Sleep.

[950483]

I'm definitely not a morning person. If I don't get enough sleep I can fell like a zombie all day, until about 9pm, and then I am full of energy. I've always been like that. Many years of inadequate sleep, and broken sleep, have messed me up a bit I think. Recently I've been working shifts, and managing to just power through on several nights of only 4 hrs sleep. I did relearn how to get to sleep a few years ago, involving some made-up self hypnosis and other stuff, but recently the problems are returning. My partner snores like a bastard . I'm getting to the point where I feel stressed and irritated about it before I even get into bed. Does anyone have any snoring solutions which don't involve murder? At this point I'm worried that we'll just have to sleep in separate rooms, in which case I might as well get married to someone else who can afford me, and just see him on Thursdays or something.

 

[Itsmeandyou]

Though I am not particularly a fan of Michael Jackson and his enormous talents, the one thing that was always elusive to him was SLEEP. Unfortunately I believe that his quest for that elusive sleep was what ultimately killed him. What was in? Fentanol?

 

[185248]

I'm definitely not a morning person. If I don't get enough sleep I can fell like a zombie all day, until about 9pm, and then I am full of energy. I've always been like that. Many years of inadequate sleep, and broken sleep, have messed me up a bit I think. Recently I've been working shifts, and managing to just power through on several nights of only 4 hrs sleep. I did relearn how to get to sleep a few years ago, involving some made-up self hypnosis and other stuff, but recently the problems are returning. My partner snores like a bastard . I'm getting to the point where I feel stressed and irritated about it before I even get into bed. Does anyone have any snoring solutions which don't involve murder? At this point I'm worried that we'll just have to sleep in separate rooms, in which case I might as well get married to someone else who can afford me, and just see him on Thursdays or something.

Yup, partners who snore like a bastard. Kinda makes suffocation with a pillow worth the crime and the time

Yes Judge, my partner snored like a freight train. Heard at 30 paces. I felt so sorry for them, their gasping, their need for air....It became to much to bare......so...I ended their life.

You and I just have to hope we don't get a cell mate that snores like a bastard

It was a love crime...............

 

[185248]

Though I am not particularly a fan of Michael Jackson and his enormous talents, the one thing that was always elusive to him was SLEEP. Unfortunately I believe that his quest for that elusive sleep was what ultimately killed him. What was in? Fentanol?

I think what kept him awake was the fear of his plastic nose disconnecting from his face. Hence the masks.

I love Michael, but he became a prisoner of his own doing.

 

[185248]

Yup, partners who snore like a bastard. Kinda makes suffocation with a pillow worth the crime and the time

Yes Judge, my partner snored like a freight train. Heard at 30 paces. I felt so sorry for them, their gasping, their need for air....It became to much to bare......so...I ended their life.

You and I just have to hope we don't get a cell mate that snores like a bastard

It was a love crime...............

Never been in a prison, but am imagining echoing snoring off of concrete walls................HELL.

 

[halcyondays]

I think what kept him awake was the fear of his plastic nose disconnecting from his face. Hence the masks.

I love Michael, but he became a prisoner of his own doing.

Michael Jackson had lupus. The horrific chronic pain robbed him of sleep for years and drove his need for pills. He ordered his doctor to medicate him to sleep at any cost as he rehearsed for his next big tour and it cost him his life. His doctor--Conrad Murray--should have refused and advised him that his touring career was over. Murray had absolutely no excuse to inject propofol outside a hospital OR and was convicted of manslaughter.

I was not a fan, but I have known several people with lupus and have nothing but sympathy for Michael's plight.

 

[185248]

Michael Jackson had lupus. The horrific chronic pain robbed him of sleep for years and drove his need for pills. He ordered his doctor to medicate him to sleep at any cost as he rehearsed for his next big tour and it cost him his life. His doctor--Conrad Murray--should have refused and advised him that his touring career was over. Murray had absolutely no excuse to inject propofol outside a hospital OR and was convicted of manslaughter.

I was not a fan, but I have known several people with lupus and have nothing but sympathy for Michael's plight.

Michael also compounded his problems from his addictions to fame and popularity. At any time he could have called it a day. He could have lived from investment and royalties alone.

If he was aware of his problems, then he should have sort other avenues of addressing them other than popping pills.

At the end of the day, everyone has control of their life, unless they hand it over to another.

