"Sextasy" - experiences

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But that's just it: No one ever takes a drug moderately. I mean, one of the biggest hypocrisies is the liquor industry's "drink responsibly" disclaimer. They don't want you to drink responsibly; hell, two-thirds of their business is binge drinkers.

There's a similar shell game with nutritional data; most people eat far more than the serving size.
 
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carolinacurious: I'm probably going to bow out on this one soon because while I don't like the spread of misinformation I never intended to write a "joy of drugs" piece or a "how to" manual.

But that's just it: No one ever takes a drug moderately.

"No one ever" will get you into a lot of trouble, but there is a hell of a lot of truth in what you've said.

Back "in the day" the hippies I hung out with did tend to take X infrequently and fairly moderately, actually most of the people I hung out with were true "moderates", I personally had a bit of a problem with moderation although not with frequency, and I eventually learned better myself.

Second only to hallucinogens, X seems to have some built in mechanisms that discourage frequent or immoderate use: 1. It's expensive - most people may want to do more as they are coming down but they can't get it/don't have it. 2. If you do a little more at the right time, you can extend the trip but that's it, you basically get one extension (maybe two) but then it's over, you can try, doing God only know what sort of damage to your brain but it doesn't work. You can't just keep on going like with coke or meth. 3. "Hair of the dog" doesn't work, and the sooner you do it, the less of an effect it will have.

Anyway, I have seen moderate use with X, it can be done and it's actually more likely than with most other drugs.

The rave/circuit scene is its own deal and while I'm sure it's a lot of fun it has many problems.

I do have to wonder though: I don't believe most of the "rave kids" are actually doing X, except for the first couple of times you do it, X doesn't last long enough. "Man, we did this great "e" and I danced for like 10 hours and I had all this energy and felt great the next day!" Sorry, not on X. (unless it was your first time AND you were very lucky)


I probably pop 1 or 2 of these little pills every Saturday night while I am at a club and have mixed w/other recreational drugs...I personally have not felt the depression or mood swings or anything else physically or psycologically yet and I have been doing this for about 3yrs

I jerked off for about 30 to 40 minutes, then came ridiculously, then started up again (as you know who wouldn't go down) and came again in the shower getting ready to go out. Wound up getting dinner with this girl I'm seeing, then back to her place... three more orgasms (keep in mind 3 is about tops for me these days) in two sessions of sex. Woke up the next morning... and 2 more in one session.

Now, I'm not calling bullshit and please don't get offended but there are small things in both of these accounts that do not match my (considerable) experience as both witness and participant. The differences in both (particularly faceking's) could be explained by lower dosages. The differences with PNG (very small) could possibly be explained by what he means by "physically" or something else (dosage/purity).
 

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Carolinacurious - not offended at all...I just reread my statement and I do see what you might be misleading about what I said...When I said I don't feel anything physical - I mean side effect wise or craving it in an addictive manner...I definitely feel the effects of the drug when I do them...And the one I take definitely hit me pretty hard - harder than a lot of folks I hang out with...But I normally feel ok the next day but I do take a lot of vitamin supplements and workout which I feel helps that and drink tons of water - I really crave water normally...But party on...Actually my friends and I do this every weekend...We are really into the club scene...But like I said I personally only reserve it for Saturday and I go out every Thursday, Friday and Saturday night...The scene that I hang in - there is always a special event party or great dj playing every weekend or I am traveling to different city and I have to find the hottest club in the city to party...In fact I will be into Vegas in a couple of weeks and will definitely be looking for the hot spot...
 
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Driveway: Every weekend? Good gravy man! Watch yourself.

What I meant about E not affecting your thinking is that it's been my experience that being on E doesn't affect my ability to reason, make desicions, or anything like that. I'm still myself, aware of where I am, what I'm doing, who I'm with, and if what the stranger I'm talking to just suggested is a a stupid idea or not.

If you use "I was high" as an excuse for doing ANYTHING, you're an idiot and I have no time for you.
 
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carolinacurious: PNG,

Yup, that clears it up. It sounds like you've done your research, I feel obligated to point out that you ARE a frequent user, maybe not AS frequent as some people you know, but still. Anyway, If I were you I'd watch the research VERY closely but enough lecturing, have fun.
 

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Definitely agree w/you about using I was high as an excuse...But I have been in situation where I kind of snap of of that E daze and notice I am talking to someone or can't remember how or why I am talking to this person...That is why I try to hang out w/a group of guys and girls I know so we can take care of each other...We usually travel deep as a group...At least 8 to 15 guys and girls at a given time...
 

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Originally posted by carolinacurious@Feb 14 2005, 06:04 PM
PNG,

Yup, that clears it up. It sounds like you've done your research, I feel obligated to point out that you ARE a frequent user, maybe not AS frequent as some people you know, but still. Anyway, If I were you I'd watch the research VERY closely but enough lecturing, have fun.
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Yeah - thanks...I have done the research because I still thing I am a novice to the whole drug thing...I mean I didn't do any drugs and still don't smoke cigarettes till well after I graduated from college - just didn't have a desire even though most of my friends did...I even use to help friends get it for 3yrs before I even participated...And I think it is cool I waited because I understand I have responsibilities and that you can't let the drugs take over you life...I must admit when I first got started - I have experimented w/a lot of different drugs but probably tried it once and was like I know this is not for me and never desired to do it again (especially the hard stuff)...But erowid.org is a great research tool when it comes to drugs...
 

