Should the ugly be granted legal protection?

Should the ugly be granted legal protection

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 11.5%
  • No

    Votes: 23 88.5%

  • Total voters
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Serial Kisser

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Not being obese, I don't follow such activism.
However, it is against the law for employers, for example, to discriminate for ANY reason... including obesity.

In fact, Employers are required to provide accommodation for obese employees if working conditions affect them.

About the only situation in which the obese CAN be discriminated against is in transportation ticketing.
Airlines can make the fat buy more than one ticket...
But I can attest that they do not generally make them do so...


Beyond all that... the same fight the Gay community is having is the fight the ugly can mount.
As far as the law... the constitution in the US guarantees equal treatment...

For everybody.
Its just a matter of making a fight over it and proving that your treatment is unequal based upon a criteria of, say, ugliness.


but for me... humans have a right to prefer beauty.

And it may be harsh... but evolution doesn't play fair.

The runt of the little certainly feels the world is unfair... but the competition he gets the short end of if probably good for his species, as a whole.

I don't think I'm obese. According to the BMI chart, however, I am. I've had problems at my job (a restaurant) since DAY ONE about getting hired as a bartender. And here's that whole ugly debate thing. I think I'm prettier than all of the bartenders they have no - I'm just heavier than them. I keep getting passed over for promotion to bartender - and they keep promoting people who have ZERO bartending experience. I HAVE bartending experience.
I brought it to the manager's attention and he said it was because they had been at the restaurant longer than me - and HELLO - they definitely hadn't been. All of the managers keep giving me different reasons - and I'm convinced it's because of my weight. I even said that to them and they poo poo'd it. Well, I think it's legitimate. But what could I even do about it?
 

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Serial kisser, I'm not a gold member and cannot view your pictures. But, if that is you in the avatar, I would not consider you obese. You're chubby, sure, but if I am going to be served food or drink, I want it from a healthy woman. You cannot trust food judgements by skinny people lol. And as far as it goes in the rest of life, I prefer women with a little extra. I would love to have you as my bartender any day over a stereotypically thin "pretty" girl. You'd most likely be better at fulfilling your duties than someone who has skated through life on their looks.
 

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Serial kisser, I'm not a gold member and cannot view your pictures. But, if that is you in the avatar, I would not consider you obese. You're chubby, sure, but if I am going to be served food or drink, I want it from a healthy woman. You cannot trust food judgements by skinny people lol. And as far as it goes in the rest of life, I prefer women with a little extra. I would love to have you as my bartender any day over a stereotypically thin "pretty" girl. You'd most likely be better at fulfilling your duties than someone who has skated through life on their looks.

Thanks. I AM PRETTY. LOL. I just have big boobs and an ass, god forbid. All of the bar regulars love me. My personality more than makes up for gastly double digit pants size. It's just frustrating seeing them put complete morons who have no clue what they're doing behind bar - when I do know. AND THEN they have the nerve to ask me what goes in the drinks. You're the bartender now, you figure it the fuck out.
 

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considering ya being passed for a promotion to bartending ya can be pretty sure ya being discriminated against based on ya weight.

ya can ask to talk to a regional manager. try to get a list of names and employments dates of folks promoted instead of you. ask for a record of your reviews, write-ups and any other employment records. get something from your former employer where you did bartend.

there is also an option of contacting an employment lawyer to review your situation.

don't see a damn thing wrong with the way you look, Ms. Serial. you're an attractive woman *not that being hot should really being a qualifier for bartending* and you know the job. can't see a reason you shouldn't get the promotion.
 

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considering ya being passed for a promotion to bartending ya can be pretty sure ya being discriminated against based on ya weight.

ya can ask to talk to a regional manager. try to get a list of names and employments dates of folks promoted instead of you. ask for a record of your reviews, write-ups and any other employment records. get something from your former employer where you did bartend.

there is also an option of contacting an employment lawyer to review your situation.

don't see a damn thing wrong with the way you look, Ms. Serial. you're an attractive woman *not that being hot should really being a qualifier for bartending* and you know the job. can't see a reason you shouldn't get the promotion.

