Should the veil be banned?

[424365]

I believe that if a woman wants to wear it based on her beliefs then by all means let her wear it. If she doesn't wish too then that's fine too. I'm a very open person.

 

[Scot22]

Some of my str8 friends find the whole cover up thing incredibly sexy and a real turn on,with their fevered minds imagining all sorts of goodies lying just below the surface.
If not draped,she would be another human being passing in the street.
Draped,she attracts attention plus a second and third look from the heterosexual male,thereby attracting wolf-whistles and perhaps more.

 

[FRE]

Some of my str8 friends find the whole cover up thing incredibly sexy and a real turn on,with their fevered minds imagining all sorts of goodies lying just below the surface.
If not draped,she would be another human being passing in the street.
Draped,she attracts attention plus a second and third look from the heterosexual male,thereby attracting wolf-whistles and perhaps more.

There are some Muslim women who see their voices as part of their arwah and will not use their voices where men can hear them except in case of emergency.

For more on arwah, see the following:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Awrah

 

[FRE]

Muslim 'bus drivers in England are not permitting blind persons to board with their guide dogs since they regard dogs as unclean:

Blind dog owners told to get off - Fiji Times Online

It is well-known that many Muslims have a very negative attitude towards dogs. Obviously if Muslims will not permit guide dogs on 'busses, they are not in a good position to demand the right to wear veils.

Some years ago, Muslim taxi drivers in Minneapolis refused to let passengers leaving the airport board taxis with intoxicating liquors.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

In all honesty, the only time where I would think a veil would be inappropriate is when the woman is taking a photo for state/federal/country identification purposes. It would make no sense for someone to cover up their face if they are applying for something like a passport or a driver's license. At least uncover the face for things like that. Otherwise, let 'em wear it.

 

[FRE]

In all honesty, the only time where I would think a veil would be inappropriate is when the woman is taking a photo for state/federal/country identification purposes. It would make no sense for someone to cover up their face if they are applying for something like a passport or a driver's license. At least uncover the face for things like that. Otherwise, let 'em wear it.

Let us suppose that she is stopped by the police while driving and directed to present her driver's license. What if she objects on the basis that a photo of her face is on the license? Or suppose that the patrolman directs her to remove her veil so that he can determine whether the license she has presented is hers?

What about at the bank? Generally they want a photo ID and would have to have her remove the veil to compare her face with the one on the photo ID.

What about boarding an airplane for an international flight? Surely it would be necessary for her to expose her face to compare it with the photo on the passport.

Perhaps eventually there will be biometric methods to identify people who are veiled, but as of now they are not in common use.

 

[mitchymo]

In all honesty, the only time where I would think a veil would be inappropriate is when the woman is taking a photo for state/federal/country identification purposes. It would make no sense for someone to cover up their face if they are applying for something like a passport or a driver's license. At least uncover the face for things like that. Otherwise, let 'em wear it.

I have to disagree, like i have been doing.

It is an extreme ideology that encourages veils. To insist that the face is an 'intimate' part of the body and showing it is a sin is ridiculous. Within any culture, an understanding of public decency exists, its not a unique thing to just muslims. The difference exists in how offended or not we get.

I am not a fan or religion but i am happy to live alongside people of all faiths, having said that, i don't want to live next door to evangelical christians or strict muslims. They are the first to take offence yet also the first to dish it out.

So, the veil is symbolic of religious extremism as far as i'm concerned. Taking a religious view to the extreme. France is doing the right thing imo in standing up and saying they won't allow it in their land. I want the UK to follow suit.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

I have to disagree, like i have been doing.

It is an extreme ideology that encourages veils. To insist that the face is an 'intimate' part of the body and showing it is a sin is ridiculous. Within any culture, an understanding of public decency exists, its not a unique thing to just muslims. The difference exists in how offended or not we get.

I am not a fan or religion but i am happy to live alongside people of all faiths, having said that, i don't want to live next door to evangelical christians or strict muslims. They are the first to take offence yet also the first to dish it out.

