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Originally posted by Pene_Negro_Grande@Jan 5 2005, 04:14 PM
See Kimahri - your friend was lucky to have you...Your patience and understanding in that situation is rare...I primarily live as a straight man but really don't like labels...Only been in committed relationships w/women...But I find that most of the gay guys I have seen in this city really negatively label you as gay instead of bi-sexual if you hook up w/a guy...Totally have no problem w/being gay but I actually don't consider myself completely gay because of my strong attraction sexually to women...So the point I am making is I wish that most people were as understanding as Kimahri...Juilus Caesar said it best "It is a honor to be loved by both sexes"...
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Thanks for the compliment. But, as with anything in your life, who/what you are is up to you. I, nor any other gay/straight/bi dude can do it for you. I so wish so many would stop trying to "push" what they think on others.

As for patience and understanding, well...I'm in a fraternity too and after a really bad incident with a guy prior to going to college, my brother was extremely patient and understanding with me. He didn't tell me I was gay, he let me figure it out for myself. So, when I met curious guys, I will never label them (short of curious...guess you can't completely get away from labels, huh?). That is up to them.
 

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Yeah, Jana. One thing is, I try to be upfront with women. "Yeah, I'm attracted to some men." Later in the relationship, I admit to having masturbated with other males in my life. The tendencies come out early, and the actual history is later, when we're ready to have sex.
 

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Originally posted by jonb@Jan 6 2005, 02:37 AM
Yeah, Jana. One thing is, I try to be upfront with women. "Yeah, I'm attracted to some men." Later in the relationship, I admit to having masturbated with other males in my life. The tendencies come out early, and the actual history is later, when we're ready to have sex.
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I think this is an important thread, I hope it get a lot of readers. The reason why I think this kind of honesty is important is becuase everyone should have the right to be who they are. If someone has bisexual tendencies and wants to be able to explore sex with both genders, this defies the traditional definition of monogamy. If a woman gets into a relationship with a man believing it will be a monogamous one, it's unfair to force her to accept something different later on. If it is understood up front, then both people know score. Aslo, for the many who get into traditional relationships, and come out later, you need to realize that part of the impact will be the breakdown of monogamy as much as who it's going to be with. Once the realtionship becomes an open one, it must be open for both. I've seen situations where the guy wanted to be able to experiment with men, but have his wife remain faithful, which is bullshit. One guy (okay, this is me now, it was my husband) said I could experiment with women and that would be fair. The problem was, I'm not interested in women so it wasn't fair at all. This is probably a big reason why I shun the whole concept of monogamy these days because it seems so often it is only intended for one party and not the other.

Kimari, you make a good point about labeling, I think "curious" despite being a label in itself, gives people time to asses themselves and figure out where they fit in.
 

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Originally posted by madame_zora@Jan 6 2005, 04:39 PM
Kimari, you make a good point about labeling, I think "curious" despite being a label in itself, gives people time to asses themselves and figure out where they fit in.
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Thank you. Years of experience.

I've a friend that has that problem a bit. I don't like avoiding him but I also don't want to alienate his girlfriend so I keep away. Somewhere along the lines, I feel she blames me for his bi habits though.
 

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Originally posted by Kimahri+Jan 6 2005, 09:16 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Kimahri &#064; Jan 6 2005, 09:16 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-madame_zora@Jan 6 2005, 04:39 PM
Kimari, you make a good point about labeling, I think "curious" despite being a label in itself, gives people time to asses themselves and figure out where they fit in.
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Thank you. Years of experience.

I&#39;ve a friend that has that problem a bit. I don&#39;t like avoiding him but I also don&#39;t want to alienate his girlfriend so I keep away. Somewhere along the lines, I feel she blames me for his bi habits though.
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Well, I would just let him come to you when he wants to. His girlfriend is his concern, not yours. Nomatter how hot you are, you simply can&#39;t change someone&#39;s sexual orientation&#33; If he&#39;s attracted to you, that&#39;s coming from him, you can&#39;t be blamed for that. If you stay away, it is likely that he will find someone else to explore his curiousity with eventually. Nature of the beast.
 

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Actually, it went over better than I expected. But that might be because we both weren&#39;t raised in so-called "traditional" nuclear families. And because as of yet, my bi tendencies haven&#39;t evolved into anything which can risk HIV infection.

