Size doesn't matter to her, so she says

[viking1]

Superlarge, I am NOT closed minded. When I have proof the PE works, then I will believe it. I have, thus far, not been offered proof. At least not to my satisfaction that I can see that it does. When it comes to believing science or what I hear on the street from every Tom, Dick, and Harry, there is no contest. I will go with science everytime.

Pictures on the net, or testimonies prove nothing to me. I have heard about and have seen "supposed" pictures of, ghosts, UFO's (non Earthly space carft)
psychic ability, and Astrology. However, I have not seen "concrete proof" and I still do not believe any of that stuff. People can lie, and pictures can be staged or altered. The incentive is usually publicity, or the plain old "bullshit factor".

Maybe PE does work. I won't down those who believe it or try it. It has not been proven to my satisfaction. No, I won't try it to see if it does. I am afraid of injury. I can't read a few pages on a website and be good enough to think I won't injure myself. Can I read a book then go fly an airplane?

I should't have used sarcasm toward your reply. I'm sorry for doing that.
My response should have been what I have now posted. This is a discussion forum, and that's the idea, to exchange beliefs and info.
I am truly sorry for the sarcasm, I was in the wrong to do that.

These PE threads always bring lots of passion out in the posters.

When I see PE threads, I often think of that "steroid use" thread. Steroids do increase muscularity, that's true, but at what price? I was shocked by those who here who have used that stuff and think it's okay. The reasons for the use are even more shocking, just for pride. Just to look better.
It's all in what is socially acceptable. Breast augmentation surgery is now socially acceptable. Steroids are becoming so. However, if someone wants to show off by driving a huge, jacked up SUV, they are just bad people.
They are the destroyers of the environment. What is the difference?
NONE! One is just socially accepted at this time, and one isn't.
Just like alcohol vs drugs. One is legal and accepted and one is not. They both do the same thing with similar end results. This whole politically correct, socially acceptable thing is pure bullshit, and part of whats wrong with the world today. In my opinion...

 

[viking1]

My wife is not at all concerned about size, she just wants her bell to be rung, and that is more motion activated , not size related.

She's seen alot of big dicks watching porn and most turn her off...If you're average or better and can "ring the bell", jobb well done !

Doesn't this say something along those lines: "if you are average or better"?
What about smaller than average, not micro, not unfunctional, just below average? There will never be a straight answer to the question, "does size matter". It will only be talked around in political fashion. people are so afraid of the answer to this question. When a prostitue with 30 years experience says "I have had all sizes, and I can't tell one from the other, unless I look". That's an answer. None of the answers here really are.
They are just politically correct spins on a hot topic. I know it's a personal preference, but every answer says that size does matter, and I can tell a difference in sizes. Even if that's not what the poster says outright, or intended. Just read into it a bit and you'll see.

 

[AlteredEgo]

I believe my answer says that I can tell a difference is sizes. I don't think my answer says that size matters to me. I acknowledge that it matters in varying degrees to others. However, it does not matter to me, and to two other women I know. I figure if I know two, there must be others.

 

[deleted15807]

I acknowledge that it matters in varying degrees to others. However, it does not matter to me, and to two other women I know. I figure if I know two, there must be others.

Survey after survey proves your point. The vast majority of women do not select mates based on penis size. This is the wrong site I understand to preach that point but you will be hard pressed to find any research were women put it even in the top five desirable traits.

 

[viking1]

I believe my answer says that I can tell a difference is sizes. I don't think my answer says that size matters to me. I acknowledge that it matters in varying degrees to others. However, it does not matter to me, and to two other women I know. I figure if I know two, there must be others.

AlteredEgo, that's true. You did give one of the most definitive answers here. I appologize for say "all answers" were compromises. Your's wasn't.
I still say that most are, though.

Survey after survey proves your point. The vast majority of women do not select mates based on penis size. This is the wrong site I understand to preach that point but you will be hard pressed to find any research were women put it even in the top five desirable traits.

I am not saying that most women select a mate based on penis size.
However, that doesn't mean size does not matter. I have always said it matters more in the world of casual sex (one night stands) than in a long term relationship. Looks, wealth, physique, personality, or education may not be deal breakers individually. They do all matter, and are part of the equation. I do agree with the point you made.

A lot of what is said here is about going out and picking up women, or men, for the night, or a weekend. That is a whole different world from picking a partner for life...