So, the veil is symbolic of religious extremism as far as i'm concerned. Taking a religious view to the extreme. France is doing the right thing imo in standing up and saying they won't allow it in their land. I want the UK to follow suit.

I'm sorry... associating a veil with an "extreme ideology" doesn't wash with me. If people want to wear an article of clothing as a symbol of their religion, they should have every right to do so. Why should our Constitution grant people the freedom to follow whatever religion they choose, but then impede on the followers of a particular religion based on some people's internal fears? Besides, I doubt the terrorists that caused the planes to crash into the World Trade Center wore veils. Nor did Timothy McVeigh when he bombed the federal building in Oklahoma. And last time I checked, nobody in our country labeled all followers of Catholicism to be extremists, reprimanded for their dress or told they could never drive a truck again. Also... what would stop anyone who couldn't wear a veil from wearing a ski mask or a scarf if they wanted to cover their face while committing a crime?

This is much ado about nothing to me. We can prevent wrongdoing and future terrorist activity in our country without trying to enforce an everyday dress code.

 

[FRE]

I'm sorry... associating a veil with an "extreme ideology" doesn't wash with me. If people want to wear an article of clothing as a symbol of their religion, they should have every right to do so. Why should our Constitution grant people the freedom to follow whatever religion they choose, but then impede on the followers of a particular religion based on some people's internal fears? Besides, I doubt the terrorists that caused the planes to crash into the World Trade Center wore veils. Nor did Timothy McVeigh when he bombed the federal building in Oklahoma. And last time I checked, nobody in our country labeled all followers of Catholicism to be extremists, reprimanded for their dress or told they could never drive a truck again. Also... what would stop anyone who couldn't wear a veil from wearing a ski mask or a scarf if they wanted to cover their face while committing a crime?

This is much ado about nothing to me. We can prevent wrongdoing and future terrorist activity in our country without trying to enforce an everyday dress code.

Probably for many people the issue is not wearing something that denotes religion, but rather, wearing something that hides a person's identity and impedes communication. I don't care if Muslims wear a head scarf but quite honestly I really would rather avoid interacting with anyone who is wearing a mask, veil, balaclava, or any such thing.

I've known many Muslims, but none who wore a veil.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Probably for many people the issue is not wearing something that denotes religion, but rather, wearing something that hides a person's identity and impedes communication. I don't care if Muslims wear a head scarf but quite honestly I really would rather avoid interacting with anyone who is wearing a mask, veil, balaclava, or any such thing.

Honestly, I'm just not bothered by people who wear veils. Some Muslim women do it in New York and I could careless. I don't instantly assume that they're up to no good, nor that they're intentionally hiding something.

 

[mitchymo]

I'm sorry... associating a veil with an "extreme ideology" doesn't wash with me. If people want to wear an article of clothing as a symbol of their religion, they should have every right to do so. Why should our Constitution grant people the freedom to follow whatever religion they choose, but then impede on the followers of a particular religion based on some people's internal fears? Besides, I doubt the terrorists that caused the planes to crash into the World Trade Center wore veils. Nor did Timothy McVeigh when he bombed the federal building in Oklahoma. And last time I checked, nobody in our country labeled all followers of Catholicism to be extremists, reprimanded for their dress or told they could never drive a truck again. Also... what would stop anyone who couldn't wear a veil from wearing a ski mask or a scarf if they wanted to cover their face while committing a crime?

This is much ado about nothing to me. We can prevent wrongdoing and future terrorist activity in our country without trying to enforce an everyday dress code.

The veil is not so much representative of their religion as it is their extreme views and practices of it.

The security aspect is propaganda, the compatibility with one faith to live alongside another is the important thing and unfortunately, the stricter forms of Islam can be seen to be incompatible. There is a lack of respect and a lack of humanity in the stricter forms of Islam that the global community could much do without. Creating laws to say as much is a step in the right direction.

