NOTE TO MODERATORS: This is intended as a serious and thoughtful discussion. This is not an intention to create a "flame." Dicussions on this topic can become heated and sometimes ugly, so if that does happen with this discussion, please feel free to delete this thread. Thank you. :smile: = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = On this forum there is a lot of talk about unusual things like "men who have sex with men" but who are not "gay" or even "bisexual." I always scoffed at this, but lately I'm sort of getting it. I remember a quote by someone like Mae West where she stuck up for gay men by telling homophobic men, "Gay men are actually women in men's bodies, so remember that when you beat up a gay man you are actually beating up a woman!" And in gay circles it is common for one gay guy to refer to another gay guy as "girl." As a "bisexual," I have tried to participate in the gay community. And I do take part in some gay events (Pride parade, sometimes), but more and more I find myself drawing toward what is called "straight" culture. I can't relate to so much in gay culture. It seems to me that in gay culture (maybe I should use the term "LGBT") it is expected that any member of the community have a huge amount of "feminine" energy and basically be what Mae West described: a woman in a man's body. Again, "not that there's anything wrong with it," but I can't relate. Anyway, that point I'm trying to get at is I think I can now understand terms like "men who have sex with men." I think society associates same-sex sexual activity in males with femininity, and some of us can't relate.