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size does matter to woman. I'm average length but I have large balls and a fat cock. most woman I've been with tell me I have just the right size that width is very important my ex told me her last boyf had a long cock but very thin. she was in love with my tramendous head and width. woman like to feel full not overstuffed or lack of so an average cock with some thickness is best. the only problem with a fat cock is oral u rarely get a woman who won't use her teeth or complain of a lock jaw.
 

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Hahaha - Good we can go drooling, like sex-starved lunatic's, molesting and pantsing strangers in search of the ultimate cock together, :tongue: the more the merrier I always say! :biggrin1:


AND


I'm not even going to tell you how big my dildo is!!

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Honey

*smirks*

Don't go there... we could end up having a size contest just like a couple of the boys!
 

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Men are obsessed with penis size. Women aren't.

Most women who express a fixation on size are probably doing so because men want them to.

Dontcha get it?




 

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True. Most women aren't interested in size- just look at the vast majority of dildos. They are average length and average thickness.

The women who are interested in size are mostly interested in it for visual stimulation (but it is a rare women who is into the visual as much as men are). The vagina has no nerve endings after 3-4 inches deep and can close up on any thickness of cock. Thickness though, is the only area that would be something a girl could really feel. Excess length ramming the bottom on the other hand can be a real turn off.

That said, us guys can really get off on the visual of a big cock in her pussy, so more power to us!
 

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The funny thing is that I'm extremelt visual and LOVE the visual of huge boobs, but when I'm having sex, there is precious little to do with them.

I also get turned on by legs, butts, shoulders, hips, lips, great teeth, eyes, hair, jaw lines....but you know what is the sexiest part of a woman? Her interest in sex with me. Horny is more attractive than anything.
 

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size does matter to woman. I'm average length but I have large balls and a fat cock. most woman I've been with tell me I have just the right size that width is very important my ex told me her last boyf had a long cock but very thin. she was in love with my tramendous head and width. woman like to feel full not overstuffed or lack of so an average cock with some thickness is best. the only problem with a fat cock is oral u rarely get a woman who won't use her teeth or complain of a lock jaw.

First you tell us size does not matter to women, then you tell us that not only does it matter to women, but you have the best size for women. Please do pick and argument, and then lay it out in proper sentences.

...The women who are interested in size are mostly interested in it for visual stimulation ...

That's true for SOME of the women interested in size. Some of the women interested in size are interested in what gives them greater PHYSICAL pleasure.
...The vagina has no nerve endings after 3-4 inches deep and can close up on any thickness of cock...
False. Please stop spreading this misinformation. We have plenty of nerve endings throughout our entire vaginas. The ones deeper in are designed to respond to pressure as opposed to touch. And that starts closer to two inches in for most., not four. Most vaginas can close up on any common thickness of penis. Unusually thin ones would have diffficulty making sufficient contact with the average woman.
...Thickness though, is the only area that would be something a girl could really feel. Excess length ramming the bottom on the other hand can be a real turn off...

I'd hate to burst your bubble but that's just not true. I'm no size queen (ask anyone) but I can certainly feel length. Longer length puts way more pressure deep inside beyond the cervix (in the cul de sac). I'm not trying to tell you that all women like that pressure, or that all women like deep pounding, but you're likely on the wrong site selling the message that women don't like large penises. Actually, plenty of women do. I like them just fine myself. I don't have a preference for them, but I do have an appreciation. Yes indeed.
 

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The vagina has no nerve endings after 3-4 inches deep and can close up on any thickness of cock.

No nerves :eek: . The vagina is not a dead void beyond the first few inches. There just aren't as many nerves in the walls. So sensation can be felt in the deeper walls, just not to the degree of the first few inches.

Size doesn't matter articles like to give the impression that the first few inches and clitoris is all that counts, and the "g spot" gets brought up. But since there are nerves beyond the first three inches, the deeper walls must count at least to some degree.

