Small penis drives Asian teenager to suicide

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This may be a "straw that broke the camel's back" situation. I think that when a person is depressed, it can be one thing (that may or may not be otherwise insignificant) that can push them over the edge.

At the same time, I think we can't just write off the fact that he felt his penis was too small as a minor detail in this story. Body image issues are a big deal for men now. Look at how many references to size there are in the media. I'm sort of hoping BronxBombShell posts here; she might have some insights to add, having worked in the audio industry and from her experiences at measurection...
 

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Most of you won't remember some of the horrific discussions we got into here a couple years ago about small penis issues. Apparently, there isn't a lot of "support" on the sites that purport to be support groups for men who are less than average in size, and for whatever their reasons, they sometimes end up coming here. I saw very clearly how psychologically damaging this type of self-image can be, and it really has very little to do with actual size. For someone with this particular type of body dysmorphia, knowing the numbers and averages does nothing to change thier internal perceptions. Very much like an anorexic knowing she weights 98 pounds won't make her quit starving herself, or himself.

I get most angry at the MISinformation spread across the internet about dick size, and have posted Kinsey's size chart several times. People won't read it. They still insist that every dick on earth is 8x6 (haha!), even though I've probably only seen about four cocks with a 6" girth, and that's out of over 2000! An 8" cock is an extreme rarity, a good example of which can be seen here:

http://www.lpsg.org/members/cork8x6.html

Still, every guy on here claims to be exactly that same size, so what gives?
The few guys who are honest don't really understand how many people are lying, so they think their 6" dick really IS inadequate. Fear of not being desireable often leads to erectile problems or premature ejaculation. When they DO get with a partner, their obsession with their own body image is uncomfortable (if not replusive) for a partner, so they will often be abandoned. Of course, they'll read this as being abandoned for their small dick, and hate themselves even more.

Education has to be the way out. Instead of shoving body image issues under the rug, we need to talk about them, and frequently. This is a public forum, and no doubt the people who bring things up here do so for the masses of lurkers we have who will never speak up for themselves. Rest assured, we have plenty of men reading right now who have contemplated this very same thing, for very similar reasons.

I've said it a million times, but it bears repeating- size competition is a MALE issue- women generally care very little about it. Women care about your personality, your money, how you treat us, and if you are an ATTENTIVE lover. Check out the membership numbers here- extremely few women compared to men.

I wish all men had good fathers who would talk to them about their body and imaging issues, but such is not the case. Boys with issues too often just grow up into men with issues, then have children and pass them along. This is one load women are spared. We know men like larger breasts, but there are very few women suicidally depressed over their boob size. With us, it's more likely to be an overall body image maladjustment.
 

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rhino_horn said:
im sorry, but knowing what u know u shud respect the FACT that i have no frame of reference...i cant get as emotional as u.

*do u like cows? i chopped a baby cow's head off once with a gandasa....:wink:

I am not emotional about it, just respectful of it. When I don't have a frame of reference, I seek one out.

Tallguys--thanks for adding a person take.
 

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rhino_horn said:
im sorry, but knowing what u know u shud respect the FACT that i have no frame of reference...i cant get as emotional as u.

*do u like cows? i chopped a baby cow's head off once with a gandasa....:wink:

Spelling, punctuation and capitalisation are your friends, it will make you easier to understand if you use them. Not all our members speak English as a first language or understand Americanised chat slang. In other words, if you don't write like a moron, people might not take you for one.
 

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I'll go out on a limb here, and talk about my own depression. I suffer from clinical depression, and it's quite severe. Most of the time, I'm fine, but when there is a significant change in my brain chemistry, and my medication needs to be re-adjusted, I usually have an episode.

When it hits, there is no logic, there is no help, there is no light. At those times I do not care about what my family and friends would think, because I wouldn't be around to see the after-effects. At the worst, everything positive anyone had ever said to me feels like it was a lie used to get something from me, and my friends seemed to only be my friends because they have nothing better to do. The worst thing anyone can possibly say is anything along the line of "Quit being such a baby and cheer up". At the bottom of that gulf there is no hope. Triggers can be absolutely anything, from having a bill become past due, to someone cutting you off in traffic days ago.

I will find myself constantly and obsessively covering the same ground, by reliving every failure and fault in my past. The times that I have tried suicide, the last straw was frequently unrelated to anything that had occurred recently. I have experienced blackouts, uncontrolled violent rage, and extreme personality changes. Depending on how quickly my sense of self plummets, I may or may not have time to seek help, before the inevitable total collapse happens. The worst part of it is, I know that it will occur again, because it will takes several years more of chemical and behavioral therapy to finally be able to see myself cured.

