"Sluts" and "Whores"

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  1. B_Mademoiselle Rouge

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    I've noticed this disrespect that porn is renowned for is spilling over into the amateur community. I've never liked the slut and whore titles and dialogue but it bothers me that a man would refer to his wife as such.

    I've talked porn with many different males, any that find this kind of talk in porn to be repulsive, also notices the general misogynistic nature of professional porn. He tends to not enjoy watching a woman be seen as a mere "cum dumpster" and has no desire to mimic that sort of behavior in the bedroom.

    The males whom i've talked to who do find nothing wrong with it tend to have some pretty messed up relationships with the females around them. Most of the guys i've seen brag on these sort of things or talk about these things as their ultimate fantasy, tend to repel women from them because they treat them in a condescending way.

    I cringe when i see a guy talk about his fantasies about humiliating a woman in front of his peers. Maybe my own sexually abusive past makes me so sensitive to the sexual disrespect i'm seeing as mainstream and among amateurs.

    Vintage porn didn't show as much of the following:

    • Slapping a womans face with his cock
    • Requiring oral sex from her with no reciprocation
    • Mass numbers of males cumming on her face
    • Ass to mouth
    • No lubrication prior to intercourse (even anal sex)
    • A blantant disreguard for her pussy such as slapping it, slapping her tits (which is not generally pleasurable)
    • Spitting on her face
    • Forced face fucking
    • Gagging her
    • Calling her names
    • Unrealistic views on the female body to the point where its sexier to be too skinny than to have 5 extra pounds on your ass
    • Digustingly large rippling implants
    • Faking is more popular because women have to fake being turned on when they are being spat on, throat fucked and called a slut at the same time
    • Insane insertions to further push the pussy/ass to the limit and/or humiliate her
    • Pubic hair has to be non-existent or shaped in a way that is difficult to maintain in order to do away with anything naturally pleasing about the female genitalia.
    With the advent of internet porn and access to unlimited amounts of it for free there is going to be a new culture/generation of males who are not going to know how sex is a delicate dance between the male and female. Not a one way, give it to me, I'll do with you how i please, act that is solely about your cock and balls.

    I was very fortunate to be paired with males who were respectful to me during sex and most of the time in every day life. I married a man who would cut off his balls before he'd call me a whore in the bedroom. Maybe there are a few of you who like this or are married to women who like this, but i have a feeling most women would refuse to be compared to a whore or a slut but rather more pleasing descriptions if we are hungry for your body in the bedroom.

    I feel there is more psychological damage done to males and females who find this sort of trend to be acceptable. This is in no way talking about submission and domination agreements between people who participate in that and get turned on by humiliation. Those are a special breed who are ignited by it. I am talking about mainstream everyday pornography found on xtube, redtube, youporn, etc.

    I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on it, male and female.
     
  2. Principessa

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    BRAVA! Your post was very well written. I agree with you 110%. Unfortunately, the men who need to read and comprehend the content of this thread probably can't read. :redface: I bet the only thing they frequent is the adult websites forum. :tongue:
     
  3. B_Mademoiselle Rouge

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    I forgot to add....call me whore and i'll bite your balls off. Only fair. :biggrin1:
     
  4. B_Mademoiselle Rouge

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    I stay away from that board. A bunch of cheapskate free porn freaks with unrealistic expectations. The only good video posts are the ones from the gay guys.
     
  5. Ethyl

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    One thing i've noticed is when you type in "threesome" on one of these sites, the title is more offensive if it's an mfm or mmf. "Big tit milf slut gets double fucked" or something to that effect. Now if it's a guy and two girls, it's "lesbian dream", "lovely blondes sharing cock" or something more complimentary.
     
  6. vince

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    I wouldn't go so far as to agree 110%, but you are correct that most porn these days is caveman in nature. I don't agree that there are only a few of us who would never call our wives (or anyone else) a whore in the bedroom. I think that the vast majority of men would never do that.

    I suppose there are many reasons why this type of fantasy porn is out there. Many men feel powerless and are insecure about not only their sexuality but also their place in society. Projecting yourself into the role of the hungry stud who has unlimited appeal and power over women, probably compensates for how lonely and small our lives are. Maybe that is why it sells. Most of the guys I know in real life, think that this type of porn is boring. I don't even get a boner from watching it.