When it comes to the deeper parts of the vagina, size doesn't matter articles leave out that the feeling of fullness women talk about, the anterior fornix (which I suspect may play a role in the confusion about whether a g spot exists or not), the posterior fornix (area just before the bottom wall, that area is believed to be the deep sensation that drives some women wild, a deep sensation some women talk about but is of course left out in those type articles :rolleyes: ), and the cul de sac (located between the bottom vaginal wall and the anus, technically known as the Pouch of Douglas) which has been said to create strong deep sensation in some women when the bottom wall is pushed into it by a penis long enough to do so. Size doesn't matter articles don't mention that even women who state size doesn't matter often admit that visually a big penis is quite the eye candy to them.

Sizes counts to most women, it's just not important to them (except size queens). Slanted articles like what I described take the 'not important' portion and word it so that it appears size 'doesn't matter at all'. It's known as 'spinning'.
 

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:confused: Stop the press, hold the fort, wait a second here!
I heard a woman say that if she became too wet she couldn't really feel average girth.


This is true for me. Actually, it's true for the guy too. Once I get to a certain wetness, neither of us is getting the best friction. So, we wipe me off real quick, and keep going. Easily resolved.
 

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Another thing people aren't picking up on is how women are socialied in most societies. They aren't allowed to fully express their sexuality and likes so upfront without being demonized.

I study this issue on all aspects strongly trying to read people's statements to get to the truth of the matter. Studied it for years.
This is my conclusion.


The problem with the word size is lack of definition. When you ask the generic overly broad question "Does size matter?" the answer is obviously yes. But what does that answer mean? Does it necessarily mean this particular size means more than this one? No, it is undefined. Any conclusion can be reached from this answer and it only leaves more questions. You could see what is implied and say all big ones are better or leave out the alternate reality that a few truly like small. Also you leave out that many like medium. It can go any way and it doesn't specifiy length versus girth.

First of all there needs to be a sizing system for penises just like a sizing system exists for breasts. I wrote in Measurection months ago that no one even knows what large and small is. They account for these generic sizes by relative comparison which is NOT how you're supposed to go about this. To an ant an anthill looks like a mountain but to a dog it looks like a little pile of dirt. Things must be fixed and defined FIRST before anyone large OR small can get a real handle on this. Vagina size must be measured too because what EXACTLY is a large medium or small vagina. What dimensions specifically are these objectively not subjectively.

I've found that the word 'average' is misleading and useless. It's a math equation not a numbering of ordinance. You can take all sizes and put it into any equation to make any conclusion based on the figures you use.

I proposed in Measurection the start of a 7 category or 9 category general sizing scale which would closer reflect the reality on the VAST range of penis size. First we must figure what exactly that range can possibly reach in the human form.

They go from 1 inch erect to 14 inches erect. Maybe 15 inches. Of course you're not gonna see many 1's or 14's/15's around but that is the potential range and how you must measure it to divide into category.

Taking 14 and dividing it into 7 categories we come up with size grouping within 2 inches of each other which is very accurate.

Originally I generically put it into 3 categories but this is too broad because approximate groups of 5 does not reflect the reality that physics produce.
1-5+ inches= Small, 6-10+ inches Medium, 11-15+ Large.
1 inch does NOT function the same as 5 inches. 6 inches does NOT function the same as 10 inches. And 11 inches does NOt function the same as any number over 15 much less 15.

I needed odd numbers to come up with the straight middle category so I went to next number 5. 15 ÷ 5 = 3 so 1-3+ is Small, 4-6+ is the hybrid of Medium Small, 7-9+ is Medium, 10-12+ is Medium Large, 13-15+ is Large.

Better than the old grouping but still somehow not quite right. The category ranges are too broad for instruction.

So with 7 to make it easier to divide in inches we use the range of 14. We add in extremes to better categorize.
1-2+ Xtra-Small, 3-4+ is Small, 5-6+ is Medium Small, 7-8+ is Medium, 9-10+ is Medium Large, 11-12+ is Large, 13-14+ is Xtra-Large.

This would be more accurate and circumvents the relative designations on size. For your personal reference you can refer to the sizes however you wish but for the objective reference the size range has been equally grouped by simple division of category with names attached to get feel on size category.

