Actually color can have everything and very little to do with it. SInce race is a construct within the "Black" community you can have individuals who are any where from milk white with red hair and freckles to almost blue black. It sounds as if you are looking more at a mixed marriage of religion not race.
Actually color can have everything and very little to do with it. SInce race is a construct within the "Black" community you can have individuals who are any where from milk white with red hair and freckles to almost blue black. It sounds as if you are looking more at a mixed marriage of religion not race.
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Or like with a few people in my extended family brown skinned with red hair and freckles.
Isn't race a construct of a greater society in general? i've always been amazed at how people categorize themselves from culture to culture. You can get on a plane and in Brazil call yourself white, the plane lands in Miami and now viola you are now Latin. Or leave the Miami as a black person and land in Sao Paulo and you are now mulatto which is not black.
Yes it it. I didnt mean to say that that only applied in the black community but there have been issues concerning racial designation that only seemed to apply to those of full or partial African descent,
Actually though in the US a mulatto has been considered black as well. Even in the US during slavery depending upon whether the part of the country was originally under English, Spanish or French rule a person could be categorized differently. Under English rule the one drop of African blood proclaimed a person black early on. This was brought on by the increasing numbers of those of mixed race who were free and land holding. In order to diminish their rights laws were created to distinguish them from whites. In the lower South specifically in states like Louisianna where there were a number of mixed race refugees from St Domingue after the uprising free people of color owned land, owned slaves and were often highly educated with a degree of autonomy and wealth. Though they did not intermarry with whites , their women on occasion entered into arrangements called placage where they were kept by wealthy white men and their subsequent children acquired education and property.
The plantation systems of the Upper South and Lower South were vastly different and also determined interaction. In the Upper South , though there were instances of large land holdings for the most part they were smaller farms which cultivated crops like tobacco and interaction between blacks and white occured much earlier ( Pre colonial white indentured servants and slaves on occasion had liasons and created offspring. If the mother was white, the children would be designated as "Free issue".)
In the Lower south the crops of rice and sugar called for many more slaves and they continued to import pure African slaves very late . The communities were often over seen by Africans and much of their own culture was kept in tact. The instances of white and black interaction usually was on the level of white and free people of color ( overwhelmingly mixed race)
Whereas in the upper south all people of color regardless of designation were regarded as black be they of mixed race or not. In the lower south and into intricate degrees of racial designation created by the Spanish and french were used to distinguish degrees of black blood in relation to white. (Mulatto, quadroon, octoroon, Mustee,etc)
As those from the upper south started expanding holding lower in the South the rights of the free people of color began to lessen and the over arching idea of African blood being all consuming began to take hold by the mid 19th century. The idea of being "sold south" in places like Mississippi, and Alabama brough fear to slaves in the upper south. Eventually as English rule (Americans ) took over Louisianna French was replaced by English and all people of color (Fully african or mixed ) were painted with the same brush of otherness.
After Reconstruction formal laws (Jim Crow) were passed that totally obliterated the distinctions between people of mixed blood and African and they were on a wide scale all branded by the one drop rule.
What I have found interesting is that in the Carribean very different sensibilities have developed depending upon the region. Whereas in the US the "One drop " of African blood designated a person as Black in what is now the Dominican Republic the idea of one drop of white blood has made them "white". So you can imagine the confusion that occurs when the two groups come together....
And that one drop rule is the reason, of course, why Obama is hailed as the USA's "first Black president" even though it would be more accurate to say "first president with African ancestry," considering his background.
Back to the topic at hand: No one has seriously raised the issue, at any length, of the crippling effect of Eurocentric standards of beauty.
What you're culturally encouraged to find attractive, even sexy, you'll find beautiful. What you're NOT encouraged to find attractive or sexy--or actively DIScouraged from finding attractive or sexy, as was the case for years in the USA--you'll find unattractive or even repulsive.
Thus the interesting phenomenon (in my area of the "upper South," to use naughty's geographic distinctions) of the handsome, lower-middle-class-but-striving Black man with the "anything goes as long as she's White" woman. Honestly, I've seen MANY otherwise intelligent, upwardly mobile Black men with godawfully trashy, low-class White women--too frequently for it not to be a pattern.
Think of a young Will Smith (during his "Fresh Prince" days) with someone whose face and ass look like day-old bread dough; whose hair is either unwashed, lank, greasy, dishwater brown/blonde, or all of the above; whose skin is unhealthily pale or significantly blemished; whose clothes are ill-fitting, dirty, or at least incredibly wrinkled; and whose volume is either larger or louder (depending) than most other women in their immediate vicinity.
Oh, and you'd never in a million years refer to the woman as a "lady." Even "ma'am" is a stretch, given her typical lack of manners or decorum.
I often wonder what the hell they talk about. Or how much the man has to fantasize in order to have sex with the woman. Is it all for the ability to brag (to yourself) that you've landed a White woman? I wonder.
