Should Inmates Lose the Right to Sexual Relations?

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I think they should maybe be able to have contact with the outside world, as was said, if they are behaving in prison, as was said. However, like Nixxy and Jana said, Pedos should lose it all! They are totally nastified in my opinion, and always will be. I DO believe that they should lose cable TV though X'D No way I wanna give money to people who did something wrong to watch TV when I don't even get it myself for being a law abiding person! :p
 

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Yeah, well, it goes back to Adam and Eve. I'm not saying women are responsible, just that the story of Adam and Eve is indicative of the mentality behind violence against women. The story sets up an anthropology of men against women. But there is no Geneva Convention in this war.
 

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I just loved what Jonb said:

"Once a pedo, always a pedo. Unless . . . :brandishes scalpel: So, should I give the patient a lobotomy or an orchidectomy"

Orchidectomy! That is a fantastic phrase! I love orchids but I think they are too perverse to grow! What if you want to replant them!! Gross!
 

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Actually, orchidectomy is removal of the testicles. Orchids are called that because some botanist was a total perve.
 

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Originally posted by jonb@Apr 11 2005, 11:37 PM
Actually, orchidectomy is removal of the testicles. Orchids are called that because some botanist was a total perve.
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Lol I know! That is what I meant in my post! :p
I am not completely inept you know!
 

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Originally posted by jonb@Apr 11 2005, 10:26 PM
Yeah, well, it goes back to Adam and Eve. I'm not saying women are responsible, just that the story of Adam and Eve is indicative of the mentality behind violence against women. The story sets up an anthropology of men against women. But there is no Geneva Convention in this war.
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Yes, that's very true. I often wonder what the world was like in pre-Bible days. I know the misogynistic lessons in the Bible have been used to excuse this behavior, even if it wasn't originally intended to be interpreted as such. No one bothers to notice what a weak spineless act Adam commits by blaming Eve for his own behavior- "All I did was eat the apple offered me by that woman YOU sent me". He actually blames God for his own bad behavior too! But still, Eve's the one who's demonised.

Steve, I am aware that Ghandi said "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind", and I would love to be that holy a person. Realistically, I'm not. In truth, I could easily "pull the lever" on sex offenders and have no repercussions with my conscience. I even think my own opinion is wrong, nonetheless, it is the opinion I hold. Of course we can agree to disagree, I'm not an idiot! (Well, not always!) I realise I am too close to the situation to remain impartial, and I hope you wouldn't expect me to be.
 

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Originally posted by Pecker+Apr 12 2005, 12:55 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pecker &#064; Apr 12 2005, 12:55 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-madame_zora@Apr 12 2005, 05:36 AM
I&#39;m not an idiot&#33;
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OMG. Why do I have visions of Jana Milhous Nixon? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Originally posted by madame_zora@Apr 12 2005, 05:36 AM
I even think my own opinion is wrong, nonetheless, it is the opinion I hold. Of course we can agree to disagree, I&#39;m not an idiot&#33; (Well, not always&#33;)  I realise I am too close to the situation to remain impartial, and I hope you wouldn&#39;t expect me to be.
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Thanks for throwing me a bone, Jana. It was sweet of you. :)

Setting aside the sex offender issue, anyone have some insight or wisdom to share over the idea of allowing consensual sex between inmates in the system? Providing condoms, etc. Would this practice stop the spread of disease? Lessen the incidence of prisoner rape or even other violence? Do you see sex between inmates as being a potentially rehabilitative activity? Or are there unseen problems with this scenario?

Anyone?.....anyone?

Bueller?
 

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Wow, that&#39;s pretty horrible&#33; I think until those crimes are punished in the same manner as they would be on the outside it will never change. I said earlier that sadly it is the young and the weak who are usually the victims.