Unfortunately I ran into big problems proposing this because it upset people's personalized size chart. They felt smaller and wanted to discount the high range not realizing that men do indeed come in those sizes. It wasn't a chart of distribution of those sizes just merely a flat division taking original range and grouping it. With those categories you could give advice on how to perform in sex act by general principles. Medium should be the term not average which is a working equation faulted due to uneven representation because male ego and pride.

I ALSO found that women's view of the mid-range and men's view of the mid-range highly differ. Some men felt pleased that they approach the given average rankings. If they are 4 1/2 inches they feel better knowing they are at least close to the general 5 range that is considered average.

YET while women acknowledge the statistical average given I've found that that doesn't necessarily mean they like that size. Women tend to state 7 in length as a happy medium and girth is probably preferred in upper 5 circumference range usually 6. A man feels insulted when a woman doesn't respect his average and complains not realizing that the average studies are hurting him and his understanding of the true issue.

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(continued)

It is a LIE when women say size doesn't matter. It ALWAYS matters and it doesn't take long to see the truth in the statements they make. I read Yahoo Answers a lot on this issue and usually an "LOL" follows certain statements women make on the issue as if this is a joke on men. They are not truthful because they don't want to alienate potential mates since larger guys are rarer and because they don't want that image of size queen attached to them in society.

The truth of the matter is a woman's size preference (and there always is a preference) is determined based on her quality and/or quantity (variety) of sexual experiences, her particular vaginal physiology, sex drive intensity level and/or frequency, social conditioning, influence from peers and media of society, and to some extent their placement in the submissive to dominant hierarchy.

Women tend not to go much below 6 for an acceptable size and a few cut it off at 5 in length. There ARE some women (but probably not enough) who DO TRULY like smaller men in the range of 3 and 4. And some rarer women who are versatile and appreciate the wide variety of sizes from large to small finding a way to make each one work to her satisfaction. Women tend to prefer the medium range exampled in my 7-category chart. 7 to 8 inches in length. Girth is more important overall than length because women will like a smaller one if it's fat. But usually girth corresponds with length and many women put priority on both.

Some women may like 7 to 8ers but not like 9 and 10ers and above. Generically I could say most women like Large but not Huge. Large standing for Medium-Large in my 7 cat chart and Huge standing for the large and xtra large above it. This could be due to physiology. They simply cannot handle the volume. The man has exceeded her comfort range. Sometimes this is merely due to miseducation and fear. I read comments here saying how larger men got women accustomed to their size despite apprehension.

If the question is "Do women like larger more than smaller?" the answer would be Yes. I've studied it up and down. Even if a woman does NOT express or seem interested in larger sizes, an pleasant experience can change all that. I think this is called penis size discovery. Women don't fully know themselves either like humanity doesn't really know itself. Some women don't know that a larger size can have such an effect on them which is a basis of a lot of mainstream porn today. Of course this can work in reverse with the smaller man who was assumed to be a poor sexual partner doing like Nintendo Wii and exceeding low expectations which make it actually more attractive. I've seen stories of this too.

The surefire way to tell is to sneak a larger object into the vagina of your woman to see her reaction. Some of it is due to newness but most of it is mere physics. Different penises function differently and a size chart can help give those who are discounted due to their size an equalizing factor where while they won't be able to do it the same as another, they can get a comparable or same pleasurable effect. This is what needs to be studied.

Usually the women who express preference for smaller either had a bad experience with larger and turned off to that type going smaller and smaller until she reached her comfort zone, is naive about sexuality in general due to youth or lack of exposure through picture, print, or actual occurence, weighs other factors higher than sexuality in a mate which sadly sort of disregards the penis altogether, are truly into that particular size due to special match-up where the smaller creates a more pleasurable experience than larger (like targeted G-spot sensations), is a versatile sex partner who can make anything good, is physically smaller down there, may like the aesthetics of smaller ones, may have been traumatized sexually in the past (even though this could create some size queens as well), or is committed to maintaining a relationship above all else disregarding that matter in the strong desire to stay together.

I don't think most women are going to give a straight answer on this. They may feel self-conscious judging another and out of knowledge of how they feel judged don't want to express their preference outright, they may be with a man who is smaller and don't want to sow the seed of discontent by focusing on size which would hurt his feelings and most likely destroy the relationship, they may like to play mind games as payback to men for how they judge women, they may not even truly know the answer themselves and are trying to work this out right then. And some just parrot what is told without thinking for themselves.

