Should feds bailout the new WTC?

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  1. B_starinvestor

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    The new WTC was tabbed as being a testament to our recovery after 9/11.

    Unfortunately, since credit is no where to be found, and NYC's tax receipts are in the tank - they can't financially support the project.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123758929303200145.html#mod=djemalertNEWS

    Should the feds 'bailout' this monument of US business?

    I would think that publicity whore Barack Obama would jump on this one.:confused:
     
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    i thought Bush guaranteed the money when he was giving away the farm.
     
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    Actually, many of the problems surrounding the new WTC and its reconstruction doesn't involve Bush. For our publicity whore president (who is still better than who you've been voting for these last 20 years), it wouldn't make a lot of sense for him to try and make this into a federal or political issue. Besides... why should Obama drink out of the 9/11 cup? Didn't Bush & Cheney lick that one bone dry already? :rolleyes:
     
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    starinvestor writes: I would think that publicity whore Barack Obama would jump on this one.:confused:

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    Conservatives hate that "publicity whore" Obama because he laughs and jokes easily and is delightful on camera (yes! even taking into account the special olympic "misspeak"). He's a hip, informed guy, and this burns conservative up. They seethe! (he makes offhand comments about Ahmadinejad and "American Idol" and the audience is charmed). Obama sounds like a guy in his '40's, he makes a connection with average americans. Conservatives keep shoveling up Newt Gingrich and John McCain. Conservatives wish to keep that funny, hip side of Obama stuck in the closet. They know they have no up-and-coming rising republican stars that can hold a candle to Obama for charisma and mojo and colloquial public speaking.

    A conservative commentator on Fox News said: "It's stunningly inappropriate for Barack Obama at this point to be focused on anything other than the economy. And for a politician who's been very politically savvy, I think it's somewhat of a tin ear to -- I'm not sure Barack Obama fully appreciates the sort of populist anger out there over these AIG bonuses or he wouldn't be doing this."


    This Fox "analyist" was giving commentary before Thursday of last week. Conservatives were officially against AIG bonuses before Thursday of last week, saying they were a product of "corporate greed", that they were "excessive". Conservatives went on cable TV shows before Thursday expressing their "outrage" at AIG, denouncing the "squandering of the people's money", practically calling AIG a "culture of corruption".

    However, that's all changed. That was sooo last week! (Thursday of last week was Nancy Pelosi's 90% taxation of AIG bonuses which officially split the conservatives right down the middle and shut them up). Conservatives pandered to the TV cameras Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday of last week, but by week's end they were stuck in the uncomfortable position of defending Wall Street greed -- cons hate congressionally -imposed taxation of any kind, especially to large corporations (Pelosi's vote was the ultimate in governmental "regulation" - a hefty 90% tax! - and she got half the republicans to vote with her).
     
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    There's a great Penn & Teller episode of Bull Shit! that I've seen several times on cable and satellite outside of the USA. It's very interesting. However, their solution is to replace the towers with exact replicas of the originals. That might be a good thing: Penn & Teller's reasoning being that it would show the USA back to "business as usual." But I never appreciated the the Twin Towers when I would look up and down Manhattan. I always regarded them as an eyesore. They were, after all, built as inexpensively as possible. And many architects had commented that the best view of the Twin Towers was from the observation deck from the north tower, because it didn't obstruct an otherwise blighted (by the towers) view of Manhattan's skyline.

    Yeah, the shenanigans regarding so many factions have had in having so much say in the reconstruction or replacement of these privately-owned and leased structures is ridiculous. And no. No Federal Funds should be used to rebuild them. If they were an essential part of the Nations' infrastructure? Sure. Federally fund them just as all the bridges connecting Manhattan should be funded for the public good. But just to rebuild the Financial Center's square footage? Nope. Not a sous.
     
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    Considering the other projects involved and that are dependent upon the new WTC building being finished, it looks like this is the only option. But whatever funds are used go strictly to build the new structure and perhaps like Hoover Dam needs to become a US Government property at least until all of it is paid back. I've got no more love left to read about how someone will get a million dollar bonus out of this somehow.

    Hoover Dam is magnificent and took only 5 years (1931-1936) with the technology of the day. And NYC can't get their act together and build this structure with today's technology ? WTF ? Let the US Government take the land away from these retards and let's build a Tower, get it the f*ck done already ?