I would imagine that pent up sexual urge is only one small aspect of why rape happens in prison, mostly it is about dominance and control. Put a bunch of people together who don&#39;t respect the laws of society, and they make their own horrible rules without the limitation of conscience. That we have allowed them to do this unchecked is a sad commentary on our society. Even my desire to see rapists sodomised isn&#39;t strong enough to let the system go when it is primarily hurting everyone else.
 

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I say let them use their hands.

I say, if you have commited a crime, you deserve to lose all connect with the outside world.

I dont care what crime it is either. We have sentences, and during any sentence the prisoners contact with the outside world should be nonexistant.

We do need to do a hell of a lot better job inside the prisons to provide programs, etc to actually change peoples lives. Because I will tell you, for a lot of people, jail alone will not do anything for them.
 

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sure it will. I can assure you that jail terms do PLENTY to make fucked-up, dangerous people even more fucked-up and dangerous. having done enough time myself, I can&#39;t honestly see how anyone could NOT emerge from jail with considerably less respect for other people and the system than they had when they were sent there.
 

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Very good point of perspective. I think a lot of people like to think of inmates as lifers, but in the majority of cases, they&#39;re coming back out, like it or not. I think it matters a great deal why they&#39;re in to begin with, and what their chances are for a semi-normal life when that happens. I like to believe in rehabilitation, if not, then the death penatly should be applied to every felon, right? But people make mistakes, some of them (us) can learn to turn away from those behaviors and still live a productive life.

In truth, conjugal visits are a completely separate issue from prison rape. I think with anything truly atrocious, most people just turn a blind eye because dealing with it would take too much mental energy and require actual movement. I think that explains our governmental problems currently- the more that gets revealed about the president, his families&#39; ties to the Saudi&#39;s, his inappropriate actions toward the end of personal gain, the fudged elections, the Carlyle Group as seen here: http://www.bushnews.com/bushcarlyle.htm
the less apt we are to do anything.

It&#39;s not that we don&#39;t know, it&#39;s just that we don&#39;t want to care. (ten points for anyone old enough to get that reference).
 

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Originally posted by surferboy@Apr 10 2005, 05:49 AM
This is a sketchy subject. On one hand, I don&#39;t believe anyone should have the right to butt into anyone&#39;s sex life. On the other hand, I believe sex offenders...They should be locked up forever. Once a pedo, always a pedo. Well, depends onthe crime. I don&#39;t think being 18 and fucking a 17 year old should br a crime. However, pedos are fuckin nasty, and should be killed.
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Now you are discriminating between different types of sex offenders. The law doesn&#39;t do that.

I take a hard line on rape and it&#39;s my biggest fear in the world. I do believe that rapists deserve very severe punishment. However, because so many people feel the same way I do, less serious crimes may be prosecuted as rape. In addition, as I said before, people who commit minor crimes are often grouped with rapists under the heading "sex offenders." If anyone had chosen to prosecute, I would be a sex offender, and so would three of my ex&#39;s. Just something to think about before you talk about taking a hard line against "sex offenders."
 

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Originally posted by madame_zora@Apr 13 2005, 12:23 PM
......the more that gets revealed about the president, his families&#39; ties to the Saudi&#39;s, his inappropriate actions toward the end of personal gain, the fudged elections, the Carlyle Group as seen here: http://www.bushnews.com/bushcarlyle.htm
the less apt we are to do anything.
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Oh boy, give it a rest.

bushwatch.com... and we thought Kate Couric and Dan Rather were biased...
 

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Originally posted by faceking+Apr 14 2005, 04:29 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(faceking &#064; Apr 14 2005, 04:29 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-madame_zora@Apr 13 2005, 12:23 PM
......the more that gets revealed about the president, his families&#39; ties to the Saudi&#39;s, his inappropriate actions toward the end of personal gain, the fudged elections, the Carlyle Group as seen here: http://www.bushnews.com/bushcarlyle.htm
the less apt we are to do anything.
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Oh boy, give it a rest.

bushwatch.com... and we thought Kate Couric and Dan Rather were biased...
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But, did you bother to scroll down and see the long list of news sources cited? Almost every major international news imaginable. Besides, it doesn&#39;t really matter who posts a picture, are you suggesting bush sr. ISN&#39;T involved with the Carlyle group and DOESN&#39;T do business with the Bin Laden family? YOU give it a rest&#33;
 

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A lot of truth has been brought out here. Jana, I understand how you feel and I admire your ability to distinguish between how the laws should be written as opposed to how you personally feel.

