Shameless Pandering, gotta love politics!

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‘Obama’s Other Race Speech’: See the Key Parts (Plus Full Video) of Controversial 2007 Speech | Video | TheBlaze.com

The content is not in question here, as I don't find it nearly as big a "bomb" as the DC and Hannity are claiming, but:

How ridiculous is Obama's voice alteration in this speech? Compare it to any "mainstream" speech he's given, and the two are night and day.

1. Don't tell me it's because he's "fired up" about the speech. He's gotten mighty feisty during more mainstream elections and he hasn't altered his voice in any way approaching this.

2. Not a Democrat issue by any stretch. Romney just did this (more egregiously) in his shameless pandering to a Latino audience.

This isn't a foundational knock on Obama (though he is guilty of it), but rather a knock on the absurdity of politics.
 

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The audio on that is weird. Just slow enough, or something, to give him a real drawl. He sounds like Rev. Wright.

Anyhow, what's the problem? He says that racism has had a negative effect on policy in America. This is news? Can anyone disagree with that, without bursting out laughing?

Listened to most of it and it's not any different than any other Obama speech. Except for the shitty audio.
 

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It's not the audio. It's just him talking.

And he was going on about, "Oh, look at 9/11, look at Hurricane Andrews, they got money thrown at them, but if you look at the poor victims of Katrina, they were left on their own."

WRONG.
It’s a remarkable moment, and not just for its resemblance to Kayne West’s famous claim that “George Bush doesn’t care about black people,” but also because of its basic dishonesty. By January of 2007, six months before Obama’s Hampton speech, the federal government had sent at least $110 billion to areas damaged by Katrina. Compare this to the mere $20 billion that the Bush administration pledged to New York City after Sept. 11.
 
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Oh well, I don't know about any of that. I guess the Bush admin must have been feeling guilty about the slow response and the 4000 dead people, for them to have thrown that many dollars at New Orleans.

The other 35 minutes of the speech was typical Obama political rhetoric from before he threw Rev Wright under the bus. Can't deny his basic historical point about how race has shaped policy in the USA though.

Hannity and Co. are getting desperate with their digging. Doubtful that this can begin to offset that Video of Romney's true thoughts.
 

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Oh well, I don't know about any of that. I guess the Bush admin must have been feeling guilty about the slow response and the 4000 dead people, for them to have thrown that many dollars at New Orleans.

The other 35 minutes of the speech was typical Obama political rhetoric from before he threw Rev Wright under the bus. Can't deny his basic historical point about how race has shaped policy in the USA though.

Hannity and Co. are getting desperate with their digging. Doubtful that this can begin to offset that Video of Romney's true thoughts.

Dooooood, Vince, are you serious with that first paragraph? Come on now, as a moderator, you should slap yourself on the wrist for that one.

Don't disagree with either of your subsequent paragraphs/sentences though. The video (minus the debunked Katrina claim) didn't do anything to change my perception of the President, for better or for worse.
 

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*crickets* A video from 2007 that all of the local media in the Norfolk-Newport News-Portsmouth TV market covered years ago. Yep, it's breaking and shocking, but somehow few truly cares...

WAVY-TV 10, the news anchors of the NBC affiliate of Norfolk, Virginia, was even airing the story like "what's new about this?"
 
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*crickets* A video from 2007 that all of the local media in the Norfolk-Newport News-Portsmouth TV market covered years ago. Yep, it's breaking and shocking, but somehow few truly cares...

WAVY-TV 10, the news anchors of the NBC affiliate of Norfolk, Virginia, was even airing the story like "what's new about this?"

Amigo, what have I done to offend you so deeply? The content is not in question here. Those were my words to start the thread verbatim. When read, along with the title, I don't see where you get the idea that I'm bashing what the President said in the speech. The pandering was my focus. I claimed the video was neither breaking nor shocking. Or perhaps this was another case of me "fishing" for something, despite all evidence to refute the claim. Please, if you choose to respond, read what I'm saying before jumping to insult what I'm saying :)

Ps, proper grammar would suggest you use "few truly care" as opposed to your phrasing. If you're going to throw insults my way, don't leave yourself open.
 

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You bore me because you are fishing for attention when most are looking for conversation not vexation of intelligence about the US domestic political discord. If you are going to talk about semantics of writing then this remedial and pointless...
 

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You bore me because you are fishing for attention when most are looking for conversation not vexation of intelligence about the US domestic political discord. If you are going to talk about semantics of writing then this remedial and pointless...

Is blatant pandering in the political sphere not an issue worth discussing in the political forums? If you think not, I can't knock you, but I think it is, and for that reason I made a post about it. How do you find that to be fishing? I'm not making incendiary statements to provoke responses. I see something pertinent (again, to me) and I make a post about it. I'm not calling Obama a socialist, and I'm not calling Romney a murderer...I'm talking about an issue. If you find it insignificant, there is no need to comment. But if you are inclined to insult, at least critique what I posted, not what you think I posted based on my political beliefs.
 