Others will tell a straighter answer but do it cruelly and heartlessly to payback the men and demoralize the sufferers (women can be evil now), some will do it with begrudging concession putting a little sugar on top with "sorry" and such phrases, some will sidestep the issue with an added aside that the guys work on foreplay, oral skills and get toys (not realizing that anyone can give oral sex and get toys), some will just be matter of fact but none hardly give any solutions. Many tell the worried men not to worry about it but that's impossible isn't it? How can they not?

Some say "if she loves you for you it won't matter" but look at life. Who loves today? Love always comes after lust. Ask me more on that later. Love doesn't dispel the issue, it just buffers it. And its hard to find anyone to like much less love with how people are. Relationships are not easy to get into and the Lovers' Bond is the weakest bond in humanity. Family and Friends are much stronger consistent bonds. When was the last time you had to "work at a relationship" with your brother and sister or friends? You could not see your friend for 5 years and as soon as you get together you take up right where you left off despite lack of contact. You can do your parents really wrong and they'll still stick by you. Not so with lovers. Enemies' anti-bond is stronger than lovers' bond. You can have an antagonist for a lifetime but how easy is it to have a mate that long?

Size matters but HOW the size matters depends on those factors within the woman through the mind and body. Most women tend to prefer lengths within the 6 to 8 range and girths within 5 1/2 to 6 1/2 from what I've found. The smaller guys suffer due to kneejerk rejection and an added stigma of not being manly enough. Women don't really consider men who don't meet her standards true men in her heart of hearts and they treat them as such. the larger suffer due to botched sexual implementation (hurt the woman in penetration) and rejection of fear due to overgrowth of size which doesn't knock the manhood like it does the smaller guys but rather makes them seem like circus freaks. However this pain pales in comparison to the small since a women will take larger over smaller more often than not thus the larger guy gets more chances to find his match. And if all else fails he can advertise.

I'm committed to evening the scales a little here. We all are different. Why? I don't know but we're here so we gotta come up with something that allows everyone to get a better place at the table of opportunity. Nature has a cruel side and this is why civilization developed in the first place. What Nature leaves in lack Civilization is supposed bridge the gap.

There ARE true issues with being large such as being made to be a human sex toy disregarded by women after she got off and occassional occurences of relationships being incomplete due to the man not being able to properly have sex with his woman due to exceeding her. Other minor issues like clothing issues and such but the REAL crux is solving the smaller end.

The reason smaller guys come here is to gain understanding and face fears against a tide of social demonization of their kind. Sexology is in its Dark Ages and this is why the same questions keep popping up. I saw the sex advice columns from the pros. They bullshit and don't tell the full truth. I can understand the paranoia that results from all these mixed messages.

And no I'm not small at all. I educated myself on the issue where I once thought there was none. I've learned a lot & I got a lot more to learn. Until workable resolutions not just involving surgery (which is not reliable either) come up for smaller men, this will continue to be an issue of panic and constant question where paranoid men ask the clichéd questions which at its essence means "Am I good enough for you?" "Am I good enough period?" "Am I attractive?"

Only the small or those who see themselves as small/not big enough will ever ask this question. Their masculine identity is on the line.

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I believe volume is the best way to understand women's perceptions of size. Volume is the mass of length and girth combined. For instance, a guy who is 6" long x 4.5" girth will be perceived as smallish (though not exactly small) by some women, as even though his length is well into the average range his girth is barely within it and it drags his volume down close to the small volume territory. He's in the average volume range, so some will percieve it as average. He's so close to the small volume border that some will perceive it as being in that territory and considered smallish. Hardly any will see that as biggish (her vagina size and experiences must always be taken into consideration, as those can affect her perception, so it can happen). A 6" long x 5.5" girth will recieve some biggish reviews, some average reviews, and rarely some smallish reviews.

Length charts exist, and girth charts do also. Guys and gals use those to state what average length, and average girth, are. However, look around sites and volume charts can't be found. How does a guy know if he falls within the real perception teller - volume. That's the chart which in some sense is more practical than the other charts if one wants to know what a woman perceives when she looks at a penis in it's overall appearance.

