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I set the atmosphere up to spark some honesty, because people tend to hold back without provokation.

It was just hilarious to see it go from normal to wildly stupid as soon as some trolls showed up with their wild stories and everything they said stood against statistical evidence and research.

I don't think I know much, I was just pointing out that people lie, exagerate and why. And I think it's ridiculous and simply shouldnt be an issue.

Perhaps if i was average, i'd think differently? Maybe my size gives me the security to disagree with the way things developed and are thought of. I like to think that if I was smaller then i'd actually think the same, and hopefully be secure in the knowledge gained.


Ps. who wants to touch my chest?
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So Kanaye, what's it like to know everything there is to know about cock size with a sample of one and be so wordly and wise at the age of 22?
You're not mature enough to know what you don't know yet.
I run into young ignorant know-it-alls like you all the time. If you bother to listen you can hear the laughter.

He's sounds increasingly hormonal with a number of various issues. I wonder if he runs a busy life. Having less time to properly consider these kinds of things can lead to strong and bizarre opinions, don't you think?
 

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Quite the opposite, I actually have far too much free time for now.

What's a size like you doing on a site for support? Just curious.
 

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I set the atmosphere up to spark some honesty, because people tend to hold back without provokation.

It was just hilarious to see it go from normal to wildly stupid as soon as some trolls showed up with their wild stories and everything they said stood against statistical evidence and research.

I don't think I know much, I was just pointing out that people lie, exagerate and why. And I think it's ridiculous and simply shouldnt be an issue.

Perhaps if i was average, i'd think differently? Maybe my size gives me the security to disagree with the way things developed and are thought of. I like to think that if I was smaller then i'd actually think the same, and hopefully be secure in the knowledge gained.


Ps. who wants to touch my chest?
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Part of their point is that your tone is increasingly arrogant and insulting. You clearly lack respect for those who are putting in just as much or more time and effort into this thread as you are.
It's okay to have very strong feelings about such a subject; it's very much a hot spot in society today. What's not okay is your accusatory tone to posters whom you know nothing about. By doing so, you are discrediting yourself and closing yourself off to further serious debate and discussion on the subject. Many of the posters in this thread are here for just that. YOU have to accept they are not going to have the same opinion as you; this does not automatically de-legitimize their claims. Do you understand what I'm trying to say?
 

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Quite the opposite, I actually have far too much free time for now.

What's a size like you doing on a site for support? Just curious.

You don't know too much about this forum site, do you? See, again very accusatory. Quite insulting and very unnecessary. You're not going to make many friends treating people like this; you know nothing about me or why I'm here.
 

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Yes you do. That's how you started this thread.







I, on the other hand, have a very deep well of experience to draw from.
I've been a cocksucker all my life. I started at an age that, if I told you, would shock a lot of people and probably get me banned.
In my 56 years I have seen, held, fondled, worshiped, sucked and fucked hundreds of cocks and I've measured dozens of them. Some men let me use a tape measure but some don't so I developed an accurate way to measure by holding a cock against my face. When I do that they don't even know they're being measured. I measure cocks along the top with the end of the tape (or my chin) held against the pubic bone.
When I was young I was a performer in gay porn "loops" that could be seen at glory holes. I'm also a submissive and have had several masters who would make me service men for various reasons, some of whom were very well hung. This is in addition to just being a slut when I was younger.
Based on my experience there are a few things I've learned about cock size.

*Most men are hung about 6".
*7-8" cocks are not at all unusual.
*8-10" cocks are more common than most people believe. There are enough out there that I am able to set 8" as the minimum length I will service and I don't have any problem getting what I want. I currently have a stable of 4 studs that I service regularly, all hung over 8". (8, 8, 8.5, 9)
*10"+ cocks aren't common but they are out there. Most men that size seem to be embarrassed by it and some will even claim to be less.
About a year ago one of my studs introduced me to a friend of his who is hung 11". He lets me give him blowjobs occasionally, and yes, I did measure it with a tape.
The biggest cock I ever measured was 12.5" though I once sucked one that was substantially bigger.
*The myth about black men being hung isn't entirely a myth. There seems to be a higher proportion of black men hung over 8" than white men, but that could just be my selection bias. The biggest cocks I've ever seen were white.
*Girth is unrelated to length. I've encountered long thick ones, short fat ones, long thin ones and short skinny ones. I won't even try to guess at an average.
*I've never had sex with a famous porn star so I can't address that issue.
*I've encountered a few pumpers and saline injectors. I think they're grotesque and I won't have anything sexual to do with them. All of the cocks I've sucked, fucked, and measured have been 100% natural and unenhanced.
So, are you saying that your data, presuming that you have kept record, of your 100% natural test stubjects is in some way more reliable then scientifically conducted surveys (not self reported measurements). The majority of them report an average from 5 to 5.5 and contrary to your statement, believe penises above the length of 8 inches to be ridicolously rare.
Not hatin im just curious :p
 

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So, are you saying that your data, presuming that you have kept record, of your 100% natural test stubjects is in some way more reliable then scientifically conducted surveys (not self reported measurements). The majority of them report an average from 5 to 5.5 and contrary to your statement, believe penises above the length of 8 inches to be ridicolously rare.
Not hatin im just curious :p

Honestly form I hear, accurately measuring average penis size is very difficult to do. I think ranges are the best we're going to be able to do for many years. Until some massive scientific breakthrough or something anyways. Those tend to completely re-arrange the entire field!
 

