Should Black Friday Be Banned?

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YES! Some crazed bitch went nuts with a can of pepper spray in a WalMart out here to make sure she got a fucking XBox!!!! AND SHE GOT AWAY WITH IT!!!!! Sign that the Apocalypse is indeed upon us!

It isn't over yet. She will be on security videos, and they can offer a reward. Trust me on this one, scum will turn in scum they know for money. When times get hard, crooks call crimestoppers on each other.
 

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Oh but a man did. Several years ago, the security man at that walmart up north. He was trampled to death. It was the store where the shoppers pushed the doors off the track.

Someone got trampled for an Amazon.com, online deal? Whut? :confused: I think one of us needs to reread.....
 

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Someone got trampled for an Amazon.com, online deal? Whut? :confused: I think one of us needs to reread.....

Yes, you do. I said someone was killed at a black Friday at a walmart a few years back. I didn't say a word about amazon. The people who get killed with Amazon deals are the ones who have to pay off the credit cards. :tongue:
 

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Yes, you do. I said someone was killed at a black Friday at a walmart a few years back. I didn't say a word about amazon. The people who get killed with Amazon deals are the ones who have to pay off the credit cards. :tongue:

OOps. My bad. What I get for trying to post before having coffee.
 

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How would Black Friday be banned? Should stores be closed on this date? Should discounts be banned? If so, stores will just choose another day.

A deep, sadistic part of Fuzzy feels that Darwin's Law should prevail and these despicable people deserve to get injured.

But Fuzzy has also seen the desperate struggle for the poor to keep up with the Jones'. When women's prisons are full of single moms who have committed theft just to keep their kids in trendy clothes so that they aren't teased, there is something more than greed going on here. Hyper-capitalist, sink-or-swim societies always have casualties and opportunists.

Edit: Fuzzy just noticed Wise's regret with the word 'banned'. Fuzzy agrees that Black Friday should be regulated to prevent harm.
 
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How would Black Friday be banned? Should stores be closed on this date? Should discounts be banned? If so, stores will just choose another day.

A deep, sadistic part of Fuzzy feels that Darwin's Law should prevail and these despicable people deserve to get injured.

But Fuzzy has also seen the desperate struggle for the poor to keep up with the Jones'. When women's prisons are full of single moms who have committed theft just to keep their kids in trendy clothes so that they aren't teased, there is something more than greed going on here. Hyper-capitalist, sink-or-swim societies always have casualties and opportunists.

Edit: Fuzzy just noticed Wise's regret with the word 'banned'. Fuzzy agrees that Black Friday should be regulated to prevent harm.

There is no way to make everything equal unless everyone has nothing.
Kids are always going to be mean to other kids. There will always be kids who have more than others. I was one who had less than many. I had to wear clothes/shoes that were way too small for me. It just was what it was. Nobody ever thought about stealing to keep up with the Joneses. If anything, it shows how people in general have put aside values in the interest of having junk.
To prevent kids from being tormented about their clothes, and stop gang clothing, our local school system implemented uniforms. There are charity groups that help provide uniforms for kids whose parents cannot afford them.
The problem isn't just wealth distribution, it is decay of honesty/values. You don't steal for your kids to look like other kids. It's just stupid as hell.
 
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I've never done a black Friday and I never will after hearing from friends and family how it goes out there. I don't care about the electronic deals or a board game for two bucks. I'd rather spend that time sleeping and order my stuff online. Some people get too damn crazy out there over this shit. I have my lists from the kiddies and they will receive what I can afford and what they will actually use. I guess that's my own self control for black Friday. :wink:
 

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I've never participated in an actual Black Friday event they give me the creeps from what I have seen on television.

When I was growing up in California we used to go to Beverly Hills the day after Thanksgiving and look at all the decorations and we would get our hair done at whatever the famous hair salon was that year and get a new outfit for the upcoming holidays and have a nice lunch and be home in time for a dinner of left overs. It was all very civilized.
 

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There is no way to make everything equal unless everyone has nothing.

In "primitive", egalitarian societies, of which there are many, there is almost no crime. Crime begins as soon as there is an uneven distribution of wealth. The more relative disparity there is, the more crime there is.

To prevent kids from being tormented about their clothes, and stop gang clothing, our local school system implemented uniforms. There are charity groups that help provide uniforms for kids whose parents cannot afford them.

That's awesome. There are schools around here that don't allow labels on clothing. It really doesn't get to the heart of the problem, though. These measures wouldn't be needed if there was less relative deprivation.
 

