"Sextasy" - experiences

[zzorus]

Originally posted by jonb@Feb 16 2005, 09:20 AM
Castaneda would be pre-E. Suffice it to say, Castaneda was himself a total fraud.

Either way, it reminds me of LSD in the 60s, and Brave New World as well.

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Also Huxley's last novel Island ( 1962).

 

[13788]

carolinacurious: jonb,

"one of the people who argued drugs could bring about a spiritual experience."

Am I correct in saying that (at least one of) your problems with this topic (off topic really, but you keep bringing it up) are people who have said that drugs can HELP bring about a spiritual experience? What makes you so sure that they can't? What sort of spiritual experience are you talking about?


"But trust me, taking a happy pill won't make the negativity of the world go away."

Different issue.(a common theme with you on this thread) I don't know of many (any) spiritual experiences that will make the negativity of the world go away.

 

[13788]

Bongermann: In my experience no drug takes away reality completely, but a few help you "live with" the world around you. E can help you feel more comfortable about things you can't change.

 

[dickbulge]

Hey guys I need some clarification here. Don't mean to be an ol dweeb but I need to know the difference between meth, crystal and tina. And I don't mean a trio of girl singers.

Meth must be MDMA or E. What about the other two?

I know tina gives a mildly euphoric sexy feeling, and it also depresses your appetite and disturbs your sleep patterns. And it makes your dick limp to the point Viagra is useless. Any other dangers here that I am unaware of?

It can make "regular" sex seem unexciting by comparison and that's bad. It can also loosen inhibitions and clould judgement which is also bad. I know how to deal with these effects.

What's it connection with meth or crystal?

 

[txquis]

I am one of the only people i've ever known who has never even *tried* any of these recreational drugs.
Man...after reading this thread, i dont intend to start.

 

[13788]

Bongermann: Never heard about "tina" but E/MDMA might be it, crystal is definetly meth/crystal. MDMA is NOT meth.

 

[Spork]

MDMA (Ecstacy, E, X) is not methamphetamine. It does not make holes in your brain. It does not drain your spinal fluid.

Here is an excellent source of information. Please note the "Safety and Neurotoxicity Discussion" section.
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_faq.shtml

"Before it was made illegal, MDMA was gaining a reputation among the psychiatric community as a valuable therapeutic tool. People under its influence often report seeing their lives in a whole new light. "I was completely blown away the first time I did X" said the same person quoted above. "I saw some of my problems that I didn't even know I had! All of a sudden, It seemed like the source, nature and sometimes even the solution of all my personal difficulties were completely obvious." Surfacing of repressed memories has also been reported.

Despite the legal risks surrounding Schedule I drugs, some therapists are still using MDMA in their practices. For a report on the subjective experiences and psychological/behavioral sequelae of 20 psychiatrists who took MDMA, see "Phenomenology and Sequelae of 3,4 Methylenedioxy-methamphetamine Use" (Liester, Grob, Bravo, and Walsh) in J. Nervous and Mental Disease, Vol 180, No. 6, June 1992, Serial No. 1315."

 

[Pene_Negro_Grande]

Okay from personal knowledge - Tina aka Ice - is meth and crystal - just a cleaner form and looks like shards of ice...I personally don't like it and probably done it 4 or 5 times (about 3 time accidentally think it was blow)...It burns like hell in your nose (another reason I don't like it)...I didn't get the euphoric feeling - but definitely kills your appetite and keeps you awake (seen people go 6 days w/o sleep) - a dream in the business I use to be in...But it does some weird things to people - I mean they sketch out - imagine people are after them or some crazy is going to happen get severe paranoria...This one really hot girl model was on it when we had a S. Beach shoot 2yrs ago and she kept packing and unpacking a suitcase while I was in a hotel room w/her...I was really drunk and she kept trying to feed me soup while I was passed out...All I can say is stay away from Tina - Ice - crystal - meth...Personally love E - I do it probably every Saturday - can 't wait till later tonight...

 

[jay_too]

Originally posted by Spork@Feb 19 2005, 01:26 AM
Despite the legal risks surrounding Schedule I drugs, some therapists are still using MDMA in their practices. For a report on the subjective experiences and psychological/behavioral sequelae of 20 psychiatrists who took MDMA, see "Phenomenology and Sequelae of 3,4 Methylenedioxy-methamphetamine Use" (Liester, Grob, Bravo, and Walsh) in J. Nervous and Mental Disease, Vol 180, No. 6, June 1992, Serial No. 1315."

