Sex, big dicks, pain and morality

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Sex, big dicks, pain and morality

.....and pleasure, because there are people who feel pleasure with some pain..

by the way the black guy have a nice cock.
 
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What I meant by "she seems to be able to take it" is that if it was really "too big" for her as some of you are trying to suggest, they would not have made a 14 minute porno out of it.

If she didn't want sex with him then she should have walked away when she saw the camera, or before the camera appeared and not accepted any money (if she did accept money).
 

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Okay, I believe that each adult individual, in the absence of duress, is responsible for protecting her/his own civil rights and civil liberties. I have not viewed the video, but the information provided does not suggest abuse. In fact, asking someone to finish up quickly implies consent to finish. In this case the absence of abuse is supported by the willingness of the artist to engage in the activity under the terms of an agreement for employment. I am not saying that this gives license to abuse, but it can be argued that she has given her express consent to the other performer's conduct, and that if she wishes him to stop the burden is on her to say so. Otherwise the male performer is free to do what he was hired to do, and the nuance of reading her preferences from her behavior can be dispensed with because she has expressly consented to it, was given notice of the size of his cock, and understood the risk involved. Additionally, being as it was a contract for personal services, she is free to stop at any time and cannot be forced to perform. Here she has given her her permission for the other performer to finish what he was doing. No more and no less. She was free to enter into any contract for those services, whether the agreement was beneficial to her or not.
On a personal note, what would you do if you were in bed with her and she flet anough pain that she wanted you to stop? If she asked you to hurry up and finish would you jsut stop? Is that what she said she wanted, or would you just hurry up and finish?
 

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In the picture where the guy was forcing his penis into her mouth, slapping her, and emotionally abusing her, knowing she was in pain -- she should file rape charges against him...to hell with consentual consent.

This is why married men who have affairs, rarely want to go into abusive, over-the-top relationships like the one we witnessed: they must be discreet, they don't want to go to prison, and their wives would tear them to shreds, psychologically and financially. I tell men I'm not into submissivenes, bondage, and anal crap -- they agree.

What are your views? You don't slap a woman or pull hair just to get a blow job!!
 

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Consent is in constant negotiation through the progression of sexual acts. When someone doesn't like something and doesn't want you to do it, you stop said act. Plain and simple.

Consenting to sexual activity doesn't revoke someone's right to stop after it starts, for any given reason. If someone told me I was hurting him while having sex and he asked me to stop whatever I was doing I would stop immediately.

It's impossible for me to remain aroused if my partner is hurting. I don't know how any man worth his salt could maintain an erection and keep penetrating a woman that is clearly in pain because of it. It's fucking sick. I don't care that she's doing porn and got a paycheck, that girl did not sign up to be hurt.

It turned into rape when she told him to stop and he didn't. And her lack of fighting him off doesn't make her pleas less valid. I was almost raped once and I successfully fought off my attacker. While I wish every woman was that much of a fighter, it's not the case. In many cases a woman is just trying to survive it and avoid further trauma.

Do yourself a favor and imagine that girl as your wife, daughter, niece, girlfriend, mother, sister.

Would you feel differently if this woman was family and not just some porn actress that got paid?

Would you tell your daughter/mother/sister/wife that because she got paid that she had no right to refuse once the pain set in?

What does your complacency on the matter say about you?
 

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my boyfriend can do anything he wants to me but if i use our safe word for stop than that is followed. if it isn't followed then we have no trust.
 

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Totally agree with everything you've said here BBW36. I can't understand how any man can keep going knowing he's hurting his partner, paid or unpaid, gf or otherwise.


Consent is in constant negotiation through the progression of sexual acts. When someone doesn't like something and doesn't want you to do it, you stop said act. Plain and simple.

Consenting to sexual activity doesn't revoke someone's right to stop after it starts, for any given reason. If someone told me I was hurting him while having sex and he asked me to stop whatever I was doing I would stop immediately.

It's impossible for me to remain aroused if my partner is hurting. I don't know how any man worth his salt could maintain an erection and keep penetrating a woman that is clearly in pain because of it. It's fucking sick. I don't care that she's doing porn and got a paycheck, that girl did not sign up to be hurt.

