Size doesn't matter to her, so she says

[whatireallywant]

Like anything else, superlarge, it depends on the woman. I'm built small and I have never had any trouble feeling a man inside me no matter how wet I am. My point to Proud7 is that is she is wet, then she is excited, so she must feel him just fine.

Some girls have roomier vaginas. A boyfriend of mine once told me of a girl he dated for a while in high school who was a virgin. All he did was finger her and he said it was like putting his fingers into an open hole. He descibed it as "big" on the inside. It's not a bad thing, but just the way she was.

Exactly... people know that men come in different sizes because it's on the outside and you can see it. But people don't often seem to realize that women come in different sizes too. I also didn't realize that I was one of the "big girls" until my long term bf said something about that, basically he said that I was one of the deepest women he'd ever been with. I don't mind this really, although it does get frustrating that I can't really feel an average sized guy.

 

[B_superlarge]

I don't know. All of the average guys were guys I picked up as opposed to them picking me. The two smallest guys pursued me, and my boyfriend started out below average, but did PE until he was just above average. (He has had unbelievable gains. It might be because I help him.)

I am 5'9", broad shouldered, and stacked. I think most average and smaller guys assume I have a big pussy or something. I dunno. I used to post on measurection, and a lot of the guys there said they were afraid to approach large-breasted women. I do have uncommonly large breasts.

That post confuses me. I was about to say that your preference for tall guys has contributed (contributed, though not totally explained of course) towards your higher percentage of larger penises since Thundersplace poll of 1400 guys indicates a correlation between height and penis size exists, (plus sizesurvey's poll, though the correlation strength indicated at Thundersplace is to be considered more reliable). But then I noticed your comment that you picked up the guys who had average penis sizes.

Also, of the guys I've known who's penis size I was aware of (of course most guys I didn't know, but the ones I did either they mentioned it, or their gf or ex gf mentioned it and word got around) the ones who appeared to be the MOST into big breasts were the guys with the smallest penises (not saying others didn't like big breasts, usually they did). That is in contradiction to measurection, but I also realise that the number of guys I have to judge by is probably far less than the number who posted into the thread you mentioned (how many posted into that thread? Any chance you might be able to find it and link it?).

Actually, it has appeared to me that the female lower body size and penis size were also linked. The guys I've mentioned that had the smallest penises and were very much into big breasts, well, they all preferred small to average lower body size. None have liked Beyonce, JLo, Serena Williams type lower bodies.

Once again, I realise my data on this is very limited. That's why I would very much like to see that link if you are willing to search for it (if you are don't go to too much trouble trying to find it). I may need to revise my opinion on this, at least the breasts part anyway if that is all it talks about and is in contrast to my experience (btw, any threads you know of there concerning the female lower body size vs penis size?).

 

[deleted15807]

I don't mind this really, although it does get frustrating that I can't really feel an average sized guy.

Have you tried Kegel exercises?

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[B_superlarge]

Another one that is used by women claiming size doesn't matter:

"I've found that guys with big ones tend to not use it well. They assume insertion is all that is needed".

Fair enough if that has been her experience, but notice that once again something doesn't add up.

Whereas in my OP I pointed out the additional positive factor typically given to the smaller guy even though she is saying everything is equal, in this case something is being left out, never ever gets even a mention by the 'big guys don't use it well' 'size doesn't matter' group.

What is being left out? It's her riding on top that is conveniently left out of her statement. When she is on top that becomes a non factor. It's a much used well known sex position, one she has probably used many times. Suddenly it doesn't exist though. Oh the forgetfulness! That non mention indicates to me the woman may very well see herself as a defender of the smaller guys, as once again just a bit of examination indicates a real chance she isn't being 100% honest.

 

[AlteredEgo]

That post confuses me. I was about to say that your preference for tall guys has contributed (contributed, though not totally explained of course) towards your higher percentage of larger penises since Thundersplace poll of 1400 guys indicates a correlation between height and penis size exists, (plus sizesurvey's poll, though the correlation strength indicated at Thundersplace is to be considered more reliable). But then I noticed your comment that you picked up the guys who had average penis sizes.

Also, of the guys I've known who's penis size I was aware of (of course most guys I didn't know, but the ones I did either they mentioned it, or their gf or ex gf mentioned it and word got around) the ones who appeared to be the MOST into big breasts were the guys with the smallest penises (not saying others didn't like big breasts, usually they did). That is in contradiction to measurection, but I also realise that the number of guys I have to judge by is probably far less than the number who posted into the thread you mentioned (how many posted into that thread? Any chance you might be able to find it and link it?).

