Sick of versatile neutral porn

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It means assigning antiquated and fairly obsolete notions of gender onto sexual roles. For example, sexual roles that simplify into concepts of male and female, masculine and feminine, dominant and submissive, top and bottom, etc. In other words, borrriiiinnnggg.

Personally, I find it far more interesting, engaging and liberating when the line between sexual roles becomes obscured, or even done away with completely. I also find that porn that perpetuates this mythical dichotomy between roles is fairly oppressive, especially in heterosexual porn. Just think of all those disgusting humiliation videos; they feed off of that dynamic.

I know what you are saying, I have been with my partner for a year and we don't have anal sex. Neither of us are top nor bottom, we do different things when we have sex, we involve kink, and express ourselves sexually in all kinds of ways. I know all about the gray area and the freedom and equality it brings...but we are not talking about real life here. For a minute lets all stop being so serious here. I intended for this thread to be about porn, NOT real life obscurities and complexities.
 

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I don't mind a little variety in gay porn, and I do find defined roles to be just as hot as versatile ones. It also sounds a little contradictory to call such scenes heteronormative, since there is nothing hetero about gay porn. Heternormative is actually a term that suggests that heterosexuality is THE normal/natural way as far as sexual preference, while gay sex is a deviation of that. Just because the top and bottom roles are defined that doesn't mean that one is weaker or submissive to the other. There are many scenes where bottoms are clearly the ones in control. Bottom doesn't automatically equal "female" or the feminine role.
 

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I don't mind a little variety in gay porn, and I do find defined roles to be just as hot as versatile ones. It also sounds a little contradictory to call such scenes heteronormative, since there is nothing hetero about gay porn. Heternormative is actually a term that suggests that heterosexuality is THE normal/natural way as far as sexual preference, while gay sex is a deviation of that. Just because the top and bottom roles are defined that doesn't mean that one is weaker or submissive to the other. There are many scenes where bottoms are clearly the ones in control. Bottom doesn't automatically equal "female" or the feminine role.
You make a really good point. I could of course see how "top role" vs "bottom role" could be reminiscent of male/female sex...but then again who is to say a female's role is to be submissive? I know plenty of women who are NOT. I did state that I enjoy straight porn with dominant guys on submissive girls, but really its the opposite factor I enjoy, whether one of the porn stars is female or not. I actually also think bottoms who are in control are HOT. More greedy size queen bottoms please! :p
 

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I don't mind so much about the switching up. Though I do find straight porn hotter sometimes because the guys are actually "INTO IT" whichever is fine but straight guys are HOT!

You guys must watch some sucky ass gay porn.
 

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i totally agree... nothing creeps me out more than versatile porn. or porn where the top licks up his own cum at the end.
 

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i totally agree... nothing creeps me out more than versatile porn. or porn where the top licks up his own cum at the end.

Wow, definitely different strokes cause I get massively turned on when I see that.
 

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It means assigning antiquated and fairly obsolete notions of gender onto sexual roles. For example, sexual roles that simplify into concepts of male and female, masculine and feminine, dominant and submissive, top and bottom, etc. In other words, borrriiiinnnggg.

Personally, I find it far more interesting, engaging and liberating when the line between sexual roles becomes obscured, or even done away with completely. I also find that porn that perpetuates this mythical dichotomy between roles is fairly oppressive, especially in heterosexual porn. Just think of all those disgusting humiliation videos; they feed off of that dynamic.

Your over-intellectuallizing of sex sounds boring to me. If you have to think about it that much it's not fun anymore
 

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Your over-intellectuallizing of sex sounds boring to me. If you have to think about it that much it's not fun anymore

Your refusal to critically engage the material that gets you off is equally boring to me. Not to mention simplistic. How can you over-intellectualize something that's staring you blatantly in the face? Pornography and sex can be just as oppressive and offensive as it is fun. Especially with porn where, unless your a white cisgendered male, there's not much to work with.
 

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Hell fuckin no. I love it. I can watch a typical top-bottom video no problem, but I much enjoy and am more turned on by guys who are willing to take turns. It's the only thing that really makes sense to me. If I were to bottom, I better as hell be a top also. To me the typical way "roles" are/gets boring and for some odd reason annoys me. I don't fault anyone having their preference, is what it is. But I also don't get people who don't understand or appreciate someone's preference to be verse. I've read a few comments elsewhere of people starting to hate former top performers because they started to versatile and say how they've ruined their fantasies of the performer, not caring even if the performer wanted to or enjoys it themselves.

And I'm greatly more turned on when you can't tell who's the overall dominant one in the session or "relationship." I know for me personally, I'd prefer that in my relationship.

I agree here. Why conform to the expectations of "top""bottom" dynamics if the couple doesn't feel its valid? If both parties like anal there shouldn't have to be a game of rock paper scissors to decide who gets to top. Versitility = wave of the future.
 

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Your refusal to critically engage the material that gets you off is equally boring to me. Not to mention simplistic. How can you over-intellectualize something that's staring you blatantly in the face? Pornography and sex can be just as oppressive and offensive as it is fun. Especially with porn where, unless your a white cisgendered male, there's not much to work with.

I think I like you best of all. Great response.
 

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Again guys, being taken WAY too seriously. I am not saying ALL gay sex has to be this way, NO. AGAIN, we are talking about PORN only. Big alpha male top and little smooth feminine bottom. Get back at me.
And some of us are saying that in porn, we like that there's no clear cut top, bottom. Find me a video where both are alpha dogs, just going at it, rough and dirty, tearing each other apart, fighting for dominance and topping each other... I'm the happiest viewer ever.
 

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And some of us are saying that in porn, we like that there's no clear cut top, bottom. Find me a video where both are alpha dogs, just going at it, rough and dirty, tearing each other apart, fighting for dominance and topping each other... I'm the happiest viewer ever.

The reciprocity sounds totally boring to me. Basically it gets reduced to "ok now it's time for me to put my penis in your bum-bum then you can put yours in mine. My turn! My turn!" Very kindergarten and BORING. Also those guys saying versatility is "the future" I suggest you watch some 70's porn, pretty much all the stars were vers back then. Some future.
 

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The reciprocity sounds totally boring to me. Basically it gets reduced to "ok now it's time for me to put my penis in your bum-bum then you can put yours in mine. My turn! My turn!" Very kindergarten and BORING. Also those guys saying versatility is "the future" I suggest you watch some 70's porn, pretty much all the stars were vers back then. Some future.

yea and thats why vers porn is getting more and more boring...straight porn is nasty and raw and gay porn needs to learn from it.
 

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yea and thats why vers porn is getting more and more boring...straight porn is nasty and raw and gay porn needs to learn from it.

So I'm confused...when people switch it up and change things around you are bored compared to when another couple does the same thing the entire video?

I don't see the rationale :tongue:
 

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So I'm confused...when people switch it up and change things around you are bored compared to when another couple does the same thing the entire video?

I don't see the rationale :tongue:
I guess you are right, when the guys are don't have defined roles I get bored, all the mutual stuff doesn't do it for me. Am I alone here?