Claiming that you are being told what you can and can't wear is an exageration of the situation. Its one kind of item being banned for its incompatibility with the rest of society who regardless of religious belief, ethnicity and sexual orientation etc live in a liberal nation not an ultra conservative one.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

The veil is not so much representative of their religion as it is their extreme views and practices of it.

You're never going to get me to agree with the symbolism you're trying to paint here, so please stop trying to do so. The veil is not a symbol of Islamic extremist views & practices. In fact, the veil has been used frequently in other religions such as Judaism and even Christianity. It's wrong for anyone of us to demonize one religion for its usage. Veil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Claiming that you are being told what you can and can't wear is an exageration of the situation. Its one kind of item being banned for its incompatibility with the rest of society who regardless of religious belief, ethnicity and sexual orientation etc live in a liberal nation not an ultra conservative one.

Don't you think in a truly liberal nation, one wouldn't care what a person decides to wear? :wink:

 

[mitchymo]

You're never going to get me to agree with the symbolism you're trying to paint here, so please stop trying to do so. The veil is not a symbol of Islamic extremist views & practices. In fact, the veil has been used frequently in other religions such as Judaism and even Christianity. It's wrong for anyone of us to demonize one religion for its usage. Veil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Don't you think in a truly liberal nation, one wouldn't care what a person decides to wear? :wink:

In the context in which muslim women wear the veil is the difference between them and women of other cultures where the veil is worn. Wearing it has become tradition in practices like marriages and mourning but where else?
It represents an extreme view within the islamic faith where it is used to cover the face like underwear used to cover genitalia.

When i see a women wearing a veil or burqa, i know that she is much more likely to have a bad attitude towards me than a muslim woman who does'nt, even though both are likely negative.

This brings me to the reply of you're last comment. I really don't care what people choose to wear, i care what sort of mentality lies behind those clothes.

Now, having said this, i have to accept that it is actually pointless to ban them as i've reached the hub of my issue with them.
They represent something which i dislike greatly but their are plenty of people who dress in jeans and t-shirts whose mentality is undesirable from my viewpoint.

OMG, i've changed my mind for the fourth time now.

 

[lurker37160]

Of course it should be banned. It is SO yesterday's fashion.

 

[FRE]

Honestly, I'm just not bothered by people who wear veils. Some Muslim women do it in New York and I could careless. I don't instantly assume that they're up to no good, nor that they're intentionally hiding something.

My approach would be to ignore them, i.e., to pretend that they don't even exist; that seems to be what they want anyway. Except in case of emergency, I would not interact with them in anyway whatsoever.

One can find Christians whose attitude towards other Christians is just as hostile as the attitude of radical Muslims is towards non-Muslims. However, the Muslims whom I have known have been very gracious, caring, and loving people. The radical Muslims are not in the majority.

 

[Scot22]

mitchymo

MITCHYMO-----
"When i see a women wearing a veil or burqa, i know that she is much more likely to have a bad attitude towards me than a muslim woman who does'nt, even though both are likely negative".
Same with me----here comes someone who is intolerant and hostile of me.No grey areas,only sees the Western lifestyle in absolutes. This is frightening in a liberal democracy.
She would NEVER allow me into her house,chat over the garden fence or teach her children,to mention but a few of her responses.

 

[mitchymo]

The BBC just shown a headline saying that Syria is banning the full face veil in their universities. So, not just western non muslim countries with an issue then...

 

[TomCat84]

The BBC just shown a headline saying that Syria is banning the full face veil in their universities. So, not just western non muslim countries with an issue then...

Yes, most of us have said we have no problems with veil bans inside certain buildings- the issues we have are with veil bans outside, on public property.

 

[mitchymo]

Fair enough. I just don't get it tho. Surely it defeats the purpose of the veil if it can only be legally worn on the streets.
Its almost like a back-handed way of banning it but not appearing to do so.
Government are playing the good cops and allowing private businesses to do the banning.

 

[eurotop40]

Should the veil be banned?

YES, YES, YES