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In "primitive", egalitarian societies, of which there are many, there is almost no crime. Crime begins as soon as there is an uneven distribution of wealth. The more relative disparity there is, the more crime there is.


Crime begins when humans desire what others have, and are willing to do what is wrong to get it. It is not unequal distribution but the basic selfishness of mankind that brings it about.
If I live below my means, work hard, pinch pennies, scrimp and invest to get wealth, you don't have the right to come take it from me just because you spent yours having a good time.
 

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Crime begins when humans desire what others have, and are willing to do what is wrong to get it. It is not unequal distribution but the basic selfishness of mankind that brings it about.
It's the basic selfishness plus uneven distribution.
Members of primitive societies are not inherently less selfish ... they simply have less to be selfish about, where everyone has more or less the same stuff.

If I live below my means, work hard, pinch pennies, scrimp and invest to get wealth, you don't have the right to come take it from me just because you spent yours having a good time.
No one would dispute this. But it misses the point.
 

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I've never participated in an actual Black Friday event they give me the creeps from what I have seen on television.

When I was growing up in California we used to go to Beverly Hills the day after Thanksgiving and look at all the decorations and we would get our hair done at whatever the famous hair salon was that year and get a new outfit for the upcoming holidays and have a nice lunch and be home in time for a dinner of left overs. It was all very civilized.

Sounds like a very glamorous SoCal upbringing. Blond tan and beautiful, riding high on the food chain in LA.


Regarding Black Friday, I think anyone who participates in it should deserve everything that comes with it including fighting over bargains and being maced. Besides it's an educational lesson to show your kids that it's a dog eat dog world out there. Viva materialism!
 

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It's the basic selfishness plus uneven distribution.
Members of primitive societies are not inherently less selfish ... they simply have less to be selfish about, where everyone has more or less the same stuff.


No one would dispute this. But it misses the point.

I did not miss the point. In those primitive societies you discuss, it works because nobody really has anything for anyone else to covet. Everyone is super poor. Everyone in the society has a task they must perform. It works in a tiny group living in somewhat isolated conditions.
 

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I've never participated in an actual Black Friday event they give me the creeps from what I have seen on television.

When I was growing up in California we used to go to Beverly Hills the day after Thanksgiving and look at all the decorations and we would get our hair done at whatever the famous hair salon was that year and get a new outfit for the upcoming holidays and have a nice lunch and be home in time for a dinner of left overs. It was all very civilized.

Have you noticed that the United States has become a very uncivilized animalistic group of people?
 

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In "primitive", egalitarian societies, of which there are many, there is almost no crime. Crime begins as soon as there is an uneven distribution of wealth. The more relative disparity there is, the more crime there is.


Crime begins when humans desire what others have, and are willing to do what is wrong to get it. It is not unequal distribution but the basic selfishness of mankind that brings it about.
If I live below my means, work hard, pinch pennies, scrimp and invest to get wealth, you don't have the right to come take it from me just because you spent yours having a good time.

Fuzzy loves you, but Fuzzy strongly disagrees. There is a great deal of rigorous ethnographic research that shows an almost-total absence of crime or harm to others in egalitarian societies. The values of these people are different: they don't have friends who flaunt their wealth, TV commercials that tell you that you can only be happy if you buy their products, people who hero-worship the super wealthy, laws that criminalize poverty, a run-away free market, currency.

You can work your ass off and save every penny you can and still lose your home. It has happened to countless honest people who have good values. It's shockingly easy to exploit the poor. Fuzzy could go out and get a handy for $2.00 within 10 minutes.

Fuzzy isn't condoning crime, but Fuzzy sees horrible victimization of the poor when a mother feels that she has to steal clothes to prevent her kid from getting picked on at school.
 

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Fuzzy loves you, but Fuzzy strongly disagrees. There is a great deal of rigorous ethnographic research that shows an almost-total absence of crime or harm to others in egalitarian societies. The values of these people are different: they don't have friends who flaunt their wealth, TV commercials that tell you that you can only be happy if you buy their products, people who hero-worship the super wealthy, laws that criminalize poverty, a run-away free market, currency.

What highly populated, and advanced society are you using as an example? Almost all of those studies are of primitive cultures living in isolated environments.
It is a problem with the school system if they allow bullying. Start what ours did with uniforms. You are always going to have sorry people who pick on someone else because they are different. It even happens with animals in nature. Chickens are one of the absolute worst about attacking another if it looks different.