I&#39;m sure women are better at going down on another woman, but I can&#39;t be sure. If you ever do experiment with lesbianism, you might find yourself apologizing to every guy who ever gave you bad head.
 

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Originally posted by jonb@Jan 6 2005, 11:25 PM
Actually, it went over better than I expected. But that might be because we both weren&#39;t raised in so-called "traditional" nuclear families. And because as of yet, my bi tendencies haven&#39;t evolved into anything which can risk HIV infection.

I&#39;m sure women are better at going down on another woman, but I can&#39;t be sure. If you ever do experiment with lesbianism, you might find yourself apologizing to every guy who ever gave you bad head.
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I&#39;m glad to haer she was open to your interest. I think more women might be if they were given the chance, but I&#39;m just one person talking. Several of my friends and I have discussed it and we all think it&#39;s cool, but we are similar minded people in other ways as well, so I don&#39;t know how the "average woman" would react.

I think it&#39;s bunk about same sex people being better at giving head. I think people who are very into giving head are the best. The only exception I&#39;d make is for you big guys- guys probably are better if they have bigger mouths and throats. I can "perform" anything, but my enthusiam certainly isn&#39;t there for a woman. I did it a few times with my b/f and another couple, and that poor woman probably got the worst head of her life&#33; The only thing that saved me was that she was very bi-curious, so I let her believe that I&#39;d done it before. Since she hadn&#39;t she was happy to get anything. Nice lady, but it just left me flat. Now given the right guy and the right mood, I can suck cock with glee for two hours plus, and often have orgasms myself from giving head.
 

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You know, I&#39;m always amazed by female physiology, and this is one of those things which amazes me.
 

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Originally posted by jonb@Jan 8 2005, 01:27 AM
You know, I&#39;m always amazed by female physiology, and this is one of those things which amazes me.
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Good, then maybe you&#39;ll do a study on it and pass along your findings in your famous accurate dispassionate fashion. And please let me know if you need any test subjects. ;)
 
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ForumMcChicken: Bluespeedoz, I too am having sex with a very good and close friend. I thought myself straight, while my friend hasn&#39;t been without a girlfriend for more than a month the past 6 years&#33; He recently went through a break-up with a girl he had liked for quite a while and several weeks later when wondering about a girlfriend he said (with a tone of joking-ness in his voice and actions), "...Or I could shack up with Marshal" followed by a "snap and point" from both hands. My response was always something along the lines of, "Yeah, sure, Toby," in a sarcastic tone and everyone would laugh.

Then one night my roommate went to bed early, but I was wide awake, so I went next door to my friends room to hang out. His roommate (as usual) was alseep so we just watched some random videos off of his computer and then some Invader Zim on his tv.

When wondering what to do next, he did his whole "Hey, Marshal" schtick with me just rolling my eyes. Now in the past week or so I came to terms with myself that if he was serious about it, then I&#39;d alllow him if he made any moves outside of his shtick and see what it was like. So he came and laid on his bed with me (our backs were facing the wall and we were sharing the same pillow). He was holding my hand underneath the pillow as well as sensual stuff with his fingers on my own. He&#39;d then lightly bonk my head a few times and a few minutes later we were making out. Then there was rubbing of each others genetailia &#39;n stuff.

A week later we did it again (it was a busy week), but this time he had gotten on top of me and lowered himself onto my penis. A bit later we changed positions, allowing me on top.

Well, what I guess I mean is that you should allow your friend on top. I mean, what else are friends for? :D It won&#39;t hurt, and by that, I mean it won&#39;t hurt your heart, but your butt might for an hour or so the first time.

Also, sorry if it seemed that I high-jacked your thread. It&#39;s just that this is a kind of confessional since only my friend and I know about it. ^_^
 

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There could be an entire forum dedicated to non traditional male/male relationships. While my longest running friend is unlikely to do anything like that because he&#39;s busy with the being cool and such (doesn&#39;t that stop in your 20s?), there are several situations with fraternity brothers and past/future teammates.

Man, I&#39;m going to write a book on the subject.