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Is blatant pandering in the political sphere not an issue worth discussing in the political forums? If you think not, I can't knock you, but I think it is, and for that reason I made a post about it. How do you find that to be fishing? I'm not making incendiary statements to provoke responses. I see something pertinent (again, to me) and I make a post about it. I'm not calling Obama a socialist, and I'm not calling Romney a murderer...I'm talking about an issue. If you find it insignificant, there is no need to comment. But if you are inclined to insult, at least critique what I posted, not what you think I posted based on my political beliefs.

Why critique when instead of trying to provoke constructive dialogue rather it is just another pointless tangential thread about something 5 years ago. The offense was lack of substance and prudence in the other thread. I've stated the obvious in verbatim already, so goodnight....
 

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Why critique when instead of trying to provoke constructive dialogue rather it is just another pointless tangential thread about something 5 years ago. The offense was lack of substance and prudence in the other thread. I've stated the obvious in verbatim already, so goodnight....

You may believe that what Obama said 5 years ago doesn't matter. If that's true, I never want to hear you bring up Bain Capital or anything relating to Mitt Romney that dates back 5 or more years.... but that would disarm you greatly in your quest to make all things Liberal look so good and shiny.
 

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You may believe that what Obama said 5 years ago doesn't matter. If that's true, I never want to hear you bring up Bain Capital or anything relating to Mitt Romney that dates back 5 or more years.... but that would disarm you greatly in your quest to make all things Liberal look so good and shiny.

Oh, that matters? Name something of importance about this speech that actually has to something to do with domestic or foreign policy. I'll be waiting for an actual answer...

In meanwhile, another non sequitur in an attempt to point that has nothing to do with the main argument.
 

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Oh, that matters? Name something of importance about this speech that actually has to something to do with domestic or foreign policy. I'll be waiting for an actual answer...

In meanwhile, another non sequitur in an attempt to point that has nothing to do with the main argument.


I'm just attempting to remind you that whats good for the goose is good for the gander..... and point out the hypocrisy of many posters in this forum who rush to judge everything Mitt says or has said in his life, yet dismiss any attempt to bring up our Presidents past history as right-wing desperation.

The speech does not touch on foreign or domestic policy, but it does show Obama's true views on race and inequality. If you think these are non-issues, then the speech should be meaningless to you. If you care to know what your president is REALLY like, I don't think things he said five years ago are out of bounds by any means. Although politicizing every little thing can get a little old.
 

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I'm just attempting to remind you that whats good for the goose is good for the gander..... and point out the hypocrisy of many posters in this forum who rush to judge everything Mitt says or has said in his life, yet dismiss any attempt to bring up our Presidents past history as right-wing desperation.

The speech does not touch on foreign or domestic policy, but it does show Obama's true views on race and inequality. If you think these are non-issues, then the speech should be meaningless to you. If you care to know what your president is REALLY like, I don't think things he said five years ago are out of bounds by any means. Although politicizing every little thing can get a little old.

Admit it you are just loving the idea that he might be an "angry black man", LOL. I find it hilarious when I come across people doing this because it serves nothing rather than an aversive bias of agenda that has nothing to do with politics except proves there are still some possess that particular bias.

Oh yeah, out-of-bounds was never the point of contention rather relevancy to domestic and foreign policy. There is a difference, so you have yet to answer the question...
 

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Admit it you are just loving the idea that he might be an "angry black man", LOL. I find it hilarious when I come across people doing this because it serves nothing rather than an aversive bias of agenda that has nothing to do with politics except proves there are still some possess that particular bias.

Oh yeah, out-of-bounds was never the point of contention rather relevancy to domestic and foreign policy. There is a difference, so you have yet to answer the question...

You sound like a man with access to a thesaurus and an ever present chip on your shoulder.
 

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Admit it you are just loving the idea that he might be an "angry black man", LOL. I find it hilarious when I come across people doing this because it serves nothing rather than an aversive bias of agenda that has nothing to do with politics except proves there are still some possess that particular bias.

Oh yeah, out-of-bounds was never the point of contention rather relevancy to domestic and foreign policy. There is a difference, so you have yet to answer the question...

Dudeskis, you are truly in your own world here. Nowhere in this thread was the issue of either foreign and/or domestic broached...not in my opening post, nor in any of the posts that have followed. It is about pandering, which everyone (to some extent) has hit on EXCEPT for you.

It is baseless accusations of racism that truly cheapen political discussion, and it's a pretty shameful ploy in my eyes. Some of the phrases you're using (possibly has to do with the word choice) do not even make sense in the very realm of the English language, much less this thread
 

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and seriously, you need to come up with a different sentence structure BIG time. As of now, it's basically going

Argument that isn't related to the topic at hand + rather + word used to aggrandize one's supposed intelligence.

There truly is nothing wrong with your not wishing to discuss the topic at hand, but don't get salty when do actually discuss it
 

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Thank you Eric8 for your wisdom. As the O.P, you are undoubtedly the one person who can explain to Kayman what the thread was about. He definitely hijacked it to do his own bidding, maybe practice the use of his big boy words, and abuse the thesaurus much like Derek Zoolander would.