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Part of their point is that your tone is increasingly arrogant and insulting. You clearly lack respect for those who are putting in just as much or more time and effort into this thread as you are.
It's okay to have very strong feelings about such a subject; it's very much a hot spot in society today. What's not okay is your accusatory tone to posters whom you know nothing about. By doing so, you are discrediting yourself and closing yourself off to further serious debate and discussion on the subject. Many of the posters in this thread are here for just that. YOU have to accept they are not going to have the same opinion as you; this does not automatically de-legitimize their claims. Do you understand what I'm trying to say?

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Honestly form I hear, accurately measuring average penis size is very difficult to do. I think ranges are the best we're going to be able to do for many years. Until some massive scientific breakthrough or something anyways. Those tend to completely re-arrange the entire field!

There definitely have been a lot of studies that used a clearly flawed methodology, the big three problems being:
1 - self selection (if asked to volunteer to have someone measure your dick, you'd definitely get fewer small guys.)
2 - self measurement (easily the worst one - studies that allow this are way, way higher than ones that don't.)
3 - erectile quality (EQ - the only in the list that would bring the number down.)

The first one can be controlled by using a group with a composition where size wouldn't be a factor - e.g. clinical studies for something unrelated that also gathers this metric (most common). I think the best was the Ponchietti et al study, which was on Italian conscripts as part of their physical. Young men (~18 - after the age where the dick stops growing for nearly everyone) getting their physicals for mandatory military service were measured, so this is about as good a cross sampling as you could possibly hope for. Also, at that age, they wouldn't carry as much fat so the whole bone-pressed vs non-bone-pressed thing becomes less of an issue.

The second brings the number way up - often these studies are at least 0.5" higher. When you combine 1 + 2, such as an internet survey (anonymous people just saying how big their dick is) the average skyrockets, often to something ridiculously high compared to medical studies, usually around 6.5".

EQ is a big issue, because we all know how an erection can vary day-to-day, and probably your weakest erection would be in a clinical setting where you're being monitored and pressured in to getting aroused. One way around this is to pharmacologically induce the erection (just inject something in to the penis) which ensures that everyone in the study has a consistently hard erection. The Chen et al study proved that maximal stretched length is an extremely good predictor of erect length. It varies slightly based on arousal state, but not much since you've already stretched it as far as it goes (usually erect is ~0.2-0.3" longer than fully-stretched.)

Every study that controls on those 3 factors has always, always put the average (or median, depending on what data they released) length in the low 5"s. I think the Ponchietti study is probably the best ever done, and they put 50th percentile stretched length at 12.5cm -- approx 4.9". You could add a little bit on there to extrapolate the erect length, and you'll get low 5"s like every other good study gets.

I just pulled out my tape measure (been wall-mounting some stuff today :) ) and measured using their outlined methodology - maximal stretch, and measure along the top from the tip to the skin (ie no bone pressing), and got 18cm (about 7.1"). I'm normally around 18.5-19cm (about 7.3-7.5") so the stretch predictor works pretty well for me at least. The Ponchietti study puts me above the top 1% with that, so definitely not complaining. I think of the distribution like this: that's about where the average NBA player is in terms of their height percentile. Most NBA players are extremely tall, but if you're the average NBA player height, about 50% of NBA players are taller than you. I think guys with porno-sized dicks compare against porno, and if 50% of the guys there (or on this site) are bigger than you it can really damage the ego of someone who has attached their entire self-worth to having the biggest dong.

Of course, if I pull my dick towards the floor and jam in the measure, then suddenly I'm 8.5". I start the measure from 1" (as way more guys do than you would believe), that's 9.5"; start measuring from the side instead of the top and that's another 1.5" inches, and then WOOAAHHH I'm 11" long! Crazy. That's about as silly a measurement as someone could do and legitimately think that they're actually measuring it right. If I put a ruler down on a table, hold my dick above it and take a picture, I can be 14" long. If I do the wide-angle lens thing from below my dick and take that picture between my legs facing up, my dick can be the size of my torso.

Hmm I don't want this thread to be where everyone writes their manifesto, but I hope I was able to illustrate how much of a difference using an established methodology can make.