Actually, it has appeared to me that the female lower body size and penis size were also linked. The guys I've mentioned that had the smallest penises and were very much into big breasts, well, they all preferred small to average lower body size. None have liked Beyonce, JLo, Serena Williams type lower bodies.

Once again, I realise my data on this is very limited. That's why I would very much like to see that link if you are willing to search for it (if you are don't go to too much trouble trying to find it). I may need to revise my opinion on this, at least the breasts part anyway if that is all it talks about and is in contrast to my experience (btw, any threads you know of there concerning the female lower body size vs penis size?).

Since I've not dated thousands of men (though I have seen hundreds of erections in person) my observations are by no means scientific. However, my experiences have led me to believe that there is no correlation between height and penis size. I'm skeptical of voluntary surveys, but I trust my own eyes. The 9 inch penis belonged to my second short boyfriend who stood at 5'7" or 5'8". (I don't remember, and since he's sensitive about his height and the fact that I've since gotten taller than he is, I can't ask him.)

As for the smallest guys indicating that liked larger breasts... were they simply the smallest, or were they actually smaller than average? Also, the guys on measurection didn't exactly say (for the most part) that they don't like large breasts. What they said was they do not appproach women with large breasts. Some also said they look for petite women because they hope they'll be smaller inside and be satisfied by their small penises.

You'd just have to go over there and skim through the GirlTalk section. These posts are concentrated in two threads threadds that come to mind, but there are many more, giving a more complete picture that you'd only come accross through serious lurking, or participation. Most of the smallest guys there (you have to join and fill out a profile to see their sizes) don't approach women at all, and the ones who do avoid my type.

A thread to start with is this one, and there was another about how some men thought guys with larger penises deserved the more curvaceous women. I tried to find that for you but gave up after searching for half an hour. You may stumble accross it if better search parameters occur to you, or if you are browsing long enough. It was either in the GirlTalk section, or the SmallX-change. It's more than a year old.

I can think of one average-hung guy who picked me up, but that was before I was fully matured. He was also the shortest guy I dated, but not by any stretch the smallest. He was average in length only, and I've definitely been with shorter and slimmer penises.

I don't know what to tell you. Most of my experience (as one would expect) has been with average-hung guys 5-6 inches. But there have been a few extraordinary penises along the way of unusual size on either end of the spectrum. I've played with a statistically improbable number of small penises too. One was 2.5", but there was no penetration. One was 4.5, and my boyfriend was 4"x4" when I met him. (He's almost, but not quite, 6"x6" now.)

 

[B_superlarge]

Since I've not dated thousands of men (though I have seen hundreds of erections in person) my observations are by no means scientific. However, my experiences have led me to believe that there is no correlation between height and penis size. I'm skeptical of voluntary surveys, but I trust my own eyes. The 9 inch penis belonged to my second short boyfriend who stood at 5'7" or 5'8". (I don't remember, and since he's sensitive about his height and the fact that I've since gotten taller than he is, I can't ask him.)

The poll I spoke of at Thundersplace, if one just looks at the raw numbers a correlation is not apparent. It's when the sizes are sectioned off separately and percentages applied that the moderate strength correlation appears. Your skepticism of voluntary surveys is not unwarranted, but Thundersplace's penis length and girth polls match doctor studies closely, and therefore that is good reason to believe the height vs penis poll is probably close to accurate. It's a good serious forum.

 

[DeepCurve]

The big guys mostly saying "size does matter." The average and smaller guys mostly saying it "doesn't matter."

Anybody else notice the "voting" in these threads being along "party lines?"

This is completely understandable. Mr. Average wants to be reassured that he's not at a disadvantage in the lists of love. While Mr. Hung, it seems to me, seeks confirmation that he's some kind of genetic celebrity that women are going to fall all over.

Sorry, it doesn't work that way. Women choose men for a variety of reasons, among which cock size is probably one of the least consequential. Especially since it's likely that they have no idea what the guy's cock size might be until after they've already "chosen" him, if you see what I mean. You can't just walk into a public place and call out "Ladies, I have a big dick!" and expect them to form a queue. They may or may not believe you about having a big dick, but its guaranteed they'll think you are one. Men face essentially the same opportunites and predicaments with meeting women, the same pleasures and perils, pretty much regardless of their size. Any advantages or disadvantages are inside the guy's own head; it is certainly true that self-confidence is a lot sexier than obvious insecurity.

