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The Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act was passed by Congress and signed into law by Bush in 2003
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The Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act was passed by Congress and signed into law by Bush in 2003
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well it's a good thing bushy didn't get
his way with privatizing that old socialist program of FDR (social security) because a good deal of the money would have been lost in the recent collapse of world markets.
bush has managed to spend enough
to effectively end social security before i'll be able to collect the withholdings from my paychecks through the years.
when the federal budget was balanced during clinton's administration, there was a thread of hope for social security
(there was even talk of a federal budget surplus in those days).
as far as i'm concerned that money was stolen from workers, and both sides of the aisle have played their part in that one.
his way with privatizing that old socialist program of FDR (social security) because a good deal of the money would have been lost in the recent collapse of world markets.
bush has managed to spend enough
to effectively end social security before i'll be able to collect the withholdings from my paychecks through the years.
when the federal budget was balanced during clinton's administration, there was a thread of hope for social security
(there was even talk of a federal budget surplus in those days).
as far as i'm concerned that money was stolen from workers, and both sides of the aisle have played their part in that one.
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That's a load of shit.
Barry is what his mother called him when he was a child. Calling him by that name when he's an adult and you're not family is *at best* disrespectful, but more likely a not-so-subtle racist dig: calling him "boy" would be too obvious, so you call him by the name he had when he was a boy.
Jack Kennedy chose to keep that name through adulthood; Barack didn't; so your comparison is fallacious.
Way to prove my point.
No, that's not what I mean.
Why not go back a little further and call him a paperboy? I bet he colored outside the lines in kindergarten. Have you investigated the other kids in his homeroom -- maybe some of them ended up being domestic terrorists, too.
John McCain and his internet minions campaign against Barack Obama's past because McCain loses ground every time he talks about the present.
It is in California, where the amendment is on the ballot.
Incidentally, I didn't even say marriage; you inferred that. The radical right also wants constitutional amendments to limit other rights: rights to make one's own medical decisions, or rights to political expression, for example.
"a position to be the cause of WWIII"? You're not helping your cause when you're refuting claims of abusive rhetoric with more abusive rhetoric. I think just about everyone around thinks the guy who is one heartbeat away is far scarier than Nancy Pelosi.
And regardless of whether Pelosi "lowered the bar big time", how is holding up an economic recovery package in protest putting 'country first'? We're gonna punish the entire country just to make a stink about something she said!
Yeah, we might forfeit the second amendment -- weapons have become a lot scarier than they were back in 1791. You guys would forfeit the fourth, sixth, and ninth amendments, not to mention that pesky Article III. And I shudder to think how many new, short-sighted amendments you'd add.
Shyeah, right. We have never impeached a guy over a freakin' blowjob. We have never called upon the Supreme Court to hijack a state-level decision. After losing a court battle to disenfranchise 200,000 voters in Ohio, your President intervenes in a partisan manner to have the federal Department of Justice interfere in another state-level decision.
"In general you accept it"? The whining about ACORN and the registration for "Mickey Mouse" shows that you guys are pre-emptively not accepting it, and already looking for places to point fingers.
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mr. 1bigg1, if you're in milwaukee, wisconsin you might be interested in these
links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sewer_Socialism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Party_1924_(United_States)
obama is more along the lines of lafollette's populism, albiet obama is usually less dynamic with the rhetoric, because
the u.s. audience of today is less receptive, also some progress was made in the workplace for a while. keep in mind there were still kids working and dying as child laborers in the coal mines at that time. corporations were even more outrageous about poor working conditions then. most real u.s. socialism is less marxist (not revolutionary) and more along the lines of the "sewer" socialism in milwaukee from 1890-1960. (which left milwaukee with one of the best public park systems in the u.s.)
links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sewer_Socialism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Party_1924_(United_States)
obama is more along the lines of lafollette's populism, albiet obama is usually less dynamic with the rhetoric, because
the u.s. audience of today is less receptive, also some progress was made in the workplace for a while. keep in mind there were still kids working and dying as child laborers in the coal mines at that time. corporations were even more outrageous about poor working conditions then. most real u.s. socialism is less marxist (not revolutionary) and more along the lines of the "sewer" socialism in milwaukee from 1890-1960. (which left milwaukee with one of the best public park systems in the u.s.)