About the sex preadators getting their due in prison. We shouldn&#39;t allow it for this reason. Dr. Rock explained about that 18 year old boy getting his teeth knocked out and repeatedly raped. I doubt he was there for being a sex predator and I doubt many of the middle age inmates were there for that reason either. Yes some were, but I would wager less than half. That boy should not have been treated that way.

The most reasonable action to take is one breifly mentioned. Castration being mandatory for certain sex crimes.

Second, is child predators must forever be separated from children except under circumstances where they are under the supervision of known responsible adults. They should have to register in every community they live in once and if they get out of prison and released to live freely in society.

I suggest that minimum security facilities where they have jobs on site and must stay on site and don&#39;t try to escape they can live there the rest of their lives if necessary to keep them away from children.

It is harder to keep those who rape women away from women. Women have legal rights and if they choose to be in the company of a known rapist who has been released from prison, that is their choice.

However, that is something not being done in our society is to require all rapists and sex predators to register with the local authorities. Many states require only child sex predators to register. All should register.

I want to revisit the concept of the minimum security prison where the prisoners are self supporting by having jobs. After so many years in real prisoni, this should be the next phase. If they mess up by not following the rules, it is back to real prison and they should earn the right to get to go to the minimum security facility. It would save the public money and also help protect people from being raped.


But we have to be reasonable about sex predation. Brutally raping a person is not the same as being convicted of "looking" or "groping" especially if the actifvity stopped when the person said no.

And I certainly wouldn&#39;t locik up adults because the took a shower with underage youth of same gender unless there was real sexual activity coing on. I wouldn&#39;t count erections as predatory. Even a light spank on the rump might be inappropriate in the shower but not someting to lock someone up forever for.

Some public institutions now have such strict rules that an adult can loose their job for inappropriate behavior that really wasn&#39;t inappropriate and no hint of hanky panky went on. Institutions are going overboard with rules to prevent child molestation and are forbidding teachers to hug the preschoolers. That is a bit harsh. Now when a preschooler or first grader soils his pants at school, only the nurse can change the child even if that means a long wait. The teacher would be a predator if they changed the child.

At some schools if a high school boy maybe "slightly" injured he must go to the female nurse rather than the male coach even if he is protesting this strongly refusing to see the nurse but said the coach could check out the injury The coach has had first aid and would know if a doctor is needed. A nurse can&#39;t treat the problem anyway. So, if a boy protests having to see the female nurse and request the coach, why should the coach be considered a predator if he checks the boy out and then says yes, a doctor is needed and needed now. And the doctor confirms this.

So we must and need a list of sexual crimes before really determining the long term punishments. In the above story, the coach might be disciplined for not following procedure even thought the boy was in dire need of a doctor. But certainly no sex crime has been done. Yet some are wanted to write it that way.

Long post again. But I thought it needed to mention that all supposed sex crimes are not the same. The horrendous rape that Jana describes deserves very harsh punishment. First, castration. Then a long prison term. Then maybe a minimum security facility and then if rehabilitation has occured the guy be alowed out in free society.

Last point, years being sentenced is only part of the solution. Somewhere rabilitation should have to be documented regardlless of how lonw the prisoner has been there. If no rehabilitation has occurred, the prisoner needs to stay in prison and away from society.

Right now we have the largest percentage of our people in prison of any civilized country. We have some serious problems that go beyond just sex predators that we as a nation (America) must come to terms with.