Granted, some women have a distinct preference for bigger, for various physiological or psychological reasons. You'll find plenty of them here. (Hello, what site is this, anyway? :tongue But the statistical fact is that most women, unless they are unusually promiscuous, are unlikely to have much if any experience with men outside the average range. How can one expect them to express a preference for something with which they have no direct experience? If they shrug and don't comprehend what all the fuss is about, does that make them liars? How very unfair.

It is natural to be curious about things one has never experienced, which probably explains a lot of the beauty salon talk (guys would probably call our version "locker room" talk). Precisely because most of the women doing the chatting have never had anything but average plus or minus an inch or so. But one cannot infer from this that these women are going to go out on a mad quest for giant dicks, tear up their relationships, divorce their "average" husbands, and do like Janet Jackson with any guy who isn't packing enough. That's just silly.

As a general rule, size doesn't matter for the simple reason that the majority of women are going to experience nothing but the 90+% of men who are in the average category. OTOH size matters a lot to particular women. Clearly this is a highly individual and subjective thing. So how about just taking a woman's word for it when she says that she does, or does not, care about penis size? Why does her answer have to be right or wrong?

 

[viking1]

Well said, DeepCurve. I pretty much agree...

 

[B_superlarge]

How can one expect them to express a preference for something with which they have no direct experience?

As a general rule, size doesn't matter for the simple reason that the majority of women are going to experience nothing but the 90+% of men who are in the average category.

Very many women say they've encountered a big one. So either the vast majority are mistaken or lying?

Or could it be that you are mistaken?

Let's take the the 90% you presented as evidence that average is about all they meet. Let's say 5% of the 10% left over are above average. We now need to double that percentage to 10% because sizesurvey.com ran a poll of 3100 guys and it shows guys above average in penis size get around twice as often (in general). So that puts it at 10%. Plus, lets not forget that a woman can run into extra girth or extra length or both. So since girth and length must both be taken into consideration as separate categories, then that means 10% must be doubled to 20%. For afterall, average guys aren't just concerned about whether she has met long dicks, as thick ones are part of the concern also. Now, let's say she has sex with just 5 different guys. That means her chances are strong that she has met a long one, or a thick one, and about 50-50 that she has met both. If she has sex with 10 different guys then the chances of having run into both a long one and a thick one are very high.

 

[johnlucas-1]

You go on and believe what you like. I know how rare they are, but smaller guys do not approach me. There have been a few 8 inchers as well, but most of my experience is in the 6-7 inch range. I'm... experienced.

Bronx, do you know why?
I've seen your original avatar at that other penis discussion place.

You're thick, busty & built with a pretty face. Guys who feel the pressure of competition in mating will shy away from you no matter how much they may like you because they feel they won't have a chance or measure up to your expectations. That's their assumption.

Guys who have some complex or another of being not good enough assume that because of your ability to attract men you have seen a good portion of the variety of men and have made your selection for the cream of the crop. They figure they're wasting their time since they don't have certain attributes whether it be money or penis size or height or college education or car or house or dress style or personality or whatever. They feel if they can't compete, why try?

You're probably not approached by many smaller penised men because they don't feel they have a chance in the memories of past boyfriends that you may be still dreaming about. They feel that the comparisons are inevitable especially if they don't make a good enough impression regardless if they got a date or even a relationship out of it. Men look at women like you as untouchable because of assumptions of experiences whether true or not.

This leads to the hidden reality of the "lonely pretty girl" which many women will have no sympathy for. Because of assumption NO one takes the chance with those types actually making the women alone without a mate. They figure that if they get involved the competition will be too great from other males and males assumed to be in the woman's past through memory or otherwise.

It's amazing how significant the mating game is to human life and we have such poor metrics on understanding just how it works. Like I say all the time Sexology is in the Dark Ages. I guarantee you this kind of stuff can be measured by number and studied to give different people pointers on how to approach people mating wise instead of the wing-it way we like to employ so much.

John Lucas

 

[whatireallywant]

Have you tried Kegel exercises?

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I was wondering where the information was on this.

I haven't really had a problem with feeling a guy in a long time though - my last 3 partners have all been above average. Of course, if I start dating an average guy, maybe this would come in handy...

 

[deleted15807]

Well said, DeepCurve. I pretty much agree...

Absolutely well said.

Data from 'sizesurvey' is not scientific data. Janet Jackson's preference is not scientific data that one can extrapolate to mean all women.