Thank you. I appreciate the support. I feel like they'd always come down to "Well he's the manager and he gets to pick who he wants on bar".
 

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Thank you. I appreciate the support. I feel like they'd always come down to "Well he's the manager and he gets to pick who he wants on bar".

ya welcome. discrimination irks me fiercely.
not sure how much ya wanna rattle their asses...
ya could contact some of the fat acceptance/activist sites.
maybe you could connect with folks in your local area.
 

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ya welcome. discrimination irks me fiercely.
not sure how much ya wanna rattle their asses...
ya could contact some of the fat acceptance/activist sites.
maybe you could connect with folks in your local area.

The company I work for has been in trouble lately for not promoting women to management positions. I'm talking MASS pay off settlements. I"ve been in the restaurant biz for so long. It's sad that it's accepted. They hire young pretty girls to be hostesses, young attractive male bussers, and I guess they don't want fatties behind the bar. And I hate using that word but that's how it makes me feel. I work my ass off at that place. And I feel like if I was to go somewhere else it'd be the same issue.
 

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Beauty is only skin deep. Ugly is to the bone. **talking about inner ugly here...** Granted, society is drawn to who they deem as pretty, beautiful, or handsome. HOWEVER, like BBucko said...some people just do not try hard enough. Lots of beautiful people out there who are the ugliest people you'll ever meet, and vice versa. Work on your inside first and your outside will start to show the beauty. *always good to take care of the outside too...but you gotta work with what you got.* Regardless, once you fix the inside beauty, your outward projection will show thru. May not make you a 10...or even a 6...but really, no one wants a 10 on the outside that is a shitty person inside. :)
 
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I agree with BBucko.

..... It's like education, some need to work a hell of a lot harder to get the same grades as a naturally talented person. You can't just give them and extra 30% marks to be even the playing field.

Agreed, plus - it's in the eye of the beholder, and they may also have other qualities other ppl don't have (possibly as a result of dealing with it?).

Everyone has things to deal with - different from person to person. That's life.
 

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urm, nope. most peoples still see body size as a sign of wealth, beauty and fertility/virility.

No. Fat is ugly. Fat men are ugly. Fat women are ugly. That's just the way it is.

I'm sure that in primitive cultures where everyone is starving, obesity is a sign of wealth. But those cultures still believe in witchcraft and raping young girls to cure AIDS. Their opinions don't matter.


a shift away from the curvy/goddess/ample body is one of the ooks of globalization.

stupid industrialization *snickers*

Curvy is not the same thing as fat. Fat women have tried their damnedest to make them synonyms, but they are not. If you have a hangover, you're not curvy, you're fat. Curvy women are those of an average size who have a very feminine figure. They aren't women with hangovers and arms puffed up like the michellin man.
 

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No. Fat is ugly. Fat men are ugly. Fat women are ugly. That's just the way it is.

nope. fat people can be ugly. just like skinny people can be ugly. depends on the person.

I'm sure that in primitive cultures where everyone is starving, obesity is a sign of wealth. But those cultures still believe in witchcraft and raping young girls to cure AIDS. Their opinions don't matter.

i realize you get off on calling yourself an unattractive person. kinda appearance-cuckolding, ugly fuck humiliation.. but dude.. why work so hard to be unpleasant personality wise.

Curvy is not the same thing as fat. Fat women have tried their damnedest to make them synonyms, but they are not. If you have a hangover, you're not curvy, you're fat. Curvy women are those of an average size who have a very feminine figure. They aren't women with hangovers and arms puffed up like the michellin man.

if you remove the near-profane status western culture has attached to the word fat you wouldn't have to argue or define. bone structure and body fat make curves.

i have broad shoulders, small waist and wider hips. when i thin down *below 129 for me. cuz i am a gaint* my fairly hourglass figure straightens out to boyish/athletic. what changed? not my bone structure. just body fat percentages.

boobs are mostly fat tissue. muscles make my ass round. fat makes my ass awesome! fat makes me girlie. i'm cool with that.

hangover? like muffin top, love handles.. smexy lil pooch bellies? for true, i find'em damn attractive. pillowy is perfect *is in happy place*

where body fat percentage crosses over to obesity needs to be set by a health standard, not a number or a jean size. i know thin women who can't run a mile. i know "obese" women who run miles everyday.