You need to purchase the full Ponchietti study, but they did publicly publish many of the results in a followup article. This one was interestingly about how the vast majority of guys who think they have little dicks actually have average dicks - a bunch of them even had pretty big ones and thought they needed surgery. If there's any weight against that whole 'who does it hurt?' line it's in this article. This also covers the measurement methodology and includes a percentile distribution of their results:
Penile length is normal in most men seeking penile lengthening procedures
 
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So, are you saying that your data, presuming that you have kept record, of your 100% natural test stubjects is in some way more reliable then scientifically conducted surveys (not self reported measurements). The majority of them report an average from 5 to 5.5 and contrary to your statement, believe penises above the length of 8 inches to be ridicolously rare.
Not hatin im just curious :p

As I stated at the beginning of my post, this is what I learned from my own decades long and very promiscuous experience. I don't know anything about the reliability of scientific surveys, only what I have seen with my own eyes.
My first sexual experience was with a very big cock and I've been fascinated and obsessed with big cocks ever since, so I've made it kind of a hobby to measure them.
As my first point states:
*Most men are hung about 6".
I will dispute the claim that "penises above the length of 8 inches to be ridicolously rare." because I have never had a problem finding men that are hung over 8" and I currently give regular service to 4 men hung over 8" and occasional service to one hung 11", which leads me to this point:
*10"+ cocks aren't common but they are out there.
He is the first man hung over 10" that I've met in a very long time.
I only know what I've learned and I don't make any claims about the scientific validity of my observations. For all I know my observations could be badly skewed by me self selecting for big cocks.
What got me started on this thread was the absurd and insulting statements of the OP and his claim that since some statistical survey doesn't support the existence of cocks over 10" anyone who says they've seen one is a liar. I know different and so do all 5 of the men I service.
 

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Sorry like some others but I have personally experienced two extremes. Ridiculously thick, it was like giving birth in reverse. Sadly he is now deceased one of the reasons is because he could never give pleasure only pain, and a real life man who is 11.5 inches that I measured. He lives in Sydney now and we keep in touch every now and then and may be a member here, I haven't asked. He is not at all proud of what he has and has never had a relationship based on anything more than his size. I feel sorry for him.

My latest man was black from Zimbabwe. And sorry to follow the stereotype but he is well endowed. Just enough to make it hurt :)

Unfortunately he and I cannot be together so I am continuing the other stereotype that once you go black.....
Single, horny, pics in profile, looking for a single African man to be totally his woman. xxx

Wow. That is terrible. People should really get over the whole race bullshit.
 

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Wow. That is terrible. People should really get over the whole race bullshit.

Ever been with a darker skinned man? It goes way further than size. Insecurity, especially when viewing your pictures, is a problem of yours not mine.

Issues? Especially when the topic of this whole thread is about insecurity you choose my post to comment on?

Issues?
 

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Since you're 100% straight I expect your experience with cocks is limited to your own. That's a pretty small sample size for the claims you made in your original post. Being 22 yo doesn't exactly give you a lot of credibility in the life experience department either.

If your sample size exceeds those of the significant number of surveys, all independent and all consistent with each other, that directly contradict your experience, then I suggest you make your "survey" available for review - including your methodology, how your sample populations were selected and so on.

Reading some statistics doesn't make you an authority...
No - but it makes him more of an authority than people making unsubstantiated assertions on a forum notorious for fantasy and exaggeration.

There are three types of falsehoods-lies, damned lies, and statistics.
And there are four types of assertion - lies, damned lies, fantasy and wishful thinking.


I, on the other hand, have a very deep well of experience to draw from.
I've been a cocksucker all my life. I started at an age that, if I told you, would shock a lot of people and probably get me banned.
In my 56 years I have seen, held, fondled, worshiped, sucked and fucked hundreds of cocks and I've measured dozens of them. Some men let me use a tape measure but some don't so I developed an accurate way to measure by holding a cock against my face. When I do that they don't even know they're being measured. I measure cocks along the top with the end of the tape (or my chin) held against the pubic bone.
When I was young I was a performer in gay porn "loops" that could be seen at glory holes. I'm also a submissive and have had several masters who would make me service men for various reasons, some of whom were very well hung. This is in addition to just being a slut when I was younger.
Based on my experience there are a few things I've learned about cock size.
The plural of anecdote is not data.

*Most men are hung about 6".
*7-8" cocks are not at all unusual....
*I've never had sex with a famous porn star so I can't address that issue.
*I've encountered a few pumpers and saline injectors. I think they're grotesque and I won't have anything sexual to do with them. All of the cocks I've sucked, fucked, and measured have been 100% natural and unenhanced.
See above.

