"Sextasy" - experiences

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  1. faceking

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    Curious if ppl here have tried sextasy... basically a viagra (or substitute) following a lil' methylenedioxymethamphetamine (AKA ecstasy). Note: the latter is only available via a prescription from a clinical physician.

    Gave it a serious go yesterday... and wow. I jerked off for about 30 to 40 minutes, then came ridiculously, then started up again (as you know who wouldn't go down) and came again in the shower getting ready to go out. Wound up getting dinner with this girl I'm seeing, then back to her place... three more orgasms (keep in mind 3 is about tops for me these days) in two sessions of sex. Woke up the next morning... and 2 more in one session. Granted I'm furiously aching, both behind my balls and a few muscles... but what a mix. The continued drive/demand for sex and ability to meet that demand...

    Anyone know if this is dangerous... I couldn't find anything on the 'net... and spare me the "this mixing business is never good rhetoric" unless there is good argument thereof.
     
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    Well ecstasy does something to the brain, cuts off a supply of an essential biochemical for the duration of the dose and can cause depression/paranoia and the mood it gives you (not the drug itself or any of its componenets) can be addictive. Viagra is viagra...
     
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    Ecstasy, or 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine, or C11H15NO2, is dangerous. Therefore a cocktail involving ecstasy is dangerous. A few of its dangers:

    Dehydration -- obvious problem. Some people drink lots of water to prevent this, but that causes water intoxication or hyponatremia.
    Brain damage -- a metabolite of MDMA in cells containing dopamine is hydrogen peroxide, which causes oxidation damage. Some people take SSRIs such as Prozac and Zoloft to counter this, but that's not recommended. (Read up on the serotonin syndrome.)
    Date rape -- women, be careful when taking ecstasy. It makes you extremely susceptible to suggestion.
    Hyperthermia -- your body temperature can reach 109F (43C) or even higher on ecstasy.

    Of course, ecstasy's proponents make the exact same claims that were made about LSD in the 60s.
     
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    >and can cause depression/paranoia

    negativo... not if it's what it should be (MDMA)... if anything it's meant to treat exactly that.

    there is some rumour'd heart stuff... via Viagra opens up blood vessels, and the street form of MDMA tends to contain illegal substances that increase heart rates and the like...
     
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    >>Dehydration -- obvious problem. Some people drink lots of water to prevent this, but that causes water intoxication or hyponatremia.

    That is from the "dance scene" as ppl tend to keep going and going, and never hydrate. I see that as more of a behavioral problem... that can be overcome going into it.

    found this:

    POSITIVE
    extreme mood lift
    increased willingness to communicate
    increase in energy (stimulation)
    ego softening
    feelings of comfort, belonging, and closeness to others
    feelings of love and empathy
    forgiveness
    increased awareness & appreciation of music
    increased awareness of senses. (eating, drinking, smell)
    profound life-changing spiritual experiences
    neurotically based fear dissolution
    sensations bright and intense
    urge to hug and kiss people
    NEUTRAL
    appetite loss
    visual distortion
    rapid, involuntary eye jiggling (nystagmus)
    mild visual hallucinations (uncommon)
    moderately increased heart rate and blood pressure (increases with dose)
    restlessness, nervousness, shivering
    change in body temperature regulation
    strong desire to do or want more when coming down
    NEGATIVE
    (negative side effects increase with higher doses and frequent use)

    inappropriate and/or unintended emotional bonding
    tendency to say things you might feel uncomfortable about later
    mild to extreme jaw clenching (trisma), tongue and cheek chewing, and teeth grinding (bruxia)
    difficulty concentrating & problems with activities requiring linear focus
    short-term memory scramble or loss & confusion
    muscle tension
    erectile disfunction and difficulty reaching orgasm
    increase in body temperature, hyperthermia, dehydration (drink water)
    hyponatremia (don't drink too much water)
    nausea and vomiting
    headaches, dizziness, loss of balance, and vertigo
    post-trip Crash - unpleasantly harsh comedown from the peak effect
    hangover the next day, lasting days to weeks
    mild depression and fatigue for up to a week
    severe depression and/or fatigue (uncommon)
    possible strong urge to repeat the experience, though not physically addictive
    possible psychological crisis requiring hospitalization (psychotic episodes, severe panic attacks, etc) (rare)
    possible liver toxicity (rare)
    possible neurotoxicity (controversial)
    small risk of death. Approximately 2 per 100,000 users have extreme negative reactions resulting in death. (rare)


    CONTRAINDICATIONS:

    Do not take MDMA if you are currently taking prescription MAOIs. MAOIs are most commonly found in the prescription anti-depressants Nardil (phenelzine), Parnate (tranylcypromine), Marplan (isocarboxazid), Eldepryl (l-deprenyl), and Aurorix / Manerix (moclobemide). Ayahuasca also contains MAOIs (harmine and harmaline). MDMA and MAOIs are a potentially dangerous combination.


    Avoid taking MDMA if you are currently using the protease inhibitor Ritonavir. This may be a life-threatening combination.