Continued education is the key. I know from my own experience that the shame I felt for not being "perfect" and the lack of understanding of those around me paralyzed me and kept me from seeking treatment until it was almost too late. A terrific set of counselors and an dedicated psychiatrist have been able to show me the road to recovery, and help me along it.
 

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madame_zora said:
Spelling, punctuation and capitalisation are your friends, it will make you easier to understand if you use them. Not all our members speak English as a first language or understand Americanised chat slang. In other words, if you don't write like a moron, people might not take you for one.
Nice Tits.

lex said:
When I don't have a frame of reference, I seek one out.
i didnt mean to "out" myself. but on the topic of depression/misery..i just dont care enough to know any more than i already do; misery loves company, a miserable person will only make u miserable too.--just my opinion. no offense to u.
 

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rhino_horn said:
misery loves company...
Rhino, misery doesn't love company. Misery needs company. But don't let me inconvenience you with that thought.

rhino_horn said:
a miserable person will only make u miserable too.--just my opinion. no offense to u.
Yes, because after all, its all about you, isn't it? We certainly wouldn't want to ruin our afternoon on someone who is hurting so bad he might kill himself.
 

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Inkubus963 is right. Its like someone wired into your brain a new emotional response system that responds instantly to even the slightest problem with the resounding message that you are a piece of crap. It happens below your consciousness and so fast that it feels totally natural and extremely real.

And naturally, on any given day you have at least 5 or 6 things that are less than optimal in your life. So for a severely depressed person, the consequence of responding so negatively to them is devastating. You want to curl up in a little ball and disappear.

Teenagers are particularly susceptible. If you want to find them, go look for the most successful girl on the high school campus. You know, the one who is getting straight A's, is extremely attractive, is on the cheerleading squad, a sports team, and plays a musical instrument really well, and volunteers a the local hospital and does it all without breaking a sweat. Look inside that girl's head and chances are there is someone who is desparately staving off dehibilitating depression by putting up a wall of perfection. Because any little chink in that wall would signal to her that she is a piece of crap.
 

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jeff black said:
This is just silly.

The kid was obviously depressed, and needed some form of therapy. Why the parents didn't send him to get some help, I dont' understand.

But to blame his suicide on his "small" dick, is just absurd. Where was everyone, (friends and family etc) telling him that having a big dick is great, but a small one is fine too?
I ahve to disagree. I am sure there were other emotional problems, but kids today are taught to excell and body image is so much of a personal's emotional image. There are guys that think that they aren't men because they aren't big enough. They need emotional support and counseling. I suspect that they guy didn't measure up physically in other ways as well.

The guy may have never had a wet dream. He may have never ejaculated. He may have still been a soprano. There is too much we don't know.

But I still believe that someone who is marginal emotionally anyway would let an issue suck as dick size drive them off the edge.
 

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JustAsking said:
Yes, because after all, its all about you, isn't it? We certainly wouldn't want to ruin our afternoon on someone who is hurting so bad he might kill himself.
yes..thats right.

u guys taking shots at me are probably very "in touch" emotionally, i guess ive been numbed in that sense. i dont get this putting up a wall bs, or these emotionally troubled people..and i dont want to. let these whining pricks see some real depression...like, i dunno, being 18 and watching a mother's or father's face when u pull his kids torso out of a pile of rubble, laying it on a slab and going back in to try an find the rest of him. life is cheap dude, u shud get out more..this is jsut too much noise over one ungrateful asshole.
 

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Freddie53 said:
I ahve to disagree. I am sure there were other emotional problems, but kids today are taught to excell and body image is so much of a personal's emotional image. There are guys that think that they aren't men because they aren't big enough. They need emotional support and counseling. I suspect that they guy didn't measure up physically in other ways as well.

The guy may have never had a wet dream. He may have never ejaculated. He may have still been a soprano. There is too much we don't know.

But I still believe that someone who is marginal emotionally anyway would let an issue suck as dick size drive them off the edge.

You bring up an interesting point Freddie. Body image is a BIG deal with today's youth. There is nothing wrong with suspecting anything freddie. What I got from the article, was: A kid who was clearly having body image issues, as a result of depression.
The student, a member of the school volleyball team and described as "cheerful and energetic," jumped from a housing block on March 3.

The youth had confided in his mother in October that he was worried that his private parts were too small.

The kid was a member of a team, described as cheerful and energetic. Clearly hiding something, as we now know. If he is feeling insecure about his dick, someone (mom) should have done something more.

I stick by my original statement. The parents could have and SHOULD have said something. IF the Penis was the "cause" of his suicide, he would have spoken about it more than once, he would have been fixated with it (he spoke with his mom).