 

[deleted15807]

I am not saying that most women select a mate based on penis size.
However, that doesn't mean size does not matter. I have always said it matters more in the world of casual sex (one night stands) than in a long term relationship. Looks, wealth, physique, personality, or education may not be deal breakers individually. They do all matter, and are part of the equation. I do agree with the point you made.

I can agree to that. Uni-nocturnal affairs may be more physically based than the other long term mating strategies. But size still isn't #1. Women don't want a pyscho and that's #1.

 

[jdoe86]

Anyone who says doesn't matter is sparing your feelings. Now, not all women are size queens (and I've had a few who were afraid of the girth of my penis), but a lot of them prefered me penis (because of it's girth) over their boyfriend's or husband's penis.

I think Janet Jackson said "[FONT=times new roman, times, serif]"I'm a size queen. Honestly. If I'm on a date and I see the guy is not packing, that's when I fake a backache,"

Or you've heard: "It's not the size of the boat, but the motion in the ocean... But wouldn't you rather ride in a yacht than a row boat?"
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[cgttown]

Sure, size matters, just not how you might think. Skill matters too, as does attitude, cleanliness, and everything else. We men sometimes think that if a woman says she doesn't care what size we are, she means she doesn't care at all. What she's really saying is that size isn't a deal breaker either way.

It varies by person, of course. My experience as one who is above average in the endowment department but not OMG huge, is that women are very pleased when we get to that stage. I'm not a big guy physically, and while I'm nice looking, I'm not the type of man most women see and think "now there's a stud if I ever saw one." Instead, I'm the intelligent type, with wit and style. I know how to talk to women and have always gotten along well with them as people--friends or lovers it didn't matter. So, if we wound up in bed, I often surprised a woman that I was a very good lover, well hung, and long lasting.

My skill (and it is skill from studying how to please a woman in books and from experience) in bed only added to the reality that I had an above average dick. It was more of a pleasant surprise to them in certain ways because I'm also more of a grower than a show-er, so bulge wise it wasn't clear that I was well-endowed.

If I'd had a well below average sized cock but was still a lover who paid attention to my partner and what she enjoyed, most women would probably be very content with that. Some not, but most. So, it seems obvious to me that while size doesn't "matter" ultimately, most women like you to have enough to be noticed, particularly if you know how to use it (and your tongue, lips, fingertips, toes, knees, elbows, breath, eyelashes, and various other body parts).

 

[deleted15807]

Believe it or not but Janet Jackson does not speak for the vast majority of women. As hard as that is to believe. Some men find it so hard to believe that women do not think like they do.

I remember one day in developmental psych the instructor announced her husband was well hung and some of the girls just shrieked in disgust. I wonder whose feelings they were trying to spare?

 

[B_superlarge]

Believe it or not but Janet Jackson does not speak for the vast majority of women. As hard as that is to believe. Some men find it so hard to believe that women do not think like they do.

I remember one day in developmental psych the instructor announced her husband was well hung and some of the girls just shrieked in disgust. I wonder whose feelings they were trying to spare?

Sounds like they very well may have been disapproving of their instructor talking about her husband's penis. According to studies the vast majority of women prefer extra girth (and some prefer extra length). So the odds are the majority of those girls prefer extra girth and some prefer extra length. That indicates to me that their was disgust was likely not at the extra penis size per se. Your conclusion that they dislike big penises seems unwarranted.

 

[whatireallywant]

I can agree to that. Uni-nocturnal affairs may be more physically based than the other long term mating strategies. But size still isn't #1. Women don't want a pyscho and that's #1.

You said it!!! For my search for a "friend with benefits", yes I am looking for size, but I HAVE to make sure he isn't a psycho! I've had an experience with this recently - I decided not to meet him after he said in our last phone conversation that he'd been diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia. I really don't need that! I've had enough drama in my life already, although fortunately not the "psycho boyfriend" variety. I've been in a few real-life soap operas and in the middle of stuff worthy of the Jerry Springer show, though. No fun! I just get caught in the middle of stuff, it seems. I certainly don't go out looking for drama!

 

[B_superlarge]

Believe it or not but Janet Jackson does not speak for the vast majority of women. As hard as that is to believe. Some men find it so hard to believe that women do not think like they do.

Janet Jackson says she is a "size queen". She used that term herself. (She also said that several of her gfs are size queens.) So it's true she makes for a bad example.