If volume charts were more common, I believe many women would switch to stating their volume preference. Length and girth comments would be just additional sidenotes included.

If I'm not mistaken, I think LPSG has a volume chart, but it isn't going to be accurate with the general population, so it's not useful for this purpose. Thundersplace has one, and since it's length and girth polls closely match doctor's studies results, I would think the volume chart there is probably close to accurate. Unfortunately it hasn't recieved the voting attention the length and the girth charts have (each with thousands of votes), and only has around 100 votes.

A formula is used in order to calculate the volume of length and girth combined. Those volume results are then placed on the chart.
 

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Here is my take on the subject: size does matter. Guys who say it doesn't are mostly average or smaller. Ladies who say it doesn't have only had average or smaller guys. Doctors say it doesn't because there is nothing they (or anyone else) can do about it. If there is ever a safe, effective medical procedure, then size will matter. Doctors will stand to make billions from such a procedure. It is all about the perspective of the person providing the answer, and what they have to gain from that answer.
 

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Here is my take on the subject: size does matter. Guys who say it doesn't are mostly average or smaller. Ladies who say it doesn't have only had average or smaller guys. Doctors say it doesn't because there is nothing they (or anyone else) can do about it. If there is ever a safe, effective medical procedure, then size will matter. Doctors will stand to make billions from such a procedure. It is all about the perspective of the person providing the answer, and what they have to gain from that answer.


Not neccesarily...I suspect if there were ever a procedure to enlarge it well, it would become less important because it would no longer be special.
 

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Not neccesarily...I suspect if there were ever a procedure to enlarge it well, it would become less important because it would no longer be special.

It may work this way with some things, the legalization of some drugs in some societies, for example. The taboo is gone, and that was part of the draw.

However, I don't think it would work this way with penis size. This is such an age old issue. I have read (factual information) that even the ancient Vikings were concerned about penis size. I have also read about how many men have gone to a urologist, and begged for the enlargement surgery.

I personally, would just like to know that I am on par with, and can hold my own with most other men. There will always be outliers. I really don't need to be one of the huge guys. I just want feel I have the same chance with the ladies as most guys...something I have never felt.
 

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Proud7, if she's getting really wet, then it means she is really excited. I don't think you have anything to worry about! :wink:

Well I can tell you that when she gets really wet,I tend to not feel much.I would assume that if I barely feel any friction in those times,she likely doesn't either.I think it's more than her getting wetter,it may be that she actually expands a good deal when aroused,and it could be that she needs more than my 5" girth in those moments...
 

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Not neccesarily...I suspect if there were ever a procedure to enlarge it well, it would become less important because it would no longer be special.

Really? I'm not sure I agree. You don't see men's interest in large breasts waning as the prevalence of breast augmentation increases.
 

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Well I can tell you that when she gets really wet,I tend to not feel much.I would assume that if I barely feel any friction in those times,she likely doesn't either.I think it's more than her getting wetter,it may be that she actually expands a good deal when aroused,and it could be that she needs more than my 5" girth in those moments...

meh. Wipe her off, and if she doesn't feel tight enough, change the angle slightly, and stroke her walls.
 

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It is a LIE when women say size doesn't matter. It ALWAYS matters

The only thing I have ever seen to ALWAYS be true is that you will speak only in gross generalizations. I am sick and tired of you disregarding everything I say to youin public and in private. Size does not ALWAYS matter. There is NOT ALWAYS a preference. Thick-headed men like you make it very, very hard for women like me. Stop speaking for women. You have a penis, and you DO NOT know EVERYTHING.
 

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Here is my take on the subject: size does matter. Guys who say it doesn't are mostly average or smaller. Ladies who say it doesn't have only had average or smaller guys.

Actually, size doesn't matter to me, and I've had many lovers, most of them above average, some very big, some of them pretty small. I wouldn't say that size doesn't matter to other women, but I know some women for whom it really is not a factor. My experience is that different sizes produce different sensations. I feel them as different from each other, but not better or worse.