 

[noshi]

One point about vagina size I wanted to point out was where in a woman's cycle she is in is a factor in what she will deem as "filling". Where a woman's cervix and uterus is is dependent on her hormones. In short a 6" penis could please her all the way at one point but at another 7" might be the ideal. Vice versa. If you had a 7" long one you would end up having to be careful unless it was that time of the month. One of my thoughts about why women give varying answers about ideal size (6-8). Most doctors and sources cite 5" as average but I think that's baloney. It should be 6"x5". It sort of makes sense that most prefer 7" in surveys because of this depth variation, but who knows. 7" penises usually are going to be 5.5" around (big enough to use magnums, mind you) and there tends to be notion about thickness too that is coorelated with length so it goes hand in hand. My two cents.

There has been a good amount of information in this thread and in the end there is really only one person that could ever benefit even if you had the opportunity to increase your penis size (barring the extremes) and that is your own self. I say that because of that little devil known as the ego which we seem to want to use as confidence. In short. "It matters but it doesn't as well". It matters statistically but a woman would have to find a man whom is BOTH a good lover and endowed to match her needs. That, my friends, is rare. (and is why we end up arguing)

 

[B_superlarge]

Very many women say they've encountered a big one. So either the vast majority are mistaken or lying?

Or could it be that you are mistaken?

Let's take the the 90% you presented as evidence that average is about all they meet. Let's say 5% of the 10% left over are above average. We now need to double that percentage to 10% because sizesurvey.com ran a poll of 3100 guys and it shows guys above average in penis size get around twice as often (in general). So that puts it at 10%. Plus, lets not forget that a woman can run into extra girth or extra length or both. So since girth and length must both be taken into consideration as separate categories, then that means 10% must be doubled to 20%. For afterall, average guys aren't just concerned about whether she has met long dicks, as thick ones are part of the concern also. Now, let's say she has sex with just 5 different guys. That means her chances are strong that she has met a long one, or a thick one, and about 50-50 that she has met both. If she has sex with 10 different guys then the chances of having run into both a long one and a thick one are very high.

I gather sizesurvey was called unscientific because of my quoted post above. Sizesurvey may not be scientific, but it is better than nothing to go on, and I do think a bigger dick tends to be a positive factor towards confidence. It's an overall correlation. It helps explain how so many women meet bigger than average.

Of course one can simply reject the survey and my calculations along with rejecting the vast majority of women who state having met a guy(s) with a bigger than average dick size. For afterall, their claims aren't scientific either. How many science backed posts are actually made around here. Including unscientific "well said" posts, as the lack of science backing suddenly isn't required when agreement is in place.

 

[deleted15807]

Sizesurvey may not be scientific, but it is better than nothing to go on,

Go to a library and look up 'female sexuality'. You will find tons of books and most likely no where in them will you find women who put size as their #1 or even #2 concern unless of course it was written by Janet Jackson.

Their is not doubt that some women place size in high regard just as some men place breast size in high regard. Is it normal? Is it required for sexual pleasure?

Though I'm willing to be wrong and I could be however I seriously doubt it. The web unless it's from a reputable site that does research into human sexuality is NOT a good reference. Why not start here The Kinsey Institute - Home?

 

[B_superlarge]

Go to a library and look up 'female sexuality'. You will find tons of books and most likely no where in them will you find women who put size as their #1 or even #2 concern unless of course it was written by Janet Jackson.

Their is not doubt that some women place size in high regard just as some men place breast size in high regard. Is it normal? Is it required for sexual pleasure?

Though I'm willing to be wrong and I could be however I seriously doubt it. The web unless it's from a reputable site that does research into human sexuality is NOT a good reference. Why not start here The Kinsey Institute - Home?

I'm talking about the poll of sizesurvey's that, overall in general, shows penis size and number of hookups correlated. In response to posts that women seldom meet above average. It was a part of the calculations. I haven't spoke of sizesurvey pertaining to how much importance women put on a penis. I don't think it even has a poll for that. Are you getting it mixed up with penissizedebate or something?

You keep bringing up Janet Jackson along with sizesurvey comments . I haven't said she is representative of women. I even said she especially isn't in one of my posts after someone used her as an example. Are you getting me mixed up with that poster.
She's a size queen and size queens only represent a small percentage of women. Once again it seems you may have penissizedebate material in mind. I know size is only important to size queens. My quoted post was a calculation in response to it being said how unusual it is for women to meet anything but average range. Sizesurvey referenced pertained to that, nothing else. I said what I was using sizesurvey for.