 

[jdoe86]

You said it!!! For my search for a "friend with benefits", yes I am looking for size, but I HAVE to make sure he isn't a psycho! I've had an experience with this recently - I decided not to meet him after he said in our last phone conversation that he'd been diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia. I really don't need that! I've had enough drama in my life already, although fortunately not the "psycho boyfriend" variety. I've been in a few real-life soap operas and in the middle of stuff worthy of the Jerry Springer show, though. No fun! I just get caught in the middle of stuff, it seems. I certainly don't go out looking for drama!

When I ran an ad in swinger's magizines and on couples swinger's sites, all of the women and men told me that the #1 reason they picked me was my girth, #2 my Prince Albert piercing and #3 was my length. Compaired to the girth of some of the men I was 2 to 3 times the size around of their cocks. So, the 180 so people I had sex with in the 3+ years I ran my ads, I would say size did matter.
When you're hungry, do you go for the "foot long" or the cocktail weenie?
(At work, I've had girls check out the bulge in my pants. A few of them whom I dated after they no longer worked for me admitted they knew I had a "big one".)

 

[LemacST]

Anyone who says doesn't matter is sparing your feelings. Now, not all women are size queens (and I've had a few who were afraid of the girth of my penis), but a lot of them prefered me penis (because of it's girth) over their boyfriend's or husband's penis.

I think Janet Jackson said "[FONT=times new roman, times, serif]"I'm a size queen. Honestly. If I'm on a date and I see the guy is not packing, that's when I fake a backache,"[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman, times, serif]Or you've heard: "It's not the size of the boat, but the motion in the ocean... But wouldn't you rather ride in a yacht than a row boat?"[/FONT]

So if a girl announces it to her girlfriends that size doesn't matter, that means she's sparing the feelings of all the men in the universe?

About the girth of your penis, your penis looks at best the same size of mine (and I'm only a bit above average, technically speaking)or even less.

Last, why are you fucking other people's girlfriends and wives? By the way, again your penis doesn't look very "above average" (feel free to prove me wrong with this however) so why would these ladies supposedly tell you they were scared or that they prefered your penis over their boyfriends'/husbands' penises (of course, unless every one of them were below average, which wouldn't be such a common scenerio).


The problem of determining whether size matters has everything to do with an individuals experience, and every individual has an individual experience! If a girl only has experience with 2 small penises, then has sex with a guy whos larger than average who also happens to be skilled in bed, she will proudly boast that size definitely matters. If the opposite happens, as in a girl gets with guys above average who sucked in bed and didnt get her to cum, then got with a very small guy who worked hard and made her orgasm, she will say size doesn't matter.

 

[B_superlarge]

The problem of determining whether size matters has everything to do with an individuals experience, and every individual has an individual experience! If a girl only has experience with 2 small penises, then has sex with a guy whos larger than average who also happens to be skilled in bed, she will proudly boast that size definitely matters. If the opposite happens, as in a girl gets with guys above average who sucked in bed and didnt get her to cum, then got with a very small guy who worked hard and made her orgasm, she will say size doesn't matter.

A very limited example. Plus I'm not in agreement with "very small" not making a difference.
Most women have sex with more guys than that, and what happens when she meets a bigger than average that also knows how to work her over. Bingo.

 

[LemacST]

Yeah well, that's a given.

The difference, which women can't stress enough, is that not all two men are the same and that there's several things, even just sexual ones that would cause the size, whether good or not, to be overlooked.

There ARE big guys out there who can't get it up. Or have a really low sex drive. Etc.

But anyway, you keep drilling into one specific thing: An average-sized guy who can bring a girl to orgasm is good but an above-average sized guy who can bring a girl to orgasm is better.

Okay, so lets say a girl DOES feel more sensation because there's more dick in there stretching her out.

Couldn't this same girl feel this same "gauging" of her vagina by masturbating? What's the difference between a dildo of that size gauging her and an actual man of that size gauging her?

Well, basically just the man behind the cock.

This is where EVERYTHING ELSE ABOUT A MAN IS IMPORTANT. Cock size being about 5% of everything else a guy can offer.

The thing you keep doing is overkilling the fact that YES, if all things were equal, a woman would choose a bigger cock over a smaller cock. The thing you don't seem to understand is that guys aren't just cocks.

Only a guy who has to depend on his cock to get laid (which is kind of pathetic in and of itself) will try to make you think that, because he has nothing going for him.

The only time you should be worried about cock size is if you run into a clone of you who has a big dick. That's about it, though.

