be any Russian involvement... this need and desire to see Russians under every bed is really rather ridiculous. The assertions that Russia was behind this are as unfounded as the assertion that the Colin Kaepernick debate was stoked by Russians.

How in the hell would these Russians be even able to get their social media posts even seen by anyone? The algorithms that choose what content people see are incredibly difficult to harness to one's own advantage. Only a small portion of "influencers" can use these algorithms to get their posts seen by wide amounts of viewers... I've never seen a fucking Russian influencer. Have YOU? The "Russians" have ZERO ability to influence American public opinion... not even hot Russian women. Hot Russian "influencers" have accounts that are about a tenth as popular as a similar American influencers and there are a tiny amount of those Russian Instagram model "influencers" compared to American influencers.

Add to those Instagram models a few Russian hockey players that play for Canadian and American teams... and THAT IS IT.

That is the extent of "Russian Influence". It's a preposterous notion and one that isn't born out by any actual evidence... it's all just fearful xenophobia.

The Seth Rich story had an online life through blogs, Youtube and Periscope that was discussed among the Bernie voters. bernie voters were waiting for someone close to the Clinton campaign to be murdered and voila! Seth Rich IMMEDIATELY got our attention...

and then there was the FOX News Sean Hannity bullshit that was ultimately the result of Ellen Ratner's interview with Assange and her candid discussions with Ed Butowsky. Both Ellen and Ed are FOX News contributors... FOX News NEVER needed to become interested in this story via the preposterous notion of "Russian bots"... the story originated from two FOX News contributors.

The Yahoo News article that pinned this on Russia was a crock of shit.

Of course he is lying that is what a good little cutout would do .

That is the whole point of using cutouts in the first place

This is a conspiracy theory and an allegation without any evidence whatsoever. When you have ACTUAL evidence of this... let me know. Right now, you're running on intuition and or the assertions of others... and I don't trust your intuition at all. Your intuition is faulty.
 

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The point is that this is where the FOX News stories started.



The story originated with two FOX News contributors. It was FOX News who gave this story mainstream legs.

There never needed to be any Russian involvement... this need and desire to see Russians under every bed is really rather ridiculous. The assertions that Russia was behind this are as unfounded as the assertion that the Colin Kaepernick debate was stoked by Russians.

How in the hell would these Russians be even able to get their social media posts even seen by anyone? The algorithms that choose what content people see are incredibly difficult to harness to one's own advantage. Only a small portion of "influencers" can use these algorithms to get their posts seen by wide amounts of viewers... I've never seen a fucking Russian influencer. Have YOU? The "Russians" have ZERO ability to influence American public opinion... not even hot Russian women. Hot Russian "influencers" have accounts that are about a tenth as popular as a similar American influencers and there are a tiny amount of those Russian Instagram model "influencers" compared to American influencers.

Add to those Instagram models a few Russian hockey players that play for Canadian and American teams... and THAT IS IT.

That is the extent of "Russian Influence". It's a preposterous notion and one that isn't born out by any actual evidence... it's all just fearful xenophobia.

The Seth Rich story had an online life through blogs, Youtube and Periscope that was discussed among the Bernie voters. bernie voters were waiting for someone close to the Clinton campaign to be murdered and voila! Seth Rich IMMEDIATELY got our attention...

and then there was the FOX News Sean Hannity bullshit that was ultimately the result of Ellen Ratner's interview with Assange and her candid discussions with Ed Butowsky. Both Ellen and Ed are FOX News contributors... FOX News NEVER needed to become interested in this story via the preposterous notion of "Russian bots"... the story originated from two FOX News contributors.

The Yahoo News article that pinned this on Russia was a crock of shit.



This is a conspiracy theory and an allegation without any evidence whatsoever. When you have ACTUAL evidence of this... let me know. Right now, you're running on intuition and or the assertions of others... and I don't trust your intuition at all. Your intuition is faulty.

And speaking of a theory with no evidence . . . but I digress. The goal of a "Russian influencer" is not to be noticed as such. It is called stealth. Thus, seeing it on line one would not know the source - that is kind of the point.
 

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And speaking of a theory with no evidence . . . but I digress. The goal of a "Russian influencer" is not to be noticed as such. It is called stealth. Thus, seeing it on line one would not know the source - that is kind of the point.

You are not understanding what I am typing. Random Instagram and Twitter accounts do NOT GET SEEN because their random nature doesn't trigger the proper algorithms that will allow their content to be seen.

Only bigtime influencers get their posts seen. If someone with 250 followers (who are also Russian agents or bots) tweets something... NOBODY WILL SEE IT BECAUSE ALL OF THEIR FOLLOWERS ARE RUSSIAN AGENTS OR BOT ACCOUNTS. Bots cannot become influencers... it's physically impossible.
 