It turned into rape when she told him to stop and he didn't. And her lack of fighting him off doesn't make her pleas less valid. I was almost raped once and I successfully fought off my attacker. While I wish every woman was that much of a fighter, it's not the case. In many cases a woman is just trying to survive it and avoid further trauma.

Do yourself a favor and imagine that girl as your wife, daughter, niece, girlfriend, mother, sister.

Would you feel differently if this woman was family and not just some porn actress that got paid?

Would you tell your daughter/mother/sister/wife that because she got paid that she had no right to refuse once the pain set in?

What does your complacency on the matter say about you?
 

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I'm sorry, but the lines of consent are black and white here. Once the words "stop" passed her lips consent was instantly retracted.

There is no gray area here.

I watched a small bit of the vid and that woman wanted him to stop. She looked afraid and overwhelmed. If she was putting on a show for the camera and faking that she wanted him to stop she would have kept facing the camera. As it were, she turned away into the fetal position.

Bbucko, I love you but I'm angry at your implication that the woman's pleas in the porn clip were fake. While it obviously started out consenting, this woman started feeling pain and wanted him to stop. He didn't and that's when it became assault. Again, I love you Bbuck, but it hurt my heart to read this.

There's never any need to apologize for disagreeing with me, BBW36.

Mea culpa: since I'm not a fan of rapey porn, I did not click that link. I have seen such material before and I just don't like it. Objectifying beauty and pleasure is what porn's all about for me, even when it gets extreme or over the top. Objectifying pain and assault disgusts me: it's not my thing.

The reason why I included that last paragraph asserting that the response was fake is because, a few years ago, I belonged to an adult message board that was all about porn, and just porn (except for the OT board, which was a surreal world all its own). The membership consisted not just of fans, but also of verified people working inside the industry on both sides of the camera.

One of the most recurrent themes (aside from threads fawning all over the performers) at that place was how many "accidents" were kept into a scene and why. With a dull monotony, the answer was always the same: none. The producer(s) and director planned things very carefully, and no real off-script or spontaneous moments are tolerated. Shoots cost tens of thousands of dollars, and all product is geared to one market or another in an extremely cynical manner.

It was, in fact, just that disillusioning cynicism and relentless monotony that ultimately led me to disable my account and eliminate the bookmark from my browser, and I was only a member there for about six months. Besides, I lurked much more than I actually posted anything, anyway.

Maybe that message board really was full of shit, in which case I was duped. But as I recall, the board was associated with AVN, so if it wasn't accurate then it was sending a really strange kind of mixed message. While writing this post, I spent a few minutes trying to find it so I could link to it, but general searches under Google didn't help much, and it's been over four years now, so I can no longer recall its name or web address. Doing so would have a much greater impact than my lame attempt at anecdote.
 

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Okay, I believe that each adult individual, in the absence of duress, is responsible for protecting her/his own civil rights and civil liberties. I have not viewed the video, but the information provided does not suggest abuse. In fact, asking someone to finish up quickly implies consent to finish. In this case the absence of abuse is supported by the willingness of the artist to engage in the activity under the terms of an agreement for employment. I am not saying that this gives license to abuse, but it can be argued that she has given her express consent to the other performer's conduct, and that if she wishes him to stop the burden is on her to say so. Otherwise the male performer is free to do what he was hired to do, and the nuance of reading her preferences from her behavior can be dispensed with because she has expressly consented to it, was given notice of the size of his cock, and understood the risk involved. Additionally, being as it was a contract for personal services, she is free to stop at any time and cannot be forced to perform. Here she has given her her permission for the other performer to finish what he was doing. No more and no less. She was free to enter into any contract for those services, whether the agreement was beneficial to her or not.
On a personal note, what would you do if you were in bed with her and she flet anough pain that she wanted you to stop? If she asked you to hurry up and finish would you jsut stop? Is that what she said she wanted, or would you just hurry up and finish?

yes i agree, and as 'wrat' said, she is free to leave even after the filming has started

What I meant by "she seems to be able to take it" is that if it was really "too big" for her as some of you are trying to suggest, they would not have made a 14 minute porno out of it.