I don't believe for one moment it is one persons fault, ultimately, it is the bearer of their own life's fault and their weakness to survive. I don't believe for one moment if a person wishes to take their own life to throw guilt upon the living.

The living have enough to deal with their own decisions, than to be caught up with the guilt or decisions of others. To me, this makes a format for a deranged society.

Yes, by all means help those who wish to be helped, but never thrust on society guilt of others which breeds more instability.

 

[halcyondays]

Michael also compounded his problems from his addictions to fame and popularity. At any time he could have called it a day.

Given the power of Jackson's fame and wealth I think if Murray had not medicated him to death some other doctor would have or Michael would have on his own.

That's the thing: addicts can't just stop. It takes professional help to get into recovery, itself no guarantee of falling off the wagon again, and the patient has to want it strongly enough to seek that help.

How many have we lost? I can't help thinking of sweet little Karen Carpenter starving herself to death. No drugs were involved but she was every bit the addict.

 

[185248]

Given the power of Jackson's fame and wealth I think if Murray had not medicated him to death some other doctor would have or Michael would have on his own.

That's the thing: addicts can't just stop. It takes professional help to get into recovery, itself no guarantee of falling off the wagon again, and the patient has to want it strongly enough to seek that help.

How many have we lost? I can't help thinking of sweet little Karen Carpenter starving herself to death. No drugs were involved but she was every bit the addict.

Yourself being in the pharmaceutical industry. Would it not come up on record that over prescribed medication was being supplied?

Yup, sweet Karen, Anorexia is a psychological disorder. My sister in law, a nurse passed away at 25 from this illness. Her mum took her dinner down to her after she was discharged from hospital....only to find her the next mid morning dead with the dinner her mum had left her the night before on her lap.

No, guilt belongs to those who chose to take their own life. All those who wish to live can do is offer a better future, support and love. Anything outside of that is up to the patient and or sufferer.

 

[halcyondays]

Would it not come up on record that over prescribed medication was being supplied?

Not in Murray's case. Doctors in private practice routinely stock a wide variety of medications.

The massive, unregulated over-supply of prescription opioids like oxycontin to pharmacies here in the US over the last two decades is finally making headlines here as we struggle with an opioid epidemic that's killing 60,000+ a year or 170+ a day.

 

[halcyondays]

My sister in law, a nurse passed away at 25 from this illness. Her mum took her dinner down to her after she was discharged from hospital....only to find her the next mid morning dead with the dinner her mum had left her the night before on her lap.

I am sorry for your loss of your sister in law.

 

[185248]

Not in Murray's case. Doctors in private practice routinely stock a wide variety of medications.

The massive, unregulated over-supply of prescription opioids like oxycontin to pharmacies here in the US over the last two decades is finally making headlines here as we struggle with an opioid epidemic that's killing 60,000+ a year or 170+ a day.

Still, the underlying symptom is personal strength. You can spend a millenia propping up individuals, as soon as you leave them, they either seek other avenues or means.

Do you really think Michael, if this doctor had of said no, would have stopped?

 

[halcyondays]

Still, the underlying symptom is personal strength. You can spend a millenia propping up individuals, as soon as you leave them, they either seek other avenues or means.

Do you really think Michael, if this doctor had of said no, would have stopped?

I have to disagree that the issue is personal strength. Addiction is an illness, not a weakness.

I have no idea if Michael would have stopped, but he would not have died that night.

 

[185248]

I have to disagree that the issue is personal strength. Addiction is an illness, not a weakness.

I have no idea if Michael would have stopped, but he would not have died that night.

As I have said, you can support a weakness forever, with the glimmer of hope it becomes a strength. It is an illness, I agree....but not one which a guilt of failing should be cast upon those whom have tried desperately to heal.

They suffer enough from loss of a loved one, not having a guilt thrust upon them from others for not doing enough. They already feel this. it's heartbreaking enough to watch parents deal with guilt till the day they die wishing they could have done more.

Michael would not have stopped. His joy was performing and being to his fans immortal. Like so many other celebs.

His curse is he did not wish to age. And from this, his wishes, involved people that probably told him immortality is not possible.

Unless you be a god or some supernatural beast. Thing...,,,besides, it's an infection which involved a number of his siblings. Perhaps his death, saved them from the same fate.