    Individuals with a history of heart ailments, high blood pressure, aneurism or stroke, glaucoma, hepatic (liver) or renal (kidney) disorders, or hypoglycemia may be at higher risk. Special consideration should be taken when combining MDMA & Viagra.


    Avoid other strong stimulants in combination with MDMA.


    MDMA use can exacerbate depression in some users and cause depressions with heavy or frequent use.


    MDMA use can cause severe crashes and hangovers in some users.


    Avoid high doses and frequent use. Over the last 15 years, many studies have shown that the higher the dose and more frequent the use, the worse the long term after-effects may be.


    A small percentage of users seem to react with extreme sensitivity to MDMA and experience overly strong effects at normal doses. Although it was previously speculated that sensitivity was related to the liver enzyme CYP-2D6, there is mounting evidence that CYP-2D6 does not play a critical role in sensitivity or adverse reactions. See the CYP-2D6 & MDMA Pharmacology Page.


    Overheating: MDMA use can lead to hyperthermia (overheating) especially in those who are exerting themselves for long periods of time. It is important for users to pay attention to their bodies and make sure they aren't overheating. Take breaks from dancing. Step outside for a moment if the temperature in the room is high. Make sure to drink enough, but not too much, water.


    Hyponatremia / Water Intoxication: Some ecstasy users overreact to the overheating and dehydration issue by obsessively over-drinking. When drinking large amounts of water it's important to mix in sports drinks or salty snacks to avoid the very real dangers of hyponatremia (low salt), which can cause serious health problems including death. MDMA can cause changes in the body's diuretic hormone, leading to much higher susceptibility to hyponatremia. Drink water, but don't drink too much.


    Neurotoxicity: Risk of long term changes to serotonin increases with dose and frequency of use. Controversial.
     
  6. Knight

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    It causes depression and paranoia not when you take it but after, there can be withdrawls, after effects etc.
     
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    Ecstacy makes yer brain release all of the hormone that makes you feel happy all at once. Because it releases it all at once, you get that euphoric feeling. However, it takes a bit for the saratonin (there's the word I'm looking for!) to regenerate, so, when you take it again within a 6 month period, that damages yer brain. The high isn't as intense, so the person will take more. So, eventually, yer brain becomes swiss cheese.


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    It&#39;s not a physicaly addictive drug. People who are "addicted" to ecstacy only think they need it. It&#39;s a psychological addiction.



    Edit: I&#39;m a person that believes that, as long as yer not hurting anyone, you should be allowed to do whatever you want to yer bod. However, I am against mixing different drugs. If you wanna take E, take it. If you want a fun night and take some Viagra, go for it. Just don&#39;t mix the 2.
     
  8. Imported

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    Driveway: Kay...clearly there&#39;s some misinformation floating around out there...

    Ecstacy causes your brain to dump seratonin, which is a chemical found in your brain that is involved with mood and sleep regulation among other things. It is also a Schedule One controlled substance and is absolutely not available by prescription in North America...if you took something that was prescribed to you...it wasn&#39;t E.

    The biggest danger of combining E and viagra is that they both cause increased blood pressure, this can be extremely dangerous if you have a pre-existing condition.

    E, though it does cause some sweating, will rarely be solely responsible for overheating. This myth is a result of the popularity of E among the all-night dance crowd.

    E does cause feelings of openess, joy, "body rushes", and is the only narcotic which I would absolutely recommend to anyone and everyone.

    There is some evidence that it leaves "holes" in your brain. These are not actual gaps, but areas that show reduced neural activity. It does nothing to your spine or spinal fluid. It does not make you more suceptible to suggestion nor does it alter your thinking.
     
  9. Imported

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    carolinacurious: I&#39;m actually a big fan of mixing drugs, I also believe that the vast majority of people are unwilling to do the necessary research to even consider it.

    IN GENERAL ECSTASY IS A VERY SPECIAL DRUG. COMBINING ECSTASY WITH ANY(&#33;*) OTHER DRUG WILL USUALLY BE VERY DANGEROUS OR WILL INTERFERE WITH THE FUN YOU SHOULD BE HAVING ON THE X&#33;

    * Any means any, including but not limited to: cold and allergy medication(&#33;), anti-depressants, ANY "Speed" or "upper"(&#33;), alcohol.

    Many kids who experiment with "lighter/softer" drugs who wouldn&#39;t even consider doing coke or "harder" drugs want to try "E". Which in my book is fine BUT remember, unlike pot or shrooms, ECSTASY CAN KILL YOU&#33; It can also be one hell of a good time, do some basic research, please.

    Driveway, I was right there with you (not so much on the holes in the brain thing but I know what you&#39;re talking about) UNTIL, "It does not make you more suceptible to suggestion nor does it alter your thinking." WHAT DRUG WERE YOU TAKING?&#33; But yes, you won&#39;t rob a bank on it if someone tells you to and the "date rape" aspect is way overstated.