On a side note, I just remembered something I&#39;d heard about my old high school. Apparently, in 99 or 2000, having male/male sex was something of a fad and you weren&#39;t cool if you DIDN&#39;T do it. Not sure how much truth there is to that, but I definite had the :blink: going on. In the early 2000&#39;s though I did notice an increase of younger males being open to doing stuff with another guy so long as no labels were thrown around.
 

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Originally posted by Kimahri@Jan 13 2005, 08:53 AM
There could be an entire forum dedicated to non traditional male/male relationships. While my longest running friend is unlikely to do anything like that because he&#39;s busy with the being cool and such (doesn&#39;t that stop in your 20s?), there are several situations with fraternity brothers and past/future teammates.

Man, I&#39;m going to write a book on the subject.

On a side note, I just remembered something I&#39;d heard about my old high school. Apparently, in 99 or 2000, having male/male sex was something of a fad and you weren&#39;t cool if you DIDN&#39;T do it. Not sure how much truth there is to that, but I definite had the :blink: going on. In the early 2000&#39;s though I did notice an increase of younger males being open to doing stuff with another guy so long as no labels were thrown around.
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yes, and some of the most "hate" jokes and teasing of gays comes from those very guys who enjoyed sex with other males while in their teens. It is the feminine gays who don&#39;t want any female sexual relationships that are targeted. Football players and get it on with both genders and do any acttivity. That is different. They aRe real guys. And those same guys that go both ways that are "real men" also make fun of feminine guys who have a girl friend and have never engaged in any sexual activity with another boy or man.
 

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Ok, maybe there is something to that. But I&#39;ve never experienced it truly and if I saw it, I put a stop to it. While I&#39;m not turned on by the more feminine guys and not having a lot in common with them, I&#39;m still friends with several.

Calling people gay seems to be a more of a joke than a harmful thing. But, I cannot truly say because maybe I&#39;m numb to the situation. As many of my friends are straight and the comment has been passed back and forth so much that I don&#39;t really notice it. I&#39;m not overly sensitive about being called a name, nor am I unwilling to invite the chap outside for fisticuffs. but I know that is just me and not many others.....something for me to consider.

Well, I can&#39;t be right all the time. :)
 

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Yeah, well, that&#39;s normal; you&#39;d be surprised how many guys are open to different sexualities as long as there are no labels going around.
 

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Originally posted by jonb@Jan 13 2005, 06:40 PM
Yeah, well, that&#39;s normal; you&#39;d be surprised how many guys are open to different sexualities as long as there are no labels going around.
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No, I wouldn&#39;t be surprised. Not at all.

But, I never meant for this to be a battle of who thinks what is right. There are plenty of guys out there that could benefit from such understanding and relationships. I&#39;ve seen it, both gay and straight. And if labels could be lessened in importance...I think things would be better.

There is so much to say on this matter, yet I don&#39;t want to cause a rift and such. Until a guy or girl finds their mate...there is so much beauty that can be found in a same sex experience.
 

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Originally posted by Kimahri@Jan 13 2005, 04:13 PM
Ok, maybe there is something to that. But I&#39;ve never experienced it truly and if I saw it, I put a stop to it. While I&#39;m not turned on by the more feminine guys and not having a lot in common with them, I&#39;m still friends with several.

Calling people gay seems to be a more of a joke than a harmful thing. But, I cannot truly say because maybe I&#39;m numb to the situation. As many of my friends are straight and the comment has been passed back and forth so much that I don&#39;t really notice it. I&#39;m not overly sensitive about being called a name, nor am I unwilling to invite the chap outside for fisticuffs. but I know that is just me and not many others.....something for me to consider.

Well, I can&#39;t be right all the time. :)
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You may be right depending on where you live. In the South.....it is different. Except yes, in our area kids call each other gay or that is a gay thing, but at least in my area it is a put down. The religious right are the largest religious group in this area. Need I say more? (About our area)

But you are a sweetheart. Most guys won&#39;t say those words "I can&#39;t be right all the time" I was already deciding you were a person that I liked. Those words did it. You have character. And you are honest. Welcome as a friend.

Freddie

*Freddie is taking mental note, Why can&#39;t I be right all the time?*
*Then God said, Because that would make you a conceited ass*
 

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Reviving an old thread here because it is something I'm dying to ask about....