    But porn is an industry and if there wasn't a market for product that degrades women, then I guess they wouldn't make it. I agree with you Red, there must be a lot of damage done to the psychology of people watching this so-called sex on the internet. Especially young males, who are inexperienced with girls and may be growing up in abusive environments. It must be feeding (or may be relieving?) the anger of many men.
     
  7. Mr. Snakey

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    I find most porn today to be very degrading to men and women. Its fake cold and plastic and void of passion.
     
  8. LeeEJ

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    That's why I'm tired and annoyed by porn, and I find myself going to my teenage standbys of cheesecake and simply naked women.

    Hell, I spend more time perusing online bikini shops than anything else.

    You mentioned "ass to mouth", though -- made me think of this scene:
    YouTube - Ass To Mouth

    :D
     
  9. LeeEJ

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    I don't even think it's that deep, really.

    I think that most of the traffic is from guys who are surfing with their friends to say, "C'mere, you gotta see this shit!"

    It's like digging up some moldy food and going, "Dude, this STINKS! You gotta smell it!"
     
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    Gotta say I agree.

    Porn has gotten to be far more misogynistic than ever before... to the point of being a real turn off for those of us who can not bear seeing a woman treated badly.


    In a large sense I think this trend reflects a general male anger and feeling of powerlessness in their relationships with females.

    ( no- that is not a qualitative judgement against women... just an observation of the general male zeitgeist- men in this culture are feeling more and more marginalized by the women in their lives- and by the women they can not even get into their lives)

    Since pornography, both male and female, reflect fantasies about desires each are probably NOT gonna be able to get in real life... male oriented porn is becoming more of a revenge fantasy than about finding a super horny woman.
    Sex as a means of getting even....

    Again... please understand that it is not PORN that is having this effect on our young men... the porn producers are simply producing more of what our young men are buying.

    Ergo--- it is not a cause of disrespect for women... its popularity is rather a symptom of an already existing disrespect for women.

    Its intolerable...

    Unfortunately... women demanding that men not indulge in such things is only going to exacerbate the problem... as this is partly a result of women already trying to exert too much control over male behavior.

    I get the feeling that some of the women here imagine that I am angry at women because of feminist agendas becoming ingrained in our culture.

    I hope you can understand that I was an early proponent of the ERA and supporter of feminism.

    My primary issue is that the culture became TOO feminized... too condemning of everything masculine.... it went too far.
    ... again... I am not upset because it made it suck to be a man... but because I can actually see it doing serious damage to the ability of men and women to love and respect one another.

    I am upset over how difficult it has become for men and women to simply treat each other with respect over the long term.
    And I am trying to understand why.

    Just as women were rightfully angry over their treatment in society ( not men's fault... but the way society evolved) Men are now rightfully angry over how they are treated.... ( again, not women's fault... but just how society has evolved)

    And, as I have long feared... many Men are reacting to what feels inequitable by blaming women over it.

    I think feminism, as an ideology, failed when it elected to blame men for the way things were.

    And I am afraid that men are making the exact same mistake, now.

    But as can be seen here... it is hard for any of us to examine our own behavior dispassionately... to try and understand how much of how we react to the world was programmed into us.... and hard for us to accept that our actions and beliefs may be harmful to others.


    I know I will be castigated for this perspective...
    But gals... that offensive image of a man slapping a woman across the face with his dick? Of him forcibly gagging her?

    I am telling you that the young men I talk to feel that they have been treated the same way by the feminized society they grew up in. They simply are not articulate enough to express it.


    I would rather the men in this culture not make the same mistake... not perpetuate another cycle of anger and rage between the sexes.

    But, at this point, I am not sure how we can stop it....
     
  11. B_Mademoiselle Rouge

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    When i was searching out places for fetish modeling. This page explains why i chose toxicgoddess.com they just dont treat us like meat. We are chosen because we arent barely legal, we don't have perfect bodies, we also have something to offer the company more than our looks. We are invited to the meetings to give our input. We have a choice in things and they subscribe to the "less is more" theme.

    Men might want to see the whole kit and kaboodle on a woman, but there is something refreshing to leaving a little to the imagination. I have no doubt thats why Playboy has been so successful. Same with Cindy Margolis.