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The Guardian reports that the military is using Ecstacy to treat PTSD [post traumatic stree disorder] in soldiers returning from Iraq. Apparently, it helps relieve the violent nightmares and helps soldiers to reconnect with people emotionally.

jay

 

[jonb]

Yeah, but this is the same administration which thinks medicine goes bad after five minutes above the 49th parallel. But then again, Scott Ritter (someone who, unlike Bush, actually has some military experience) compared Bush and Iraq to a kid on ecstasy; it's fine for a while, but he'll come crashing down to reality.

Personally, I've found psychiatric medicines are over-prescribed. They should primarily be used when the person's problems are chemical, as in bipolar disorder.

 

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carolinacurious:

Hey guys I need some clarification here. Don't mean to be an ol dweeb but I need to know the difference between meth, crystal and tina. And I don't mean a trio of girl singers.

Meth must be MDMA or E. What about the other two?"

Never heard about "tina" but E/MDMA might be it, crystal is definetly meth/crystal. MDMA is NOT meth.

MDMA (Ecstacy, E, X) is not methamphetamine. It does not make holes in your brain. It does not drain your spinal fluid.

Ok, meth, crystal, tina = 3 different forms of the same thing.

Here's where it gets confusing. E, X, MDMA, ecstasy = all different names for exactly the same thing which happen to be A methamphetamine BUT NOT what people mean when they say meth or methamphetamine. Chemically related but very different in practice.

Sorry Spork, otherwise very informative but "3,4 Methylenedioxy-methamphetamine" is A methamphetamine.

 

[Spork]

Sorry Spork, otherwise very informative but "3,4 Methylenedioxy-methamphetamine" is A methamphetamine.

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You are correct.

However, common usage of the word "meth" or "methamphetamine" refers to a different drug entirely -- "crystal", "tina", etc. I was trying to straighten out the people that were equating MDMA with crystal.

So: MDMA is a methamphetamine, but it's not "meth". Yes, it's confusing. And yes, E/X/MDMA does have stimulant effects: you're not going to sleep while you're on it. But it doesn't last nearly as long as crystal, and the effects on you, the user, are worlds apart.

I've seen many, many people completely screw up their lives, and the lives of those around them, on crystal. I haven't seen anything like that with E: the worst I've seen is a month or two of mild depression from someone who quit after a few years of using 2-3x a week. The people I know who are actually depressed or bipolar are much worse off.

If you're really worried about it, taking a Prozac about 2 hours after taking MDMA will block any neurotoxic effects.

 

[dickbulge]

Thanks, that cleared things up.

I know "tina' and crystal are whipped up in clandestine labs everywhere and the ingrediants are pretty common. So purity and strength must vary and dosage too. But my personal observation don't jive with it being more dangerous or worse than E as described here.

To stay up for more tha 24 hours takes repeated doses so those multi-day bouts are a deliberate abuse of your body and while it certainly does heighten sexual experence it also takes away the ability to perform. It seems to me you've got to be a little mixed up to want to do that on a regular basis!

If you slam (inject) it you are asking for touble but its not escessary.

Yeah, no doubt you get in a crappy mood as you come down and then the best thing is to be in tranquil physical space, with some one you like, where you've got the input and the output under control. That promotes safer sex too.

I may be off here and feel free to tell me. I'm a novice.

Crystal and tina are cheap and known as the trailer trash drug of choice so I wonder if there's some degree of elitism here.

 

[13788]

carolinacurious: Nice job spork, well explained.

Bulge,

"I may be off here and feel free to tell me. I'm a novice."

Go to erowid. You're doing a drug that while it may be somewhat unfairly demonized it really is dangerous. There seem to be plently of horror stories about meth; there's also a long history of legitimate medicinal usage.

If you're going to do it you might as well have as much info as possible.

"Crystal and tina are cheap and known as the trailer trash drug of choice so I wonder if there's some degree of elitism here."

I don't think so but I don't do meth. Both the high and the abuse potential are different.

 

[Pene_Negro_Grande]

Ice is some crazy stuff...I have seen people do some crazy stuff on that stuff...You do not want that - trust me...I actually didn't realize a couple of my friends do that until this past weekends...And Carolinacurious is right - I have partied at mansions of wealthy individuals and most of everyone was on tina/ice/meth...