Though it puzzles me to finally admit it to myself, I guess I seem to have a crush on one of my very, very best and closest male friends. Let's call him R.

Except for him, I confidently feel straight. I fantasize about girls all the time, and do my best to hook up with them; I absolutely love foreplay, finding it more exciting than sex because I can make it last longer and the girls get more uninhibited and "wild" as I go further with it. When I'm sucking a girl's tits or tonguing or fingerfucking her, I can totally control the pace and immerse myself in doing things to her, just be the star of her world, her relentless orgasm king, for a while, have her sexy body totally tuned into me and responding to me for however long as I want (or as long as she'll let me). My absolute favorite thing in the whole world is to get girls off just by sucking and milking and nibbling their tits. I could do it all night, but none has ever let me for more than about 2.5 hours. Inevitably they'll tell me afterwards that most guys can't be bothered with it for more than a few minutes, that I'm special for it, and it makes me feel ten feet tall.

The guy in question, R., is likewise straight: a total jock who has dated and laid lots of girls, shows off for them and is extremely confident around them, to the point where he's been pursued--and used--by several at once. His current girlfriend is a drop-dead knockout.

R. and I were very frequent j/o buddies from junior high up to post-college. I am not exaggerating when I say it was at least 200 times that we'd meet up in one or another's houses or dorm rooms to look at porn (straight only) and beat off together. We never touched each other, but we certainly saw each other naked and masturbating, asked and answered extremely personal questions about dick sizes, cum volume, exactly what we'd done with this or that girl, favorite positions, fantasies, "would you ever____?", "is it gay if you______?", commented on the sounds each others' dick made splashing in the spit used for lube, sometimes even jokingly playing "Name That Tune" with it.... "Jingle Bells," for instance, was easy to do. During the course of these games we each recognized that I was more endowed than he was but that he was more experienced than me.

As the years went by I found myself looking forward to these sessions more and more. I'd outgrown all my other j/o pals by no later than the middle of high school, and in retrospect don't miss them. But--especially as we got further into college years--I found that when getting together for a session with R., I'd get very agitated and excited, just about *exactly* as I would when first making out with a girl. Like, the physical and emotional "wind-up" elements seem just about the same. And that those feelings would then carry over into totally non-sexual interactions like watching normal movies or playing video games or just even *talking*.

I really want to give him a blowjob. I have dreamed about doing it. In some years, it has been in equal frequency with dreams / fantasies about women; in other years, it was less him and more them, maybe 25 / 75 instead of 50 / 50. But even at those relatively low points, it was still there. I can't believe I actually said that, in "public." But it's true. I wonder if I could use my mouth to make him squirm and freak out and lose the power of speech, like with girls' tits. I want that feeling of accomplishment.

I am certain--absolutely dead certain--that if I had made the appropriate offer years ago, before he had grown more confident around girls and gotten any longterm girlfriends, that he would have taken me up on it. I would have phrased it as *him* doing *me* a favor by letting me suck him, because I was curious about whatever or wanted a technique tip for some girl, whatever. But that was then and this is now--and now he is, as I said, going steady with a girl who might as well be a supermodel, and the two of us haven't whacked off together in about 4 years.

Has anyone else been through this? Do other guys kind of "wonder" about a special close friend, and have absolutely no idea what to do about it? Is there still any chance I could broach this topic with him, or have I missed the boat on adolescent experimentation and now at this point in our lives it would it be just a recipe for disaster? He isn't a violent guy, I'm not worried about that. But if he thinks he's moved beyond something, or was only just playing the whole time.... I really wouldn't want to risk our friendship and have him freaked out and avoiding me from now on.
 
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Reviving an old thread here because it is something I'm dying to ask about....

Though it puzzles me to finally admit it to myself, I guess I seem to have a crush on one of my very, very best and closest male friends. Let's call him R.