As I stated at the beginning of my post, this is what I learned from my own decades long and very promiscuous experience. I don't know anything about the reliability of scientific surveys, only what I have seen with my own eyes.

And how many of these did you measure in the standardised manner adopted in most medical surveys and how many did you estimate visually?

Let me guess.

A number of entirely separate surveys, at different times, conducted in various parts of the world, by different authorities (condom companies, military doctors and so on) have all recorded very similar data, yet you are asking us to believe that your experience, with no verifiable data and subject to huge confirmation bias (you admit that you are "fascinated by huge cocks") trumps every single one of these?.

My first sexual experience was with a very big cock and I've been fascinated and obsessed with big cocks ever since, so I've made it kind of a hobby to measure them.
As my first point states:
I will dispute the claim that "penises above the length of 8 inches to be ridicolously rare." because I have never had a problem finding men that are hung over 8" and I currently give regular service to 4 men hung over 8" and occasional service to one hung 11", which leads me to this point: He is the first man hung over 10" that I've met in a very long time.
I only know what I've learned and I don't make any claims about the scientific validity of my observations. For all I know my observations could be badly skewed by me self selecting for big cocks...
And by inaccurate estimates and confirmation bias. I repeat, the plural of anecdote is not data

What got me started on this thread was the absurd and insulting statements of the OP and his claim that since some statistical survey...
Not "some" statistical survey - many, all arriving at remarkably similar conclusions and which contradict your own, entirely anecdotal and unsubstatiated assertions.

..anyone who says they've seen one is a liar. I know different and so do all 5 of the men I service.
I imagine some are lying, some are mistaken and others are fantasising.
 
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Thank you for this comprehensive and detailed account of your own experiences, I trust your answer far more than the OP's based on the stories you had to share....

???

You trust a series of unverified anecdotes more than you trust a series of independent surveys that have published their methodology and data and are all more or less consistent? I assume you'd beleive me if I told you I'd had an orgy with Jessica Alba, Maria Sharapova and the entire female cast of 90210?

You seem to definitely know cock better than most of us here and I truly enjoyed reading about it. I hope to be graced with more of your stories in the future.
I've slept with 10'000 men, none of whom had cocks bigger than 3". Believe me instead.

Hmmm....I've seen several 10+ inch dicks on cam live in the cam chatroom. Weird. I guess my eyes doeth deceive me...

Entirely possible. Are you suggesting that visual estimates are always accurate? You didn't even see them in person, but on video, which relies on an optical illusion to mimic steroscopic vision and therefore is subject to distortions of size, distance and depth of field.

I've had a couple even measure on cam...
So all but a couple weren't even measured and yet you feel confident enough to suggest that your sample population is more reliable than the data from a number of different surveys, which are all consistent with each other? Of the precious few you yourself admit measured, how many did so according to the standardised method?

I'm hard to please because I doubt everyone is the size they say. I presume most guys are liars- especially after plenty of 6 inchers claiming to be 9-10 inches and they are no where close.
This statement directly contradicts the one you gave immediately prior.

But I'm telling you, I've seen it enough to rule out your "No one has a 10 inch cock" theory.
And I'm telling you - you might believe you did, but that doesn't make it true.

If someone is 8.5 inches long having a hissy fit over 10 inch cocks, why it is impossible for someone else on the planet to have a dick 1.5 inches longer than his?..

By that logic, why is it impossible for someone not to have a dick 15 inches longer than his? Your figure of 1.5 inches is entirely arbitrary after all. Indeed, why is it not possible to find someone with 5 foot long arms, or three foot noses?

I mean his dick is 3.5 inches above normal, why can't someone else be 1.5 inches longer than that? It's not impossible.

Using this logic, nothing is impossible.
 
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There are several races of the species Homo sapiens and they all have different characteristics...

One thousand per cent wrong. There are human populations with different superficial differences (phenotypes) but these occur as gradations - contrary to popular belief there aren't distinct breaks. In other words there are some people who are very mongoloid or negro, some people who are a bit less, some a bit less and so on.

Studies of mitochondrial DNA have proved conclusively that we are all remarkably closely related - I forget the exact figure, but no two human beings on the race of the planet are more distantly related than about 50th cousin. There is more genetic variation in the chimpanzees of Africa than there is in the entire human race.

The current theory - the Toba Catastrophe Theory - is that this is due to some environmental catastrophe, or pandemic, that wiped out the vast majority of our ancestors, leaving us all to be descended form a small group.

There is nothing inaccurate, out-dated and 18th century-like about that...
Oh yes there is. Do some research.

You are an idiot for not noticing that very basic fact.
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I suppose the rule "In biology there is always an exception" would fit in here.

Perhaps, but "exception" is the word. If you were daft enough to believe everyone on this thread, let alone this forum, who claims to have seen 10" penises, you would conclude that they weren't the exception at all.