If she didn't want sex with him then she should have walked away when she saw the camera, or before the camera appeared and not accepted any money (if she did accept money).


though not likening both scenarios,here is a female who didn't feel comfortable continuing and asked them to stop and tells them she doesn't wish to carry on, even though she was being laughed at by the males in the background and chided by the cameraman. i don't know if they coerced her to finish but this is what someone ought to do if they feel uncomfortable during a sexual encounter.
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I didn't click the link; don't need to click it to know that if a woman says stop, her partner, whether a man or a woman, should stop.

What I find interesting about this discussion is, people use all kinds of cues to let their partner know they aren't into what's going on. I mean, if I push against someone's hip or chest, I would hope that would be enough to say, stop, or at least ease the heck up.... In the heat of the moment, maybe the word stop needs to be uttered, but clues, body language, all of that count too. I mean, when someone is in pain (and you all aren't into playing with pain and sex) and their body language changes. I'd think you'd pick up on that....I'd hope, I guess. Whatever.

And the more I think about it, the more I see times when it is up to the guy to watch himself with a partner. More, if a guy is larger, imho, he needs to be more in tune with his partner, what s/he is feeling and if they are good. I mean, it's not like you're jacking off. There is another person there. Ask. Check in if you're even slightly uneasy....or get that vibe that something isn't right. I'd sure hope you have some sort of connection besides hip to hip.

And some women simply won't say anything, they might be too shy, too new to having sex with you, or some other reason -- society, parents, past partners, who knows? -- so the question becomes even harder to figure out.... geesh, Sex is harder than it looks, isn't it? And yeah, in some of these cases, the responsibility is on the guy to communicate, maybe not to be the only one shouldering the responsibility, but I can see where a guy might have more to do than just screw someone ....if his partner isn't able to say something when sex hurts....

I think this is why knowing who you are screwing might be a good thing, before you screw them, if you get my drift. :)
 

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It doesn't surprise me at all that a thread about consent and rape should get so ugly. They are ugly topics that stir up ugly emotions in people.

As far as I'm concerned - unless you have a safe word and an understanding that everything else means "keep going" - when ever you hear "that hurts," "stop," or "no" from your partner (or anything that suggests those ideas), you stop everything and make sure your partner's okay. End of story.

Seeing it in porn makes it a bit muddier because you can argue they're acting, or just doing their jobs. You can tell yourself they're all in on it and they know what they signed up for. But the pressure on the actors from the money, the rolling cameras, the people all around them, the expectation to "do your job," etc., implies some level of coercion to me that makes me side with the folks who say this sort of porn just doesn't sit right.
 

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I have a safe word... "STOP"
I only use it when I want the guy to stop...

even in role play or fantasy... "stop" means stop!

I had seen this video in another thread and clicked... didn't watch it all... it made me ill.

the comments following indicated there are several guys here that enjoy this type of rape....that is really sad.

I'm sorry BBW36 is gone... she should have stayed and we should be saying goodbye to some other people instead.
 
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This thread quickly turned anti heterosexual male and het sex.

By the way there are many women here who enjoy that type of sex. It's why they're here. There are many gays/lesbians here who enjoy that type of sex. Many people here make money from engaging in that type of sex and sexual play.

The first video posted isn't rape. Not by a long fucking shot. It's not abuse either. It's two people in the heat of the moment having sex. She's starting to hurt and he can't stop. It happens. He's a jerk but it isn't rape. Know what else? She's more then likely going to try and get with him again.

Many women come after larger guys because they want to try it out and oft times will want to keep going despite telling the guy to stop.
Other times patience wears thin and a guy won't have time or want to spend a lot of time on foreplay.

Seems to me the only thing seperating what happened in the first post from rape is 30 minutes of oral.

Many on this site are outright if not subtly hostile towards straight guys with slightly above average penises. Men who have every right to be here.
And I honestly don't think that's fair.
If you don't like anything I've said in this post you can go fuck yourselves and or ban me.