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if you don't know why then you must have your head under a rock.
the wisconsin progressive party started as part of the republican party. the progressive party was even endorsed by the
socialist party of america at that time. go figure. read more. go deeper. wisconsin had a big role in the anti-slavery movement,
i think the republican party also started in wisconsin. of course john fremont ran for president, the first republican candidate for president,
on an anti-slavery plank at least four years before lincoln entered the picture. corporate interests later came to control both parties. but sometimes there is a little light at the end of the tunnel (as now) instead a tunnel at the end of the light, which is the direction it's been going.
i know some of this because my ancestors were in wisconsin when it was the northwest territory, they knew solomon juneau, and
put up john fremont when he was surveying the area with a french guy whose name i can't recall (nicollett?) really.
ok i'm finished now.
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I see you added more after I quoted you but still have no idea where you are going with this. No big deal though.
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yeah the republican party was organized in ripon, wisconsin in 1854.
fremont is still a recurring first or middle name amongst males in my family.
yet i am pro-obama. and consider myself an independent.
fremont is still a recurring first or middle name amongst males in my family.
yet i am pro-obama. and consider myself an independent.
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I'm personally very interested in the US election, but it's not the reason I come to LPSG.
As I've gone through posts lately, I'm having to skip about 30% of them because they're about politics, not penises.
From what I can see, there are lots of places where you can talk about politics, but only one where you can talk about large penises.
It's the Large PENIS Support Group, and not the Largely POLITICS Support Group after all...
Thanks for the answer. I was serious when I asked. Because all we usually here about here in the U.S. is that someone in another country was elected and that they were Consevative, Liberal, Socialist and so on. It seems that on the one hand we here in America get bashed alot because of the so called bickering and putting the other candidate down type retoric, but then if we take so long to run for office, we are putting ourselves out there so long that yes even the rest of the world gets tired of it. My opinion is simply that if all candidates spent as much time explaining how they would work at fixing our problems as they spend dogging each other, then we and the world would know what these guys and ladies really stand for and what we could look forward too. Instead we get to elect someone that is going to surprise us from the day they are elected till the day we are glad to see their ass leave the office of President.
Wow. Can you guys ever NOT spin something that has nothing to do with race into a racism? YOU are proof that America is not ready for a Black president.
Well, then can you explain your side ignoring this valid concern?
What does being a terrorist have anything to do with being a community organizer?
Ok, anyway...
If the highest achievement Barack has ever reached before becoming a Senator a couple of years ago was "paperboy" then you DAMN RIGHT we would be calling him a paperboy ALLLL DAY.
But as it stands, his experience comes from being a Community Organizer, and so the title.
Well that is just ignorance on the voter's part. Those that can't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. And if you know the past, you'll see that McCain is the better man for the job based on his PAST RECORD.
If you can't learn that, then we will repeat all of Barack's mistakes for the next 4 years.
You're not even TRYING to be honest anymore, are you? Who is going to take away more medical decisions? President Marxist Obama with his socialist healthcare or McCain who will help preserve capitalism (i.e. freedom) in the health industry?
Well as a capitalist, I HATE the bailout, and so do many other conservative Republicans voting on it. Nancy was too stupid to realize that trying to lie about whose fault it was, effectively pissing off those that probably really didn't want to vote yes on it, was going to make it fail.
I could just see Nancy trying to chastize Putin under her breath while he signs a sensitive treaty that they worked on for months only to have him crumble it in front of her face. How do these idiot attain power?
Don't forget that you would change the 1st amendment to ban religion in public places, and you would write the fairness doctrine (i.e. liberal checklist) into the 1st amendment under the "oppression of press". And I'm sure "hate" speech would be mentioned in the 1st amendment too.
That action had NOTHING to do with us accepting Clinton as OUR president. In fact we accepted him for 7 years. He broke the law, and we prosecuted. Don't even act like Dems havent viciously, rabidly gone after republicans who have broken laws.
It's called a Constitution. Ever read it? It's called "laws". Those are the RULES that we play by. You seem to want to do it your own way, whether it is legal or not.
Again, LAWS- the rules we play by.
On that, I rest my case.