    Back to the actual topic: (Damn, I wish I&#39;d known this back when I used to ..... Viagra had just come out and the combo was considered much more dangerous.- still wouldn&#39;t consider it if I had a heart condition)

    http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_health7.shtml

     
  10. Imported

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    carolinacurious: Faceking, Not all the warning and shouting was necessarily for you, one never knows who else might be reading. (Although you did mix without knowing .....)

    I hope you didn&#39;t get turned off by the shouting and not make it through the entire post, there are health warnings that DIRECTLY address your concerns in the quote I provided.
     
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    Call me a prude, but I would not advocate taking E under any circumstances. I knew a young man, only 18, who died of a stroke after taking a low dose of E for maybe the third time in his life. He&#39;d never felt any adverse effects before. THIS IS A VERY DANGEROUS DRUG. But, of course, if you feel that the pleasure is greater than the danger of E, I don&#39;t see why the danger of mixing drugs would be a deterrent, either.
     
  12. Imported

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    carolinacurious:
    Because they really are two seperate issues, one is more dangerous than the other, crack is more dangerous than beer, heroin is more dangerous than cigarrettes; "Just Say No" used this same logic and didn&#39;t work.

    I&#39;m not trying to convince anyone to do any drugs but I don&#39;t mind trying to help people who are going to do them do them safer. I have already said that X can be dangerous and that anyone considering doing it should research what they are getting into.

    Sorry about your friend but this is nearly impossible. I mean kids die from eating trace amounts of peanuts so anything can happen. IF he didn&#39;t have a previous condition AND IF what he took was actually E, AND IF there were no extenuating circumstances (like dancing himself to death/overheating, other medications taken) I find this VERY hard to believe and would be curious to see in which medical journal it&#39;s published.

    Unfortunately, the danger that what your friend took was not actually MDMA is very real and almost anything that would be substituted for E is much more dangerous than E itself. This is a very serious problem and regardless of the reason it must be taken into consideration but I would like to mention that when MDMA was legal this particular problem didn&#39;t exist.
     
  13. Pene_Negro_Grande

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    Yeah - there seems to be a lot of confusion here like someone pointed out...I am not going to give my opinion but I have researched...I probably pop 1 or 2 of these little pills every Saturday night while I am at a club and have mixed w/other recreational drugs...I personally have not felt the depression or mood swings or anything else physically or psycologically yet and I have been doing this for about 3yrs...Don&#39;t think it is addictive from what I have read or experienced myself - I mean of course I would love to feel the way I feel on E everyday - but know it is not possible - after you deminish your serotonin - you can&#39;t even roll anymore for the week...At least that is my experience...I do believe in only doing w/a group of friends so we watch for each other...
     
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    Guess I&#39;m the oddball as usual&#33; Never done drugs, never plan to. I think im fine without it (Fine maybe some Prozac isn&#39;t out of the question&#33;) but i mean illegal things.
     
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    Never done anything here either. Had surgery a little over a year ago and had some great drugs for that (Vicadin and Percocet), great stuff. Just don&#39;t use drugs that often, not even tylenol.
     
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    SL55///AMG:
    A 109 degree fever is close to death, most normal bodily functions cease and you are basically in a coma... Ex also creates small craters on the surface of the brain... almost like neural necrotization. Ex never has a consistant mix in it.. you never know what you are getting... good luck though&#33;
     
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    carolinacurious: Can&#39;t say that I&#39;m exactly typical either. I can&#39;t remember the last time I had too much to drink, many years. Don&#39;t smoke weed regularly any more. Haven&#39;t done E or any hallucinogen in several years although I would if the right situation came along. Up until a year or so ago I had gone almost 20 years without taking any OTC pain medications. A stupid childhood injury pretty much requires me to take a fair amount of Aleve and the doctors finally convinced me to do the aspirin a day thing but I&#39;d gladly chuck those and the few prescription medications I take if I felt that I could. (Not addicted, they just seem to solve more problems than they cause.)

    I wasn&#39;t raised around drugs but I knew with absolute certainty from a very young age that I would try several drugs; I figured out enough from some drawings in MAD magazine that I wanted to experience whatever it was that was influencing the way some drawing was done. I also remember hearing a recording of John Lennon and Paul McCartney talking while on acid and my immediate reaction (I was probably around 10) was that I had to know what was making them think that way and I had to experience thinking that way myself.

    With the exception of pot I was in my mid twenties before I was able to put together the knowledge, the proper friends, and sources that I was comfortable with but I always knew it was going to happen.
     
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    Yeah, the neural necrosis is one of the more dangerous side effects. Lots of wonderful stuff associated with X.
     
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    carolinacurious:
    Most of it seriously questioned by more recent research and/or not applicable to anything approaching a normal human dose or moderate infrequent use.

    Also, where once a week, just on weekends would be considered moderate infrequent use for alcohol and mj, two hits every weekend for three years would not be considered moderate infrequent use for X.
     
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    Yeah I have read some new research that says E is not as dangerous as was thought in previous years since there has now been longer research on the side effects - not going to elaborate too much because I don&#39;t have the info in front of me...I personally like it and probably all of my friends like it too...
     
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