 

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yes they should and they should receive free counsel from the finest attornies and they should be given first dibs and dips of the most beautiful at sex parties.
 

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One's ugliness is anothers beauty, so no.

For those saying fat is ugly, I disagree. I actually prefer fat women, put your head around that one.
 

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No. Fat is ugly. Fat men are ugly. Fat women are ugly. That's just the way it is.

I'm sure that in primitive cultures where everyone is starving, obesity is a sign of wealth. But those cultures still believe in witchcraft and raping young girls to cure AIDS. Their opinions don't matter.




Curvy is not the same thing as fat. Fat women have tried their damnedest to make them synonyms, but they are not. If you have a hangover, you're not curvy, you're fat. Curvy women are those of an average size who have a very feminine figure. They aren't women with hangovers and arms puffed up like the michellin man.
Anyone ever tell you your breath smell like ass? It sure sounds like you are talking out of yours.
 

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I dont know the original posters intentions, but to me, it is a parody of people pushing for women's rights, gay rights, etc...

To push for equality, I am all for that, but these different froups push way too far. Like the incident where a woman was upset when she was asked to turn her shirt around at Dollywood that said "Marriage is so gay." That is private property, they should have the right to tell anyone they dressed inappropriately. Then, the women claimed she was not trying to cause trouble with that t-shirt.

And I have the same issue with women's rights. To be treated the same as men, fine, I am all for that. In fact, I am one of the biggest male supporter of women's athletics you will find anywhere. I have to be one of the only men who has never complained about title IX taking away certain sports like wrestling (although I will be one of the first to say title IX needs to be tweaked). But when I see what happened in the Duke lacrosse case, and everyone getting up in arms over a woman who was black who claimed rape (not claiming this until she specifically was asked if she was rape) and ignoring mountains of evidence to the contrary (with no evidence that a rape did occur), yelling for a trial, was obscene. A year later when a white woman was allegedly raped by black guys, were there pot-banging professors and cries of "Well, even if they are not guilty, they are getting what they deserved."? No.

It is the same thing with unions. Unions are not a bad thing, in theory, but they got too powerful and abused their power so people actually feel bad for the companies. Requiring people to be in unions and force all workers to pay union dues? Not to even mention worse abuses of powers.

But, no matter who you are, we are all discrimated in life and how can we give special consideration and protection to one group and not the other? I cringe whenever anyone talks about charging someone with a hate crime because 1). Assault, murder, rape, etc... is all crimes of hate 2). How can one effectively judge what was in someone's mind when a crime happened and 3). It is selectively enforced.

Like I mentioned in another thread, the Duke lacrosse case was a textbook, lock it up and throw away the key, case of civil rights violation. It was never taken up as a federal case. Civil rights violations was the only way the totally innocent victims were charged because, again, there was not only no evidence of rape, there were MOUNTAINS of evidence pointing to the players innocent (in fact, at one point, a police officer said that a suspect was charged with rape before they could even show he was at the party). Bottom line, had the alledged victim been white and the falsly accused been black, you know civil rights charges would have been right.

Sorry for the rambling, but I will finish for this point. I know how big I am and my family is has held us back for jobs. And statistics bear this out. My sister was turned down for an aquatics director at a YMCA when she had an impecable record at another YMCA and had all the required certifications (and above and beyond to boot). A year later, she interviewed at another Y in that same association and was hired. She has since lost like 150 pounds, but she is such a force at that Y that you could not pry her out of there with a crowbar. She is faculty in swim lesson instructors (Can train people to go out and train people to teach swim lessons) and will soon be faculty in lifeguarding (same thing but replace teach swim lessons with lifeguarding). This is unheard of to be faculty in two things, but definetely unheard of at 27!

Also, In just got an HR card to fill out about a job I applied for. At the bottom, is says "University policy prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, gender, disability, national origin, age, sexual orientation, or any other characteristic protected by the law." Besides the fact preferential treatment given to women and minorities is discrimination, nowhere am I, as a large person, am protected...