NCbear (who becomes more and more astonished, the older I get, at how sheep-like most people are when it comes to cultural proscriptions like "thou shalt only date, live with, and/or marry your same skin color and background" -- and how fully many have swallowed the racist poison, even to the point of reacting exactly 180 degrees opposite from those same proscriptions, thus creating the other issues I've tried to describe above )
Back to the topic at hand: No one has seriously raised the issue, at any length, of the crippling effect of Eurocentric standards of beauty.
What you're culturally encouraged to find attractive, even sexy, you'll find beautiful. What you're NOT encouraged to find attractive or sexy--or actively DIScouraged from finding attractive or sexy, as was the case for years in the USA--you'll find unattractive or even repulsive.
Thus the interesting phenomenon (in my area of the "upper South," to use naughty's geographic distinctions) of the handsome, lower-middle-class-but-striving Black man with the "anything goes as long as she's White" woman. Honestly, I've seen MANY otherwise intelligent, upwardly mobile Black men with godawfully trashy, low-class White women--too frequently for it not to be a pattern.
Think of a young Will Smith (during his "Fresh Prince" days) with someone whose face and ass look like day-old bread dough; whose hair is either unwashed, lank, greasy, dishwater brown/blonde, or all of the above; whose skin is unhealthily pale or significantly blemished; whose clothes are ill-fitting, dirty, or at least incredibly wrinkled; and whose volume is either larger or louder (depending) than most other women in their immediate vicinity.
Oh, and you'd never in a million years refer to the woman as a "lady." Even "ma'am" is a stretch, given her typical lack of manners or decorum.
I often wonder what the hell they talk about.
Or how much the man has to fantasize in order to have sex with the woman. Is it all for the ability to brag (to yourself) that you've landed a White woman? I wonder. NCbear (who becomes more and more astonished, the older I get, at how sheep-like most people are when it comes to cultural proscriptions like "thou shalt only date, live with, and/or marry your same skin color and background"
-- and how fully many have swallowed the racist poison, even to the point of reacting exactly 180 degrees opposite from those same proscriptions, thus creating the other issues I've tried to describe above )And that one drop rule is the reason, of course, why Obama is hailed as the USA's "first Black president" even though it would be more accurate to say "first president with African ancestry," considering his background.
Back to the topic at hand: No one has seriously raised the issue, at any length, of the crippling effect of Eurocentric standards of beauty.
What you're culturally encouraged to find attractive, even sexy, you'll find beautiful. What you're NOT encouraged to find attractive or sexy--or actively DIScouraged from finding attractive or sexy, as was the case for years in the USA--you'll find unattractive or even repulsive.
Thus the interesting phenomenon (in my area of the "upper South," to use naughty's geographic distinctions) of the handsome, lower-middle-class-but-striving Black man with the "anything goes as long as she's White" woman. Honestly, I've seen MANY otherwise intelligent, upwardly mobile Black men with godawfully trashy, low-class White women--too frequently for it not to be a pattern.
Think of a young Will Smith (during his "Fresh Prince" days) with someone whose face and ass look like day-old bread dough; whose hair is either unwashed, lank, greasy, dishwater brown/blonde, or all of the above; whose skin is unhealthily pale or significantly blemished; whose clothes are ill-fitting, dirty, or at least incredibly wrinkled; and whose volume is either larger or louder (depending) than most other women in their immediate vicinity.
Oh, and you'd never in a million years refer to the woman as a "lady." Even "ma'am" is a stretch, given her typical lack of manners or decorum.
I often wonder what the hell they talk about.
NCbear (who becomes more and more astonished, the older I get, at how sheep-like most people are when it comes to cultural proscriptions like "thou shalt only date, live with, and/or marry your same skin color and background"
I agree wholeheartedly with your observations. Dont you think though that for some the idea of "Forbidden fruit tastes the sweetest" kicks in? IF you are told you can not have certain types of women dont those same women then become objects of desire. I cant help but wonder about Tiger Wood's personal obsession with blondness.
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I am black and i couldn't give a damn if some of our women dated outside our race.
I think humans in some way will always see things in terms of race, but i see no reason why race should be a bar in dating. A non-black person is still a human being, and on this basis alone one can relate to them.
I think humans in some way will always see things in terms of race, but i see no reason why race should be a bar in dating. A non-black person is still a human being, and on this basis alone one can relate to them.
True. You wont get any disagreement out of this particular vanilla chocolate swirl sistah. LOL!
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Agree 110% my only problem is when women (and men) refuse to date certain groups of people.
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What does that mean exactly. DId Sade say something to that effect? Remember her mother was English and I dont know if her father abandoned them or not. That is a big problem in some cases.
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i dont care about race, its irrelevant when you want to be with someone. catergorizing people into different groups is just a way to keep people seperate and ignorant of the fact that we are all human.
but if you are a blue skinned female, then i would regard you as goddess
but if you are a blue skinned female, then i would regard you as goddess