I recall about 6 or 7 months ago - my friend decides to throw a little afterhours party at his mansion on Friday night...People were doing that crap and other party favors - my friend had it all laid out everywhere...The partying went till late Monday night...I personally went home early Saturday morning and came back like Sunday like 4am...But there were people who just stayed awake on the stuff till Monday...This one girl told me she was on day 5 of being away...Everyone looked really thin, pail and just not healthy like zombies...

I left my best friend (which was dumb since I know him) and he was like in a daze and gotten lost walking around the house...Granted the place is huge and I have gotten lost there but like for 10 mins but not almost 24hrs...There people getting rub down, people in Halloween costumes running around (it was not halloween)...I really just went back to get my best friend when he didn't make it back to his girlfriends and I didn't want her to see the scene...

I guess what I am trying to say - if you party on this stuff - be knowledgeable and careful...I have seen some people sketch out after one line and some that it took a day or so - but eventually they all sketch out...And it can be scary for you and everyone around you because in your mind you really believe something crazy is happening like the FBI is at the door or someone is after you...I seen people hurt themselves and others when they sketch out...Erowid.org is excellent to obtain knowledge you need...Also if you do this things - make sure someone you are with knows what you are doing just in case something happens because I have been in situations when something goes wrong that you probably will snap out in a hour or so by yourself w/o medical attention and someone else think you have overdosed and called the police...

And you don't want you emergency contact number (usually your parents) to get that call at 6 in the morning...And friends that do not know what going on will abandon you when the cops/ambulance arrive...I have seen a lot of stuff...Luckily when my friends and I party - we take care of each other...Funny I know some of my pals so well - I always have a plan of escape for them if something goes wrong...Take care and party resposiblily...

 

[summertime01]

Yaiofun & Txquis,
I also have never done these or any illegal/recreational drugs & never plan to, so here is one more oddball & sure do not mind being an oddball.

 

[Spork]

Originally posted by dickbulge@Feb 22 2005, 07:18 PM
To stay up for more tha 24 hours takes repeated doses so those multi-day bouts are a deliberate abuse of your body and while it certainly does heighten sexual experence it also takes away the ability to perform. It seems to me you've got to be a little mixed up to want to do that on a regular basis!

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Sadly, there are a lot of people who are mixed up in that way.

It's actually worse in rural America: places that have been friendly small towns for years now have crystal addicts breaking in to houses and stealing stuff. ATVs, family heirlooms, gun collections, you name it. People who have never locked their doors are suddenly having to deal with violent cracked-out assholes -- and they're local boys, too, not gangstas from the city.

E is self-regulating in the short term: unlike crystal, if you try to take more to stay high, it stops working entirely. Plus you won't feel much like breaking and entering when you're on E.

It's important to do your research before putting psychoactive chemicals in your body. This includes alcohol and nicotine -- just because a drug is legal doesn't mean it's safe, and just because a drug is illegal doesn't mean it's dangerous.

 

[faceking]

Wow... this thread took off... didn't get too many answers. Some ppl were quick to jump on it, but good to see a number of educated (and probably responsible) ppl. I have rarely smoked pot, but the other "recreational" stuff do in moderation on an occasional basis. But to revisit...

the morning after... quite interesting I've noticed is without the rush but you have an extremely affectionate/horny mood. Conferring with a few others, it's somewhat common. Also, to note, if you think you've been given MDMA and you are up all night, it's not that. I vehemently repeat, you can function in everyday life functions when used in moderation (driving, socializing, sleep, etc...). Orgasms for me last about 1/3 longer, and result in a few more shots/pulses.

 

[jonb]

Originally posted by Spork@Feb 23 2005, 06:02 PM
It's actually worse in rural America: places that have been friendly small towns for years now have crystal addicts breaking in to houses and stealing stuff.  ATVs, family heirlooms, gun collections, you name it.  People who have never locked their doors are suddenly having to deal with violent cracked-out assholes -- and they're local boys, too, not gangstas from the city.

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I chalk that common belief, that all drug use is urban, up to "red/blue mythology". 49% of drug use is urban. Guess where the other 51% is.

 

[virgin beaver]

Well I do meth and I'm a straight guy,who has thoughts about get fucked by a mans cock,but on meth that is all think about is other men and their cocks and pleasuring them. I becoming more feminine, I want to wear women's clothing and parties,high heels,stockings,garters,skirts,dresses. I want to have female breasts, and even getting my penis surgically turned into a vagina