    Hoover Dam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    there is absolutely no reason to build this building. PERIOD
     
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    I dunno; I'd like to see something go back up there. I'm not necessarily suggesting federal funds, but I had hoped by this time, some 7 1/2 years later, we could look upon that structure as a new beginning. We sent so much money to Europe to rebuild after WWII; it seems a shame we can't provide same for our our own back yard.

    I believe it would represent a key part of the healing process for the U.S., also an important testament to the legacy of our society in recovering from that heinous, devastating act on our soil.
     
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    Should be a building bigger and better than the first two. The problems all rotate around a bunch of quasi-government agencies including The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, the Lower Manhattan Development Agency, the Office of the Mayor, the Office of the Governor, Larry Silverstein (who still holds the lease on the WTC), the MTA, the FDNY and NYPD, various community boards, the press, the people of New York, and the Federal government. Everyone has a finger in the pie and everyone wants their 2 cents added to whatever is built.

    The fact is the economic situation in New York isn't supportive of building such enormous office space when much of lower Manhattan needs renters. Still, New Yorkers want to see something equating to a big FUCK YOU to Al Qaeda. I'd say rebuilding something big and spectacular is necessary to the healing of the country and the city.

    Rebuilding the twin towers is impossible due to advances in building codes and the Freedom Tower is just ass ugly as it has been modified by everyone with any say in the process. What the buildings need is an agency with final power to do anything led by a visionary who isn't afraid to build something daring and dramatic. One person, one design, and the power to make it happen.

    The motto of New York is Excelsior and it's most appropriate.
     
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    Perhaps we could build an effigy of the 11 trillion dollars that Al-queda and the Bush administration cost this country. That would be some kind of a god-damn huge thing.
     
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    We can always count on thoughful contributions such as this from PYM. For added flare, his statistics are cartoon-like.
     
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    I believe it would represent a key part of the healing process for the U.S., also an important testament to the legacy of our society in recovering from that heinous, devastating act on our soil............... what a load of crap, people die all the time.
     
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    Puffery at best ? The mere fact that progress has stalled in NYC on this project alone is a testament to that fact. Like I indicated, Hoover Dam was built in 5 years, there's enough concrete to pave a 2 lane highway coast to coast (SF to NYC) and the first concrete pours started in 1933, completed in 1936, so 6 inch layers of concrete at a time took 3 years to finish. 2001-2009 will be 8 years to the day on 9/11/2009. Build the damn thing already ?

    But even the originals, there was a glut of office space available ? Read "Criticism" section of the wiki:

    World Trade Center - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    What does it take to get a conservative to support his president when the nation is facing it biggest threat since WWII?
    A vastly more dire threat than ANY posed by al queada...which the republicans led us into two pointless, planless and costly wars over...


    I don't give a fuck about the WTC...
    But if it employs blue collar workers in NYC... then maybe it's worth it.


    Star.. at THIS time... this kind of talk is unpatriotic.

    Especially when the conservatives have not forwarded a SINGLE idea that they have not already proven ineffective.
     
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    Private capital built the Empire State Building and Rockefeller Center at the height of the depression. We can't be worse off now than we were then, right?

    Let the people who will make money there build the thing. That would not only be a fitting tribute to American values, but so very New York, too.
     
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    No, not remotely. New Yorkers are good people. We tend to have good race relations, are very tolerant of each other, and don't presume to tell other people how to live. Few places in the world have the true broad diversity that New York has from veiled Islamic women walking the streets to naked gay pride events. There are immigrants from every continent and they bring their culture along with their hopes and dreams for a better life. Superrich or dirt poor, New York has a remarkable ability to synthesize the people of the world into one vibrant culture. There is no other city in the world that comes close. All kinds of shit has happened to New York and yet it still goes on.

    And that's to say nothing of the people from Long Island to Buffalo to Canton who have no association with the city what-so-ever. They live in very rural farming communities, in the worst of the rust belt, and in an area of the country so beautiful that an entire art movement was named after it.
     
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    It's difficult to convey to someone who's never seen it and even to the casual visitor who comes to see it as a sort of shrine, but that gaping hole in the ground is a wound in the heart and soul of this country. It absolutely kills me every time I see it. The symbolic value alone of rebuilding it is immeasurable in the sense of showing the world that we will not allow the physical scars of the attack on our country to continue to be visible.

    People in this city are infuriated with the delays and infighting that have delayed the towers' rebuilding. At this point in time, Silverstein is looking into partnering more closely with the Port Authority which will make it more a joint private/public concern. Personally, I care less who or how it gets done and who ultimately profits from it than that it gets done at all, and I speak not as a New Yorker but as an American.
     
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