I'm willing to leave this arguement at this. The people can read our thread and decide who is right here. I am very confident in the case I made on all of the points brought up.
I agree. If the length of election cycle was in proportion to the amount of time candidates spend really laying out their programs, you could do it in about two months instead of 2 years.
When I was a kid, candidates announced 11 months or so before the general election and even then we were complaining that it took to long.
Of course the US is a big country, so it's natural let takes longer than in European countries.
I think that system should be reformed. Maybe there should be a national primary held in June, after a 2 month campaign. Then have the conventions and the election.
I reckon that part of the problem is that elections are big business now. There is a lot of money to be made by consultants, in advertising and in the media. There are too many people who have a vested interest in prolonging the process.
Also the electoral college should be abolished. This would make the candidates campaign all over the whole country, so that everyone could meet them, instead of concentrating on a few battlegound states. It would be more democratic.
There should be more debates and they should be less scripted and longer. For example John McCain should be able to prove he has more foreign policy knowledge than Obama. Likewise, if he really does have a short fuse, let's see him lose his cool.
I dunno -- let's ask Joey Biden how come y'all never address him with a diminutive? Or Billy Clinton, Keithy Olbermann, Barbie Boxer, Dickie Durbin, Tommy Daschle, Johnny Kerry, Marky Warner . . .
Do you have an example of any white Democrat you've addressed with a diminutive that the candidate doesn't use himself? Show me that I'm off-base, and I'll listen.
Not a valid concern. That's why.
Obama was a community organizer for three years from 1985-1988. Between then, and his 2004 election to the US Senate, he's served as:
- editor-in-chief of the Harvard Law Review
- Director of Project Vote
- Senior Lecturer in constitutional law at the University of Chicago
- associate with Davis, Miner, Barnhill, & Galland
- Executive Director of Public Allies Chicago
- Board of Directors of
- The Woods Fund
- The Joyce Foundation
- The Chicago Annenberg Challenge
- Chicago Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law
- Lugenia Burns Hope Center
- Center for Neighborhood Technology
- six years in the Illinois Senate
- co-chair of the Committee on Administrative Rules
- chair of the Health and Human Services Committee
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So, um, if the media is controlled by liberal socialists, why exactly would we want to oppress it?
The very first year Clinton was in office, David Brock wrote an article for the conservative American Spectator called "His Cheatin' Heart", alleging that Bill Clinton used paid state employees to arrange sexual trysts for him. Brock later admitted to fabricating the story.
So, um, which seven years did you accept him? They weren't 1993-2000.
Yes, I've read the Constitution. Article II, Section I specifies that the federal government decides how many electors each state gets, and may specify the time when the electors meet, but that each state gets to specify how it will choose electors.
Having the federal government intervene in this process, as with Bush v. Gore, and with the current Ohio investigation, is clearly contrary to Article II.
Yes, there are rules.
So, um, what was your point here?
So, um, if the media is controlled by liberal socialists, why exactly would we want to oppress it?
Hardly. From day 1, it was Whitewater, whitewater, Vince Foster, whitewater, whitewater, Gennifer Flowers, whitewater, whitewater, Travelgate.
The very first year Clinton was in office, David Brock wrote an article for the conservative American Spectator called "His Cheatin' Heart", alleging that Bill Clinton used paid state employees to arrange sexual trysts for him. Brock later admitted to fabricating the story.
So, um, which seven years did you accept him? They weren't 1993-2000.
Up is down! Black is white!
Yes, I've read the Constitution. Article II, Section I specifies that the federal government decides how many electors each state gets, and may specify the time when the electors meet, but that each state gets to specify how it will choose electors.
Having the federal government intervene in this process, as with Bush v. Gore, and with the current Ohio investigation, is clearly contrary to Article II.
Yes, there are rules.
And the law states, wisely I add, that it's up to the Board of Elections and not ACORN to make the determination as to who is qualified and who is not. If independent agencies were given the latitude to determine for themselves that a particular application was fraudulent and then choose not to submit it, that sort of latitude could easily be abused for partisan purposes (e.g., by Nathan Sproul). Therefore, these agencies have to turn in all applications received and let the Board of Elections sort out the bad applications.
So, um, what was your point here?
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