    There is no shortage of women willing to do whatever it takes to get money and fame in the porn industry. I'm completely ok if no one knows who i am on the street, I wont be a sell out and have myself gagged into crying on cam because i need some money to pay tuition.

    I'd be a prostitute before i'd sell myself to the porn industry. I'd make better money and get more respect. (I'm being half serious)
     
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    Ya know, that's a really good point.

    I lurked on a local swingers' club email list for a while, just curious about the scene, and took myself back off because of how single males were marginalized out of existence among that group. I even got the impression that attached males at the club needed to cling to their women or else they might get kicked out for appearing "single".
     
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    I hate all those points you brought up, especially the forced face fucking. That's sick to see a guy force some chick's head into his cock, holding her there with his hand as he thrusts, almost to the point of her puking from being choked so much by it.

    It's highly disrespectful and disgusting.:mad:
     
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    Yeah, have to agree that modern porn is far too macho and abusive towards women. Some of the best porn i ever saw was in the eighteies. in fact it could be the only thing from the eighties that was worth while. There just seemed to be more passion and chemistry between the performers. When was the last time you saw a women get well and truely eaten out by a guy in porn? As any guy should know, make the lady happy and the she will retunr the favour.
     
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    I do phone sex, and the majority of my callers get off on calling me a slut and a whore. I sincerely hope with them it's just fantasy, and they aren't like that in real life, but some of them really make me wonder.
     
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    I never thought of it in terms of a humiliation theme, but I have recognized that professional porn doesn't do anything for me these days. I'd MUCH rather watch amateur stuff now that there's such an abundance of it available. I get a lot more out of watching two people enjoying themselves than some scripted, emotionless (and yes, often one-sided) fakery. It's kinda odd, actually. Not long ago, the women in porn were the stars and the men were seen as the "stunt dicks." Now it's the women who have become all but interchangeable because the focus has shifted to what the men are doing to them.

    Anybody who thinks a woman being used is hot has no idea what loving enthusiasm can add to the equation. Even looking at an established porn star like Tera Patrick, there's no comparing her earlier "acting" with the more recent stuff she's done with her real-life husband.
     
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    Extremely well written post that really put into words what I was thinking about when I read this thread. Despite all the chest puffing that goes on with young males, it's really the females that control the behavior. I've seen the most alpha guys around reduced to submissive little puppies by their girlfriends, fucking sad to watch. It's really no wonder that these males are buying revenge fantasy porn, when in reality they have no control.
     
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    I guess i treat my husband with enough respect to get the respect back. I never thought of it as a way of "getting back at the woman" for feeling immasculated and inferior.

    I have a lot more to think about on this issue, from a completely different perspective now. I guess my mom did raise me right to not see myself as superior to a man, vice versa. I have a more traditional relationship with my husband in many ways and in some ways i am a modern woman who works and contributes in non-traditional ways.

    When i started making amateur vids, i had an idea to buy a dot com name to compile them on called simplyadorehim.com. Because i do simply adore him. I am the sexual aggressor, more of an exhibitionist, but when i see the way he touches my breasts and kisses me on cam, i absolutely melt. He is very tender and aggressive at the same time. I turn into a kitten in the bedroom because i adore seeing his sexual prowess uninhibited.

    I get pissed off at the pedulum swinging in the other direction now that we can vote, have abortions and use birth control. Neither gender should feel like absolute shit in the presence of the other.
     
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    I agree with most of what's said here re porn. I happen to like "classical" porn, without whore, slut, bitch, face-cumming, etc.
    BUT: don't you think the general attitude is spilling over from hard-core rap, with " Bitch, whore, " and the so-called big boyz ina hood attitude?
    Maybe it is habituating younger people, and current porn is a reflection of how society is right now? And rap in it's turn is reflecting that? One messy circle.
     
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    the women in today's porn arent that attractive. they look like 14 year old girls that havent eaten in weeks. to make it worse, if you pay attention to some scenes, they do things that cant be arousing or comfortable and still try to make it look that way. i mean seriously, how can you enjoy a cock in the ass. worse, takin outta you ass and putting it in YOUR MOUTH. and how can a man do that to a woman?
     
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