Sex in the Ancient World

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    Anyone see the History Channel programs "Sex in the Ancient World?"

    In the Egyptian program, that show an ancient papyrus housed in the British Museum dipicting Egyptians performing sexual acts to create the world. One section shows a man walking on all fours with an erect penis reaching to his underarms and beneath him a man with his legs thrown over his head sucking his own cock. According the the narrator, this is representative of the self-sustaining and fertility of the earth. The man is the Earth God Geb. These were highly religious images. I think I should start a tax-exempt church! :biggrin1:
     
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    "Highly religious", indeed. Even I would consider praying at that alter.
     
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    Historians put forth alot of far fetched ideas of what things from centuries past mean. I watch docu sometimes and I wonder if the scientists were high during their delving into things past.
    Like when they try to represent a series of bones from a dinosaur and they make a drawing of it. Somehow we're all taught in school that's what they were. Ummm...yeah. I guess some bones tells them how many humps a dinosaur had and lateral bumps etc.....
     
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    Images of Geb in that pose adorned the tombs of the pharaohs and he frequently appears in images from the Book of the Dead. He wasn't an enormously popular deity in terms of common worship though.

    Edit, oh and strictly speaking he isn't auto-felating, he is impregnating his wife the goddess Nut ( the Sky ) with whom he was in constant copulation until interrupted by the god Shu who represented air in this ancient creation myth.
     
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    Up here at college, I don't have much access to TV in my dorm, but I already knew the Ancient Egyptians were pretty sex-crazy. They had no word for "virgin."
     
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    Hmmmm, they definately said "auto-fellating," perhaps just describing what appeared to be however, your explanation seems to jive more with how they thought. So, who is the dude appearing above Geb? Was that just another depiction of him?

    Damn, I already erased that recording so I can't go back for further inspection. Do you know of a link?
     
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    Well normally the "Dude" isn't a dude at all, it's normally Nut ( the Sky ) his wife, but sometimes the male god Shu is shown in the act of interposing himself between Geb and his wife Nut which may be the image you've seen, I'm speculating.

    Edit: oops just checked my Oxford Mythology, and Shu is a goddess too ( easy to forget ), so I can't think who the god you saw might be. Normally Geb is shown beneath his wife Nut.

    There are alternative creation stories where the god Amun, and somtimes the god Min impregnate the void by masturbation in order to create the universe.
     
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    Yeah, that's right, Hells. Those idiots. Why didn't they just ask you about this first and save themselves a lot of time? I mean what do they know?
     
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    :tongue: I was hoping someone would say something. :biggrin1::biggrin1::biggrin1:
     
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    Does anyone see the humor here? Constant copulation, interruption of said copulation and a god named Shu?

    You interrupted my copulation! Now Shu!!

    Just sayin'
     
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    The whole story is a bizarre and hilarious :biggrin1:
     
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    Cock worshippers, just like Jews and Christians.
     
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    While I can see where you're coming from, sometimes, especially with Archaeologists, they're really just making educated guesses based on other findings. These history programs have an awful habit of over-stressing the importance of everything, and presenting theories as fact IMHO.

    For example, lets say you find a 2500 year old pot with a distinctive design, and inside it is the remains of say... herbs, and then you find another one 50 miles away and it has nothing in it. The assumption is made that this was also a herb pot and therefore came from a herbalist's hut - now, you don't actually know that, and nobody does - for all you know, the person who lived there might have just thought it was a nice pot, or kept water in it, or... You can flaunt degrees in archaeology all you want, but if you have very little evidence to begin with anything you extrapolate from it is going to be conjecture.

    Documentaries also have an awful habit of saying what could be said in 10 minutes and taking 50 minutes to say it by interspersing it with lots of mood shots and shit re-enactments with Z-list actors.
     
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    As I was watching and listening to the description of this one historian who "spent her whole life waiting" to get into this 1 cave so she could inspect the hieroglyphics and the way she described the probably meanings, several thoughts came to mind, most related to pornographic obsession. Gee, she'd fit right in here! :biggrin1:
    just an fyi: Hieroglyphics ancient Egyptian writing and alphabet translator write your name
     
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    Personally ... and this is not a flip, humorous response ... I think religion and spirituality need to be more accepting and inclusive of sex (sex acts, sex feelings, etc) to really talk on the deepest level to people.

    Sex is the most awesome thing we have going in this world. And yet, most modern-day religions discourage it or sweep it under the rug ... when it is the most generous gift God has given us. And the most powerful thing we have to work with, too.

    When I feel the most connected to both my spirit and my body, that's when I feel the sexiest. And, I can tell it's working because others respond to me in a sexual way without my having to say or do anything to cause that reaction.
     
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    This is true sometimes, though Archeaologists aren't quite that cavalier, however in the case of cultures like that of ancient Egypt we have an enormous quantity of contemporary written evidence which can be used to help interpret findings. The Egyptians in fact were fans of writing on everything and anything hence our fairly comprehensive understanding of their civilisation.

    In the case of ancient Egyptian mythology we have a wealth of documentary evidence to help us understand the physical remains of the religion which was practiced back then.

    Certainly there are still lacunae in our understanding and the gaps in the historical and archeaological record are ripe for speculation both wild and circumspect but over all there are few ancient cultures we know more about and can be sure about than that which flourished on the Nile for thousands of years.
     
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    Well said.
     
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    Funnily enough Hinduism has a comparatively enlightned attitude towards sex, especially between men and women, in fact many Hindus would put sex ( both Divine sex and Human sex ) at the very core of their spiritual universe. Shiva ( the supreme diety ) is represented by the Lingam (Phallus ) and his wife Parvati is represented by the Yoni ( Vagina ) in their temples and shrines and their act of sexual congress is seen as the origin of the energy of creation.
     
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    Scientists use of methodology is open to interpretation. Religious communities have never attempted to ban sex (Shakers insisted on celebicy; not many Shakers around these days) rather to control it for societal reasons. Ancient religions controlled sex within their society by allowing it at certain times and in certain places. Temple prostitues provided the priests with a good income, but it avoided contaminating general family based communities. The Roman church adopted a very anti female stance that was a pernicious thread within pre Christian Roman empire. No priest was ever unfrocked for fornication, but the curia condemned poor prostitues (turning a blind eye to the debauched nobility) and nothing much has changed. For all their idiosyncratic theology the priests of anicent Egypt had a better understanding of society than todays leaders.
     
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    Ancient religion was generally sex positive.
     
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