Except for him, I confidently feel straight. I fantasize about girls all the time, and do my best to hook up with them; I absolutely love foreplay, finding it more exciting than sex because I can make it last longer and the girls get more uninhibited and "wild" as I go further with it. When I'm sucking a girl's tits or tonguing or fingerfucking her, I can totally control the pace and immerse myself in doing things to her, just be the star of her world, her relentless orgasm king, for a while, have her sexy body totally tuned into me and responding to me for however long as I want (or as long as she'll let me). My absolute favorite thing in the whole world is to get girls off just by sucking and milking and nibbling their tits. I could do it all night, but none has ever let me for more than about 2.5 hours. Inevitably they'll tell me afterwards that most guys can't be bothered with it for more than a few minutes, that I'm special for it, and it makes me feel ten feet tall.

The guy in question, R., is likewise straight: a total jock who has dated and laid lots of girls, shows off for them and is extremely confident around them, to the point where he's been pursued--and used--by several at once. His current girlfriend is a drop-dead knockout.

R. and I were very frequent j/o buddies from junior high up to post-college. I am not exaggerating when I say it was at least 200 times that we'd meet up in one or another's houses or dorm rooms to look at porn (straight only) and beat off together. We never touched each other, but we certainly saw each other naked and masturbating, asked and answered extremely personal questions about dick sizes, cum volume, exactly what we'd done with this or that girl, favorite positions, fantasies, "would you ever____?", "is it gay if you______?", commented on the sounds each others' dick made splashing in the spit used for lube, sometimes even jokingly playing "Name That Tune" with it.... "Jingle Bells," for instance, was easy to do. During the course of these games we each recognized that I was more endowed than he was but that he was more experienced than me.

As the years went by I found myself looking forward to these sessions more and more. I'd outgrown all my other j/o pals by no later than the middle of high school, and in retrospect don't miss them. But--especially as we got further into college years--I found that when getting together for a session with R., I'd get very agitated and excited, just about *exactly* as I would when first making out with a girl. Like, the physical and emotional "wind-up" elements seem just about the same. And that those feelings would then carry over into totally non-sexual interactions like watching normal movies or playing video games or just even *talking*.

I really want to give him a blowjob. I have dreamed about doing it. In some years, it has been in equal frequency with dreams / fantasies about women; in other years, it was less him and more them, maybe 25 / 75 instead of 50 / 50. But even at those relatively low points, it was still there. I can't believe I actually said that, in "public." But it's true. I wonder if I could use my mouth to make him squirm and freak out and lose the power of speech, like with girls' tits. I want that feeling of accomplishment.

I am certain--absolutely dead certain--that if I had made the appropriate offer years ago, before he had grown more confident around girls and gotten any longterm girlfriends, that he would have taken me up on it. I would have phrased it as *him* doing *me* a favor by letting me suck him, because I was curious about whatever or wanted a technique tip for some girl, whatever. But that was then and this is now--and now he is, as I said, going steady with a girl who might as well be a supermodel, and the two of us haven't whacked off together in about 4 years.

Has anyone else been through this? Do other guys kind of "wonder" about a special close friend, and have absolutely no idea what to do about it? Is there still any chance I could broach this topic with him, or have I missed the boat on adolescent experimentation and now at this point in our lives it would it be just a recipe for disaster? He isn't a violent guy, I'm not worried about that. But if he thinks he's moved beyond something, or was only just playing the whole time.... I really wouldn't want to risk our friendship and have him freaked out and avoiding me from now on.
 
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I'm a "if it feels good, do it" kinda guy. I also don't think it makes a bit of difference masculinity wise if you're on the top or the bottom. Either way you're still fucking a man. The one thing I have to say about your situation is this: if you're with a woman in the future and she finds out you fucked a guy and didn't tell her about it, she'll damn near kill you. Believe me, she won't care if you were fucking or getting fucked. Too late, you already did it...if you really want to be with a woman, make sure she's open minded. There are plenty out there. Good luck.
 

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I am a 32 yo gay male and have been out for many years. My best friend of 8 years who is straight and married with children, he and I have sex fairly regularly. It started with us about five years ago, we were talking one day on the phone and he out of the blue mentioned how he would love me to suck his cock and that is how it started. He and I are very close. I, the gay guy, have actually never bottomed for him, he loves it! So I give it to him.

I don't think he feels less of a man because he takes "the cock" as we call it! You should also. It is sex. Enjoy it! You are not any lesser of a man if you like it.

I think it is healthy and more people should be open to those feeling. I think you and myself are very lucky. We have both found people we love and trust.
 
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