 

[AlteredEgo]

It's amazing how significant the mating game is to human life and we have such poor metrics on understanding just how it works. Like I say all the time Sexology is in the Dark Ages. I guarantee you this kind of stuff can be measured by number and studied to give different people pointers on how to approach people mating wise instead of the wing-it way we like to employ so much.

John Lucas

Sega showed me that the PUA communities do not wing it. They have a full understanding of how these things work and present great information to men. There is no equivalent for women. Fortunately the same things that work on women work on men as well.

Some of the points you make above carry through into a relationship if I do date men who have those kinds of reservations. If they can get past their insecurities long enough to pursue me, I find that often they can't stay past those insecurities. For example, all the short men I've dated have punnished me for being taller than they. Some partners who've been average and smaller hung have a difficult time believing my orgasms are real, opening up to me about their fantasies, and have expressed worry about other partners. In the end, I have to be more delicate with them and often don't endd up feeling quite like myself.

 

[AlteredEgo]

... But the statistical fact is that most women, unless they are unusually promiscuous, are unlikely to have much if any experience with men outside the average range. How can one expect them to express a preference for something with which they have no direct experience? If they shrug and don't comprehend what all the fuss is about, does that make them liars? How very unfair.

...Clearly this is a highly individual and subjective thing. So how about just taking a woman's word for it when she says that she does, or does not, care about penis size? Why does her answer have to be right or wrong?

I have not been unusually promiscuous I don't think. I've had plenty of partners, sure, but far fewer than some of my friends, particularly the ones who went away for college. Smaller hung guys do not approach me much. Most of my experience has been with guys in the 6-7" range, which is above average by roughly 1-2". A significant portion of my experience has been with men 8-10".

Studies put average at about 70%, adding +/- 1" brings the statistics over 90%. I have never seeen that 90% of men fall into the average range. And when we're talking about something that on average is roughly 5" or so, each inch is significant. An inch is nearly 20% of an average one. A penis 6.5" in length is OVER 20% longer! I don't think it unreasonable that many more women than you suggest have encountered larger penises. Go to any community of smaller hung men on the net and you'll hear that they don't get laid, and if you scratch the surface it's because they are to afraid of rejection to risk it. Guys in the 6-7" range on the other hand think of themseelves as average and really do get out there, though.

I agree with everything else you said.

 

[shaguar]

I agree with AE's comments in the above post. I don't think the average is only 5" unless you're talking about the Chinese/Orientals or Indians. Nonetheless, 1" makes a huge difference even if average is 6", and it is very noticeable visually (and probably vaginally).

 

[B_superlarge]

Ever heard a woman say that size doesn't matter and then as proof she offers up that she would rather be with an average one that knows how to use it than be with a big one that doesn't. It might not be those exact words. It can be some version of it, such as saying good looks plus average dick is better than not good looking plus big dick.

Women who say size doesn't matter and then give such examples for some reason think they are giving proof that size doesn't matter to them. When I read or hear such sentences I see/hear a lie, or perhaps it's often just plain ole in denial in some cases. If they 100% thought bigger isn't better then they would not give uneven examples that give the smaller guy some sort of advantage.

Not only are the examples not balanced, notice they never ever dare throw the bigger guy the advantage. An example such as her saying she would rather be with 'average and doesn't know how to use it' than 'big and knows how to use it'. That is never offered up as proof. Never. What is always the case in such examples is the woman gives the smaller dick guy some sort of advantage to go along with his size. Why did she do that. If his penis size is truly equal in her eyes then she would not feel compelled to throw him some sort of advantage to go along with his size.

In case that somehow isn't perfectly clear. What if when a guy is asked if bigger breasts are better to him, and he were to say "Bigger breasts are not better to me. I would rather be with a woman that has average breasts and a great personality than a woman who has large breasts and a terrible personalty".

Would not that smell like less than a totally honest answer. Why did he add the personality part, and why was the advantage of a better personality given to the woman with the smaller breasts.

I think there are some women who prefer average, but the ones who feel the need to give such uneven examples give away that it's not them. Not 100% honesty (or perhaps they think they are being 100% honest, but are in denial). "Size doesn't matter to me", or "Average is just as good" or "Average is better" is said, yet read their followup examples and the 100% unvarnished truth is unwittingly revealed.

Concerning my OP thread topic, in which I pointed out that women of the 'size doesn't matter' camp make contradictory statements (I'm not saying it is important to them, but pointing out that their examples appear to indicate they don't really view it as equal despite their claim), this article states that many women themselves don't believe women making 'size doesn't matter' statements.
Psychology Today: Men's bodies--the survey