 

[johnlucas-1]

I'm BronxBombshell. You already know why I STILL think everything you've said is a gross generalization. I will always think so as long as you use the word always. Sega and I keep telling you there is no one truth which can be applied to all people, and your truth does not apply to either of us. Yes size does matter to most. Most people have sizes on both ends of the spectrum that they expect to reject. Some of us however do not. I have not yet met a man who I'd turn down fr sex based on his penis, and I've met a lot of men. I'll admit to being in the minority, but saying I do not exist is derrogatory.

Oh Bronx OK! :smile::redface: Bronx, I still have to address some of what you said in those private messages at MR. I had to stop for awhile because I had to work on my second job.

There is no one truth that can be applied to all people? What?
ALL Humans must breathe air.
Not a truth that can be applied to all people?
ALL People live on Planet Earth.
ALL People were born and will die.
ALL Men have a Y chromosome.
ALL Women have ovaries.
ALL pro tennis players are athletic.
ALL computer programmers are technical.
NO man can run faster than a cheetah.
NO woman can fly like an eagle.
NO man can birth a baby.
NO woman can shoot sperm.
NO boy can join the military.
NO girl can go through menopause.
NO baby can fend for itself.

There are PLENTY of statements of truth that can be applied to all members of a said given group.

And once again when I say size matters I meant exactly that. Everything matters. All women have a range either wide-ranging or narrow-ranging.

Here's some examples.
Say you went on a date with this guy. You hit it off and really made a connection. After a few dates, you decide to sleep with the guy. You get to the bedroom and discover this man is 2 1/2 inches erect long, 3 1/2 inches around. Will you allow the man to peform the act of penetration upon you?
If the answer is no, then his size made a difference. It mattered. It changed your normal plan of procedures. You liked the guy and were looking for penetration as part of the sexual relations but you changed this previous upon discovery of his dimensions.

Now you MAY not throw him out of bed and continue sexual relations in OTHER ways through use of oral, toys, and other things like that. The other question is with the way you two hit it off on the date with the knowledge of the sexual relations, will you continue to date this man?
If the answer is no, then his size made a difference. It mattered. It changed your normal plan of procedures. When you hit it off with somebody, you want to continue hitting it off with that person because you clicked so well. But if his size caused you to abort this plan of procedure, then that says something since you liked the guy in every other regard.

Another scenario.
You go clubbin' and you meet a guy you dig. Oh-what-WOW! He's the greatest dancer! Oh-what-WOW! That I've ever seeeeen! (see Sister Sledge for the pun) He hit off a spark in you that had you floating. Lust was in the air, it's a disco night and you can't wait to get his clothes off.
Y'all retreat from the dancehall and take the car to a secluded area.
His pants AND underpants come off and what comes out is a 14 inch long, 8 1/2 inch round penis. He had baggy pants and you had no clue. He was like MC Hammer and those Genie pants let's say.

Now knowing this and seeing this, will you let this man begin the act of penetration upon you?
If the answer is no, then his size made a difference. It mattered. It changed your plan of procedure. That procedure was to copulate and you paused this procedure as a direct result of his size.

Now you MAY not end the lustmeeting there and work around the guy's overgrown status in a numerous creative set of ways. But the other question is...will you continue to meet up with this man for sexual relations?
If the answer is no, then his size made a difference. It mattered. It changed your plan of procedure. He was Gettin' Jiggy Wit It Oh-What WOW! Nana-na-na nana-na Nana-na-na-nana! You liked his style and he had you floatin' but you had to turn him down because sex with him would be a painful experience.

I meant every word. EVERYBODY has a standard whether it's wide-ranging or narrow-ranging but it's there. Sometimes standards are relaxed and widened based on other accompanying preferences. This is why you hear the statements of "if he/she was THAT (what they don't like) but he/she was enough of THAT (what they DO like), then I'll accept." Not a ringing endorsement but it's better than nothing.
It's not that the preference changed. Not at all. They never do. But that another preference may rank higher on the scale depending on the makeup of the individual and the individual they seek. Even then if one attracting factor is not high enough even the higher ranking attraction preference won't make up for it. It actually can be tabulated and totaled someone's attractive rating. This can scientifically done actually. What departments of attraction are there, how do they rank and when does an excession or lack affect the ratio? What's the total score? What's that particular person's equation of attractive factors?