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My favorite is still the claim of "spiritual experiences". Is that shades of Carlos Castaneda? (Suffice it to say, if it is, that don't impress me much.)
 
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carolinacurious:
My favorite is still the claim of "spiritual experiences". Is that shades of Carlos Castaneda?

I don't think Castaneda ever wrote about E. I'm not really sure what Carlos or any problem you may have had with his writing has to do with this.


Anyone who tells you they have a guaranteed spiritual experience in a pill (or in a church, a book or on a mountaintop) is full of shit and anyone who believes it is a fool.

If a spiritual experience is what you are looking for and you would like to look for it using chemicals then X wouldn't be MY first choice. (see above sentence again if necessary)

BUT

I can't imagine how something that can bring about the following could possibly result in a spiritual experience:

extreme mood lift
increased willingness to communicate
increase in energy (stimulation)
ego softening
feelings of comfort, belonging, and closeness to others
feelings of love and empathy
forgiveness
increased awareness & appreciation of music
increased awareness of senses. (eating, drinking, smell)
neurotically based fear dissolution
sensations bright and intense
urge to hug and kiss people

No, wait, I can.
 

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Castaneda would be pre-E. Suffice it to say, Castaneda was himself a total fraud.

Either way, it reminds me of LSD in the 60s, and Brave New World as well.
 

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I feel compelled to add that a recent study in NYC found a higher rate of HIV infection among gay men that used meth during sex. Any substance use that reduces your impairment and/or encourages you to have unsafe sex with more partners is risky. Be careful out there.
 

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Originally posted by carolinacurious@Feb 13 2005, 05:24 PM
Faceking, Not all the warning and shouting was necessarily for you, one never knows who else might be reading. (Although you did mix without knowing .....)

I hope you didn't get turned off by the shouting and not make it through the entire post, there are health warnings that DIRECTLY address your concerns in the quote I provided.
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No offense taken... just looking for experiences (a la enjoyment) not the lecture. Which is okay for ppl to get into, but not what I was looking for.

I may address a NUMBER of fallacies in this thread... reminds me of some of the old knocks on "reefer" in the 30s (note: i do not do cannabis).

Yeah, I once knew a guy who died his third time getting bombed on booze... it's called careful moderation.
 

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>>It causes depression and paranoia not when you take it but after, there can be withdrawls, after effects etc.


Fallacy, in fact, this is one drug that has no 'down' after effect. What you are referring to is someone (or perhaps yourself) that had something else, and/or something else cut in with it.

Real MDMA you can fall asleep in your normal sleep patterns when taking it, drive and function normally. Problem is, the "street" version of it nowadays has lord knows what.
 
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carolinacurious:
this is one drug that has no 'down' after effect.


Acute and Subacute Side Effects of MDMA Reported side effects of MDMA are modest and generally not associated with great discomfort by volunteers. Reported acute side effects are summarized in Table 2.2, subacute effects are listed in Table 2.3 and 2.4. Decreased appetite, jaw clenching, and dry mouth are commonly reported during peak MDMA effects, while fatigue may be felt up to several days after MDMA. Less commonly, mild anxiety and depressed mood are reported one and three days after MDMA administration (Liechti et al. 2000b; Liechti and Vollenweider 2000a; b; Vollenweider et al. 1998a). The time course of these symptoms is similar to that reported for amphetamines (Watson et al. 1972). Not all reports have described side effects of MDMA in enough detail to allow inclusion in these tables.

http://www.maps.org/research/mdma/protocol/review2.pdf
 
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carolinacurious:
Castaneda would be pre-E. Suffice it to say, Castaneda was himself a total fraud.

Either way, it reminds me of LSD in the 60s, and Brave New World as well.


Ok, Casteneda was writing in California at UCLA at the same time that college researchers in California were experimenting with MDMA but Carlos was pre-E, So Carlos never did E but he was a total fraud but he still has something to do with this discussion about E and boner pills.

But peoples' discussion of a drug with pronounced mental effects reminds you of earlier discussions of another drug with pronouced mental effects before you were born and a book written by one of the first "western" psychedelic explorers as well. Ok.

What?

Are you sure you're not tripping now?
 

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Originally posted by aloofman@Feb 15 2005, 10:02 PM
I feel compelled to add that a recent study in NYC found a higher rate of HIV infection among gay men that used meth during sex. Any substance use that reduces your impairment and/or encourages you to have unsafe sex with more partners is risky. Be careful out there.
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Well actually I carry condoms - at least 2 in my pocket every Saturday night when I use E and never been that impaired to slip on a jimmy cap...Not into the meth stuff though - tried it didn't really get an effect and didn't like it...Personally don't see how that impairs you....
 
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carolinacurious: "Personally don't see how that impairs you...."

E is a major disinhibitor. It's good that you're a concientious top. It can be bad if you're a bottom with a really insistent top who doesn't have/want to use a condom. Not that you can't say no, you're just more trusting and vulnerable.
 

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Castaneda was one of the people who argued drugs could bring about a spiritual experience. In his case, he used a Yaqui sorceror named Don Juan. (And don't ask me why no one realized the name was made up.)

But trust me, taking a happy pill won't make the negativity of the world go away.