Should the veil be banned?

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  1. FRE

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    In France, a public opinion poll indicates that 75% of the people think that women should not be veiled to the extent that their faces are covered. On the other hand, some people think that banning the veil is a form of discrimination against Muslim women who feel that their religion requires wearing the veil. However, not all Muslim believe that the veil is required and they don't wear the veil. Some Muslim women would not leave their homes if they were not permitted to wear the veil, so prohibiting them from wearing the veil would be a hardship for them.

    What do you think?

    Should women be prohibited from wearing the veil in public? Why or why not?
     
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    It should be banned imo. I support the french on that.
    Freedom and liberty is important yes, but so is trust and unity.
    I feel personally uncomfortable around veiled muslim women, they seem alien, its not a great way of integrating for anyone.
    Its not a requirement and is popular mostly with the less moderate forms of Islam.
    I think it is a sacrifice that the minority of muslim women CAN make for the benefit of the larger community. Nobody is born clothed so nobody needs to wear clothes except for public decency. I think public decency should be respected, sometimes this means NOT wearing something.
    Veiled women (exception of marriage ceremonies) are as welcome in society only marginally more than a balaclava in a bank.
     
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    #3 FRE, Jul 13, 2010
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    If it is their choice to make then they should make the right one. Either they don't wear it and integrate with their fellow nationals or perhaps they should think about relocating.
    This might sound extreme, but no more so than the level with which such women are taking their religious beliefs. We know that extreme religion is bad...
     
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    It should be banned in public places as it's a form of discrimination - only other women are allowed to see their face.

    It is optional, but being as its main purpose is to prevent men being so overcome by lust for a woman's beauty & raping her, which of course can lead to execution for the woman in some muslim countries, it seems pretty redundant in the West, where there is no sanction whatsoever!

    The background in France stems from many muslim women being beaten up for not wearing it, & considered loose.
     
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    Women should be forced to walk the streets nude.
     
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    so should hot men, and they should have to take viagra before leaving the house
     
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    I've suggested to Muslim men that instead of having women cover themselves totally, men should wear blinders.
     
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    Even when the temperature is -40 degrees? Or should it be temperature dependent?
     
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    I'm sure to catch all kinds of hell for not agreeing with the popular opinion... but in my opinion, it should NOT be banned. I understand that people feel that it's abusive. In some instances, it probably is abusive. So, make resources available to the women who are being forced into it. If they're being forced into certain clothing, they're likely being forced into other things. Maybe that should be our concern, even though it's less obvious than a covered face.

    I am of the belief that NO ONE is allowed to tell me what to believe, or what to wear, or what I can/can not say. If Muslim women believe that they are protecting something sacred by covering their faces, so be it. Do you have to agree with it? No. Do you have to like it? No. Is it your business? NO.

    As far as it making someone else uncomfortable... Guess what? I am uncomfortable when I see women at the beach walking around in thongs, with little more than their clits and nipples covered. I am also uncomfortable with young girls wearing shorts that are so tight and short that their asscheeks are hanging out. As a matter of fact, I'm downright offended by it, and a little disgusted that I have to see it on a regular basis. I'm also uncomfortable with 60 year old women wearing cropped halter tops and cutoff jeans. I've known many men who "make" their "old ladies" wear such things. MOST people are offended by that, and yet, I see no one outlawing leather halter tops, or putting an age limit on skanky cutoffs... and those don't even have a religious basis. They're certainly not believed to protect anything sacred.

    Maybe the focus should be empowering women. Teaching them that they are allowed to make their own choices, and then RESPECTING the fact that they have that freedom. I don't see why any woman should have to make any sacrifice in her own personal life, beliefs, or appearance just to make you more comfortable standing next to them. I do think it's absurd that anyone feel entitled to make laws determining how much of your religion you're free to practice.
     
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    of course. some people just don't understand the psychological damage people ignorant about shrinkage can have on a man. :wink:
     
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    Snarky, you're quite right - but then people should be free to walk around in balaclavas, bandit, & gimp masks. You can't even wear a helmet into a bank.

    The face gives so many visual clues as to a persons intent. They don't have to wear it, it's not an article of faith. It's also offensive because it means that they view all men as rapists, which is sexist.

    All religious things are banned in French public buildings.
     
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    Yes. Fucking hardship. I'll warrant it's a hardship to be purposefully stupid.

    Just for ID sakes you've got to be able to see people's features. The hijab is just a step on the road to the burka in my mind. I know most people are good, but you got fundamentalist assholes who like to hide bombs in their holy robes and rifles in mosques.

    The blinders idea for guys is good, especially with that flimsy excuse for head covering.
     
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    Absolutely not...and something like this would never fly in the United States. It's patently unconstitutional. What gives government the right (besides providing minimal levels of clothing, though thats a subject for another thread) to tell me what I can and cannot wear. If I was a french citizen in France, this would have made me go out and wear a veil just as a giant middle finger to the government. How arrogant to think that everyone HAS TO dress like the majority.
     
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    THE VEIL HAS TO BE BANNED !!!!! faces have to be seen
     
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    Is it against the law to be offensive in France? I truly don't know enough about their laws to answer that. Maybe it IS sexist. Now what? I could have a tattoo covering my face, that distorted my intent. It could read "all men are rapists". NO one could do a damn thing about it. In any case, that isn't the issue. The topic at hand is "Should women be prohibited from wearing the veil in public?"


    Oh, also, all things religious are banned? So if I wear a t-shirt with a cross on it, into a bank in France, I'll be ticketed? I somehow doubt that.
     
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    Always got to be a non-conformist in the crowd. But this is the antipode. The veil is rank conformity.

    Succubus, non-sequitur. The face is where the major sensory organs are. You don't need to see or hear or smell or eat with your tattoo or crucifix.
     
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    Didn't a Muslim woman win the right to wear her burqa in her driver's license photo here in the US? What's the point?

    Also, it is illegal to wear the burqa in many countries...including muslim countries
     
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    I just don't want the government telling me that I CAN'T wear something, even if I wanted to. Fuck that.
     
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    Probably. The problem is radical Islam is a political movement masquerading as a religion. The West automatically gives religions a free hall pass. Open societies are very vulnerable to this sort of subterfuge.
     
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