 

[Itsmeandyou]

Perhaps Michael Jackson’s real joy was not from the performances themselves but the immense amounts of money it provided him. I would say it it is safe to say that it is not fun getting old.

 

[Tight_N_Juicy]

Uh.. anyway..

What about naps? I have a love hate thing going.. I take involuntarily naps some days. After work, I come home, sit down, and simply can't Not sleep for about 45 minutes. I hate it, but need it so bad.

Then I can't fall asleep when it's time to get to it. That wasn't the case when I started this conversation, but it does happen.

I think it has something to do with my hormone imbalance.. thinking about talking to an endocrinologist about it if I can.

 

[Itsmeandyou]

Before taking my Ambien about 7 years ago, I’d need a nap so that I can take a nap later on. Now with the miracles of drugs, no nap required. I saw an Endocronologist. She was about 98 pounds on a really good day. She said I was obse (200 lb), said to stop eating bread, pasta, pizza,etc. I’m Italian..... like that’s going to happen.

 

[MisterB]

I'm definitely not a morning person. If I don't get enough sleep I can fell like a zombie all day, until about 9pm, and then I am full of energy. I've always been like that. Many years of inadequate sleep, and broken sleep, have messed me up a bit I think. Recently I've been working shifts, and managing to just power through on several nights of only 4 hrs sleep. I did relearn how to get to sleep a few years ago, involving some made-up self hypnosis and other stuff, but recently the problems are returning. My partner snores like a bastard . I'm getting to the point where I feel stressed and irritated about it before I even get into bed. Does anyone have any snoring solutions which don't involve murder? At this point I'm worried that we'll just have to sleep in separate rooms, in which case I might as well get married to someone else who can afford me, and just see him on Thursdays or something.

Hey Swoon--My husband snores, verrrry loudly. Of course, he denies it, lol. He's also a night owl, and likes to prowl the house when he can't sleep.

We now have separate bedrooms. But here's the catch--come bedtime, we start out together. When he gets sleepy, he moves to his room. If he can't sleep, he can watch TV, get on the computer, whatever, without disturbing and waking me.

This solution may not be acceptable to everyone, but it sure works great for us.

I wish you luck Swoon.

 

[185248]

Uh.. anyway..

What about naps? I have a love hate thing going.. I take involuntarily naps some days. After work, I come home, sit down, and simply can't Not sleep for about 45 minutes. I hate it, but need it so bad.

Then I can't fall asleep when it's time to get to it. That wasn't the case when I started this conversation, but it does happen.

I think it has something to do with my hormone imbalance.. thinking about talking to an endocrinologist about it if I can.

Well, you started it..you know how these things go.....

 

[693987]

I'm definitely not a morning person. If I don't get enough sleep I can fell like a zombie all day, until about 9pm, and then I am full of energy. I've always been like that. Many years of inadequate sleep, and broken sleep, have messed me up a bit I think. Recently I've been working shifts, and managing to just power through on several nights of only 4 hrs sleep. I did relearn how to get to sleep a few years ago, involving some made-up self hypnosis and other stuff, but recently the problems are returning. My partner snores like a bastard . I'm getting to the point where I feel stressed and irritated about it before I even get into bed. Does anyone have any snoring solutions which don't involve murder? At this point I'm worried that we'll just have to sleep in separate rooms, in which case I might as well get married to someone else who can afford me, and just see him on Thursdays or something.

My sweetie and I both snore. He can sleep through it no issue. I cannot. What does help some for us is if I fall asleep before him. I resort to ear plugs sometimes, but my right ear canal seems to be shaped oddly, so repeated use of ear plugs end up making it ache. Sometimes I wake him to get him to roll onto his side, which makes it less loud.

I've noticed that he seems to snore less loudly if he generally has been sleeping enough. If shorter on sleep/exhausted he snores more loudly. Unfortunately, some nights one of us will end up getting up and sleeping in the living room, because I can't sleep with his snoring that night. I intensely dislike when we don't get to sleep next to each other, but we do what we need to and it's mostly working so far.

As far as the original topic, Rem had a really major job interview yesterday morning so we both slept like crap due to nerves. We ended up going to bed at 10pm last night, which is probably the earliest we've ever gone to bed in years of being together. My phase of fucking weird, super vivid, and sometimes nightmares continued. Fucking nightmare where I got sexually assaulted and was trying to keep Rem from murdering their ass.