The usual statements about male height from women. If a woman doesn't seek or leave the door of opportunity open for short men, she doesn't like short men. If short men are taken in concession, that still doesn't mean she really likes short men but rather she liked other attributes in that short man which balanced out the ratio of attraction. She likes those other attributes but still does not really like his short height.

Denying that everyone, EVERYONE creates some sort of standard in mate-ability is not helpful. Wealth matters to women because if this man doesn't have enough funds then he will not be able to date. This can range from blue-collar wage as accepted to white-collar professional as accepted to multi-millionaire as accepted. Say there was a homeless man who somehow kept himself clean and hygenic. Could he date a woman without any money in his pocket? NO. Unless that woman is as homeless as he is which means her range matches his level, he won't be able to date. He has no true home. A home is some representation of wealth. His "home" is any street corner he can take refuge in and no woman outside of one who is just as homeless as he is will take a chance to visit his "home" in a romantic setting.

Do looks matter? Damn right they do. To EVERYONE. If a woman is not up to this man's set standards of attractiveness, he will not date her. He will not mate her. These standards can range from sex symbol to supermodel to girl next door to plain jane convenience store worker. But there is a cut-off point where a man won't go any lower no matter what—regardless of what he looks like.
There are men who flat out refuse to date a fat woman. Not just chubby but 300 pounds and up. No matter how good or how kind or whatever good qualities she has about her, he will shut her down as mate material right or wrong. There are men who flat out refuse to date women under a certain breast size and OVER a certain breast size. Doesn't matter what other qualities the woman has, that man makes his standard stick to his detriment or success.

You don't get on TV if they don't like your looks. Ask Julie Chen from CBS. It's sad but she had to change her looks drastically so she could advance her career. Nevermind the wealth of knowledge and professionalism and integrity. Ugly Betty ain't ugly! Hahahahaha! America Ferrera is not ugly. Why didn't they get a truly "ugly" girl to play Ugly Betty? Because on TV looks matter whether it's right or wrong.
Look at Star Jones who after so many years all of a sudden buckled under the pressure to be thin and went through drastic weight-loss surgery just for a certain look to escape the ridicule.

Some standards are worth keeping (hygiene, character) and other standards are self-defeating (job, skin color, height, weight, car, shoes). But it's that person's choice on where to draw the line. But believe you me, on EVERYTHING Bronx, a standard is made. A preference is stated strongly or faintly but it's there.

You have a very wide-range of acceptance with penis size but even you have your limits. I remember one statement you made in MR detailing that limit.

John Lucas

 

[pavement]

A lot of times thiese repetitive *size* posts want to paint women into a very tight corner. The posts start fairly broad but then the men here like to chisel and chisel until they get the answer they want, Women want a big dick.

I am gonna be egotistically direct here hoping to make a point. I am a pretty good looking guy, at one time pretty much drop dead good looking in the Olivier Martinez, Eric Bana, Antonio Banderas mold. I have a body on the upper highest percentile of attractive ( to both men and women). I am OK endowed, and I even can be quite charming in conversation. I even have a bit of money too. Whats this ridiculous ego massage all about? Given all that, I have noticed that in flirtatious conversations with women, if I SAY one wrong thing, its over. I am toast. That simple. And rarely is there a thing I can do to bandage the mistake. Stick a fork in him, he's done.

Women and their feelings and emotions are complex. It is so difficult to pigeon hole them or simplify it down to something as mechanical as a big dick. We want them to be a simple as us, show us long legs, nice tits and a pretty face and we will overlook anything, anything they do or say, to sack that. Lets use an example. Lets say you were chatting up a girl at a bar, things are going good and you innocently said * how come you never went to college?* I would be braced at that point for anything, including a *fuck you, you think I am dumb?. See ya.* If you haven't said the apparent most innocent thing once and got toasted for it, you are a magician.

As you see here you just can't pigeonhole them. They resist it at every turn because in reality you can't pigeonhole them.

I am Me but You are You so thus?

 

[B_ScaredLittleBoy]

Size matters. Anyone who says it doesn't hasn't had a big one yet or has not had a good experience with a big one.

I didn't used to think breast size mattered. Til I had some DD's in my face :tongue:

I would never date a AA girl, there needs to be at least some bust there...D at least, C maybe. That's just my preference. Women are allowed preferences too. Or are they? Maybe they need to be controlled and put in their place .

 

[viking1]

This has panned out just like I said. The big guys mostly saying "size does matter." The average and smaller guys mostly saying it "doesn't matter."

Anybody else notice the "voting" in these threads being along "party lines?"