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You are not understanding what I am typing. Random Instagram and Twitter accounts do NOT GET SEEN because their random nature doesn't trigger the proper algorithms that will allow their content to be seen.

Only bigtime influencers get their posts seen. If someone with 250 followers (who are also Russian agents or bots) tweets something... NOBODY WILL SEE IT BECAUSE ALL OF THEIR FOLLOWERS ARE RUSSIAN AGENTS OR BOT ACCOUNTS. Bots cannot become influencers... it's physically impossible.
Are you saying that there was no Russian Influence campaign during the 2016 election because there are no Russian Social Media influencers with large enough follower counts to have any effect?
 
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You are not understanding what I am typing. Random Instagram and Twitter accounts do NOT GET SEEN because their random nature doesn't trigger the proper algorithms that will allow their content to be seen.

Only bigtime influencers get their posts seen. If someone with 250 followers (who are also Russian agents or bots) tweets something... NOBODY WILL SEE IT BECAUSE ALL OF THEIR FOLLOWERS ARE RUSSIAN AGENTS OR BOT ACCOUNTS. Bots cannot become influencers... it's physically impossible.


Denial is not only a river in Egypt

I am no authority on Social media" in fact other that the VERY occasional viewing of something on You tube which is not social media per se I never even use it.

You however appear to be willingly ignorant about it.

Liking sharing forwarding and re-tweeting have NOTHING to do with "influence s"

Influerncers had NOTHING to do with getting BREXIT over the finish line that was pure social media ,manipulation and if Cambridge Analytica could figure out how to do it don't sit there and tell me something like the internet RESEARCH agency could not do it as well

My "intuition" is backed up by well over a decade of working in close proximity to the intel agencies, seeing what each does and as result KNOWING what each does and just as important what each one does NOT do and how they go about it and also learning what other countries do and do not do and how they go about it.

Your intuition is fueled by just exactly waht ??

Shit you read on the internet and books written by Tom Clancy and Clive Cussler

Jack Ryan and Jason Borne are NOT REAL
 
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Are you saying that there was no Russian Influence campaign during the 2016 election because there are no Russian Social Media influencers with large enough follower counts to have any effect?

Those are two separate things. What I am saying is that being able to game the algorithms of Twitter, Facebook, Google, Instagram and Twitter is quite difficult. The likelihood of Russian Influencers being able to use these algorithms to their advantage is slim.

I find it not impossible but improbable.

Plus, those Social Media efforts were run out of the Internet Research Agency and a Federal Judge just ruled against Mueller's assertion that the Internet Research Agency was connected to the Russian government.

Mueller was bluffing and he never had any evidence.

So asserting that the Russian government used it's intelligence agencies to sway influence in the 2016 election is just patently false at this stage in the game.

No connection between those social media posts and the Russian government.

on top of that, the likelihood of such an "influence campaign" bearing any fruit is very small.

You do know that Mueller is losing his case against the 13 Russians right?
 

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My "intuition" is backed up by well over a decade of working in close proximity to the intel agencies, seeing what each does and as result KNOWING what each does and just as important what each one does NOT do and how they go about it and also learning what other countries do and do not do and how they go about it.

Respectfully, your intuition has been wrong many times.
 

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Those are two separate things. What I am saying is that being able to game the algorithms of Twitter, Facebook, Google, Instagram and Twitter is quite difficult. The likelihood of Russian Influencers being able to use these algorithms to their advantage is slim.

I find it not impossible but improbable.

Plus, those Social Media efforts were run out of the Internet Research Agency and a Federal Judge just ruled against Mueller's assertion that the Internet Research Agency was connected to the Russian government.

Mueller was bluffing and he never had any evidence.

So asserting that the Russian government used it's intelligence agencies to sway influence in the 2016 election is just patently false at this stage in the game.

No connection between those social media posts and the Russian government.

on top of that, the likelihood of such an "influence campaign" bearing any fruit is very small.

You do know that Mueller is losing his case against the 13 Russians right?


Why do you try SO HARD to NOT understand what a "cutout" is ?

How they work

What they do

Why they are used

How they look to anyone who has any experience in and around the intel field

Ask ANYONE who would know a cutout when they saw it and they would tell you that the Internet Research Agency was/is a cutout

And it was/is HARDLY the only one employed in this endeavor
 

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Why do you try SO HARD to NOT understand what a "cutout" is ?

What you need to realize is that you NEED EVIDENCE, not just assertions and how things appear.

There is ZERO evidence that Assange is a cut-out. All you have is a desire to see him as such... you're a hammer and he's a fucking nail. Xenophobes see foreigners everywhere... under every bed, behind every crime, behind all evil.

