Should women be in the military?

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This is my rifle. There are many like it but this one is mine. Without me, my rifle is useless. Without my rifle, I am useless.

I just don't think a woman could pull that off convincingly. Also, what would she call her rifle? Jake? Bob? George?

The only valid name for a rifle is Charlene. And if a woman calls her rifle Charlene it means she's lesbian. And don't lesbians get kicked out anyway?

Whichever way you look at it, women cannot and should not be in the army. Or maybe this only applies to the Marine Corps.
 

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How about you take the points of the articles and deconstruct them (i.e. minimize the invalid points), then reconstruct work arounds (or ideas) that address valid points.

Works better than being marginally ad hominem.

This entire thread is ad hominem.
Are you really trying to have an honest discussion on a subject matter where some simple-minded people seek to find validity in the discrimination of a person based on their sex? You think that article you've posted brings new insight to the argument, when all it does is regurgitate many of the same played out sectarian excuses? At one point does common sense come into play here, or do you think we should all be overanalyzing such an obvious topic because someone reworded the same bigoted rhetoric in a more poetic prose?

Seriously, don't even play yourself out here.
 

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I don't think we belong in combat, not because any one is physically weaker or inferior...not even because women more likely to be raped by their own service men then in captive. I don't think we belong there, because men do not know how to function when they see a women being beaten. They cannot handle watching it. They are more likely to break to spare a woman of pain.

Also a man that saves my life in combat is someone I'm likely to develop feelings for, the bottom line is that I have a hard time turning that off and that effects the discipline of the teams. I've seen it with men that are separated from their spouses and a single guy with a girlfriend in their unit sneaking off. It creates dissention, anger and animosity. So they say you're not supposed to do anything period, in a combat zone. It happens.

The physical inferior crap is garbage. IF the military wanted their service members to train on physical fitness 6hours a day or require a gynmast level of athleticism, they would require it. They require fitness, but at the end of the day some will train more and raise their own standards, adapt to tactics more. Some make better decisions under pressure.

I'd rather get my ass kicked then to make decisions on 1/2 hour sleep and waking up to find out the perimeter has been breeched, we've lost 4 soldiers pulling guard duty and redeploy things that changed dynamically...resources you thought you had 2 minutes ago are not there. I hate making decisions under stress on little to no sleep. It's horrible...I'd rather low-crawl through manure.

Historically, men see us as objects of desire, for their pleasure, the loathe taking orders from us. They may get along with us as people, respect us if we run faster, etc...but they resent it. They want to be heroes for us. It goes against what they are. Resent women enough it morphs in to a different kind of pathology and I've worked for them - they are openly misogynistic and believe we're there for their morale or to be their assistants.

That said, the same obstacles happen in civilian life. The difference, we're not both armed, we're not sequestered in a box somewhere in the middle of nowhere.

I could also kick the crap out of someone that would attempt to violate me, but at the end of the day - if the risk is there more often then not, why put myself there if I am not wanted there in the first place?

I could easily say I enjoyed military service. I like what it represents, serving something bigger than yourself. I also don't think it's the same organization that it once was, where a call to service was a honor to your country. I see a lot of leaders with limited education in positions of god-like power full of self-entitlement.

A friend of mine was 5 months pregnant jumping out of airplaines and the 82nd airborne never knew it. IT was only when she could not get her harness across her belly that she relented and told her command she was pregnant. The reason, she felt, they treat women like $hit and worse if you're pregnant. No one would tell her she had to jump, but she felt she had to. Which some think admirable, I think its nuts-batshit crazy to put your fetus at risk because of what some cock-sick swinging jerkoffs with limited insight believe. Though Perception is king and it affects us all. She was right, the moment she told, some bottom-feeder said that she just pregnant because she did not want to jump (yes after having jumped out of a planes up to her being 5 months pregnant). SHe think she was a badass, I think she was deeply insecure...but I understand the pressure.

I don't regret my service, but I question it all the time.
 
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It's good to see that sexism runs deep on both sides in the 21st century. You'd think we might have moved past some of this by now. But no, over-generalizations and misogyny abound.

Women have every right to be in the military if they are fit to serve, just like gays and everyone else. Combat may raise other questions about fitness and strength and the drugs women serving take to stop their periods, but the military is alot bigger than just combat troops.

I'm for letting everyone have a go if they like and may the best be chosen.
 

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It's good to see that sexism runs deep on both sides in the 21st century. You'd think we might have moved past some of this by now. But no, over-generalizations and misogyny abound.

Women have every right to be in the military if they are fit to serve, just like gays and everyone else. Combat may raise other questions about fitness and strength and the drugs women serving take to stop their periods, but the military is alot bigger than just combat troops.

I'm for letting everyone have a go if they like and may the best be chosen.

What the fuck are you talking about?

I was in the military and I can speak from experience, asshole.
And you don't have to take a fucking drug that stops you from having a period...you lose enough fat your body stops menses... a lot of women stop menses in basic training b/c of the level of training - 6 days a week, twice a day. But that happens to women in gymnastics as well.. It's not an unusual phenomenon.

And I'm SOOOO interested in listening to some asshole call me a sexist about a dynamic he has not served in, nor has had to experience. You can say whatever the fuck you want on the outside - but until you are serving alongside - you don't and won't get it.


And I did not say ANY service - I said we don't belong in COMBAT and their my fucking ideas and I can speak to it, b/c I've actually served and I've been tactical.