Ask ANYONE who would know a cutout when they saw it and they would tell you that the Internet Research Agency was/is a cutout

You can be as suspicious as you want to... you can throw out accusations and allegations but in the end YOU MUST SHOW YOUR PROOF.

The government was bluffing and has no proof... it's all just unfounded suspicions and something that looks a certain way but is really something else.

Do you always judge a book by it's cover or do you fucking crack it open and read it's contents?

Appearances are deceiving... SURELY YOU LEARNED THAT IN SPYING 101 right?

And it was/is HARDLY the only one employed in this endeavor

Wow... I guess you could have conducted the Mueller investigation better than the DOJ. The DOJ only found the Internet Research Agency but you've apparently found even more.

Good thing Mueller didn't go up against you for the Special Counsel position...he would have lost right?
 

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What you need to realize is that you NEED EVIDENCE, not just assertions and how things appear.

There is ZERO evidence that Assange is a cut-out. All you have is a desire to see him as such... you're a hammer and he's a fucking nail. Xenophobes see foreigners everywhere... under every bed, behind every crime, behind all evil.



You can be as suspicious as you want to... you can throw out accusations and allegations but in the end YOU MUST SHOW YOUR PROOF.

The government was bluffing and has no proof... it's all just unfounded suspicions and something that looks a certain way but is really something else.

Do you always judge a book by it's cover or do you fucking crack it open and read it's contents?

Appearances are deceiving... SURELY YOU LEARNED THAT IN SPYING 101 right?



Wow... I guess you could have conducted the Mueller investigation better than the DOJ. The DOJ only found the Internet Research Agency but you've apparently found even more.

Good thing Mueller didn't go up against you for the Special Counsel position...he would have lost right?


The whole point is using cutouts is that then there never is, never will be, never can be, any clear direct "evidence" no clear direct "proof"

The results counterintelligence investigations/ operations which is what the Russia investigation started as rarely if ever see the inside of a courtroom because evidence and proof such as it is is circumstantial or gathered employing sources and methods that can not even be acknowledged in order to remain effective .

You have NO IDEA what kind of proof or evidence the government may have

Just because YOU do not know about it does NOT mean that it does not exist

If the CIA has turned Putins GF as a Humint source no one outside the Langley complex would know that and most people within the building would not know it either.

If the NSA had managed to tap Putins phone line/s no one outside the Ft. Meade complex would ever know that and most people within the building would not know it either

Because you could count on Trump to tell Putin he sure as hell would NEVER be told and once his new Lackey gets in place who WILL tell Trump EVERYTHING you can bet he will not get told PLENTY of things that right now Dan Coates does get told.
 
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The whole point is using cutouts is that then there never is, never will be, never can be, any clear direct "evidence" no clear direct "proof"

This might fly in Communist East Germany but in the United States the accused are INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.

Do you see the "proven" word. That means that the prosecutor must provide PROOF OR EVIDENCE of the accused's guilt.

This sort of bullshit might work in a kangaroo court but not in the United States.

The results counterintelligence investigations/ operations which is what the Russia investigation started as rarely if ever see the inside of a courtroom because evidence and proof such as it is is circumstantial or gathered employing sources and methods that can not even be acknowledged in order to remain effective.

Well by this admission, the U.S. counterintelligence agents should stay the fuck out of the court of law because their disregard for evidence or proof runs afoul of the America justice system.

You have NO IDEA what kind of proof or evidence the government may have

Nonsense. 100% of the "evidence" found in the Mueller report was leaked to the press. ALL cards were on the table at all times.
 

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This might fly in Communist East Germany but in the United States the accused are INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.

Do you see the "proven" word. That means that the prosecutor must provide PROOF OR EVIDENCE of the accused's guilt.

This sort of bullshit might work in a kangaroo court but not in the United States.



Well by this admission, the U.S. counterintelligence agents should stay the fuck out of the court of law because their disregard for evidence or proof runs afoul of the America justice system.



Nonsense. 100% of the "evidence" found in the Mueller report was leaked to the press. ALL cards were on the table at all times.


You can keep going on and on with all your "court of law" and "Innocent until proven guilty" bullshit

That was NEVER the goal of this this exercise

The was and is to figure out what happened and if by chance a prosecutable case can be brought without compromising sources and methods then so be it but few if any cases arising out of this will have any such charges.

It will continue to be such things as we have already seen.

You have NO WAY repeat no way to know that 100% of the evidence the FBI found in it's counter intel investigation was even turned over to Robert Mueller and you sure as hell have NO WAY to KNOW repeat know that a 100% of his evidence was "leaked to the press".

That is AGAIN another instance of something YOU WANT/NEED TO BELIEVE.

Just another case of you taking out of your ass about something that you can NOT possibly KNOW

But then you are SO GOOD AT THAT !!!