His gf would have heard tons of insecure doubts while they were having sex. " Is it big enough, does it feel good" etc. Chances are, people would have suspected enough to do something.
One of the signs of suicidal behaviour, is
A sudden, unexpected switch from being very sad to being very calm or appearing to be happy (http://www.webmd.com/content/article/62/71500?z=1663_51207_31)
* I know many of the others may not apply, but a parent should have picked up on some of them.

Either way Freddie, I am not disagreeing with your opinion, I just don't think there is enough information for "What If's" and "blaming it on his Small dick"
 

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rhino_horn,

Please kill yourself. Your life is without meaning or value. There is almost no chance that you will accomplish anything significant in your life. The best you can hope for is half a century of mediocrity followed by a painless death, and if the cards don't fall your way you might not even get that. So seriously, just do us all a favor and off yourself right now. There are plenty of painless ways to do it - I can help you decide on one if you like. But for the love of God, please refrain from spreading your diseased dumbfuckery like the plague. Every time you communicate, the people around you become stupider.

If you are not in the mood to kill yourself right now, at least just stop posting so that I don't have to read any more of your mindless drivel.

kthx

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rhino_horn said:
yes..thats right.

u guys taking shots at me are probably very "in touch" emotionally, i guess ive been numbed in that sense. i dont get this putting up a wall bs, or these emotionally troubled people..and i dont want to. let these whining pricks see some real depression...like, i dunno, being 18 and watching a mother's or father's face when u pull his kids torso out of a pile of rubble, laying it on a slab and going back in to try an find the rest of him. life is cheap dude, u shud get out more..this is jsut too much noise over one ungrateful asshole.
Rhino,
I get it now. You are thinking that all depression is "situational" depression, where hard times leads to depression. If that were the only kind, I would agree with you. But other kinds of depression are more like afflictions than they are a bad attitude. It's brain chemistry imbalances and other things that are beyond the control of the depressed person, unless he gets help.
 

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BTW, Inkubus, thanks for sharing your story. That took some balls.
 

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// dr. Phil mode on//
The problem with depressions is that when people try to convince people that nothing is wrong with them, they start to believe that they have problems that they don't have.
The only way to convice them is to have them speak the emotions they have instead of the congitions they think up.
People need to re-think about the moment they were convinced that they had the first negative idea. Most of these activating events where at moments that they already had questions about themselfs, they could not answer. Our psyche rests easy when everything is explained plausible. Why did she leave..., Why did i lose my job... Because you don't want to be confronted with such questions for a long time, you answer it with the first thing that comes to mind. And that wrong! Some problems are more complex. I think that this asian chap, just saw one to many porn flicks and had a warped idea on inter-human and sexual relationships
//dr. Phil mode off//
 

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Spladle said:
rhino_horn,

Please kill yourself. Your life is without meaning or value. There is almost no chance that you will accomplish anything significant in your life. The best you can hope for is half a century of mediocrity followed by a painless death, and if the cards don't fall your way you might not even get that. So seriously, just do us all a favor and off yourself right now. There are plenty of painless ways to do it - I can help you decide on one if you like. But for the love of God, please refrain from spreading your diseased dumbfuckery like the plague. Every time you communicate, the people around you become stupider.

If you are not in the mood to kill yourself right now, at least just stop posting so that I don't have to read any more of your mindless drivel.

kthx

Love,
Chase

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WOW, im impressed; what a list of compliments!...jk; im getting the feeling that uve heard this b4?? yes, no, ....maybe?(dont reply)

* u have my pity.
just said:
Rhino,
I get it now. You are thinking that all depression is "situational" depression, where hard times leads to depression. If that were the only kind, I would agree with you. But other kinds of depression are more like afflictions than they are a bad attitude. It's brain chemistry imbalances and other things that are beyond the control of the depressed person, unless he gets help.
i have my limits when it comes to intellectual masturbation, so ill just take ur word for it....:smile:
 

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rhino_horn said:
i have my limits when it comes to intellectual masturbation, so ill just take ur word for it....:smile:

There is nothing "masturbatory" about a defined medical condition. We are not talking about people who are upset here, but who are suffering from clinical depression:

http://dmoz.org/Health/Mental_Health/Disorders/Mood/Depression/

Or perhaps you think that the medical profession wastes millions treating and researching this each year for fun?

For one who has been here such a short time, you have expounded more drivel than most.
 

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dude, i was being absolutely serious.... am i not allowed to voice my own narrow-minded opinion...im just a young man with a sack of stories and what i used to think was a big penis...i wont say anymore as i fear it will be discounted as more "drivel.":redface:..think well of me?
 

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rhino_horn said:
dude, i was being absolutely serious.... am i not allowed to voice my own narrow-minded opinion...?
You're allowed to voice it, and I'm allowed to opine that you're spouting drivel. That's the nature of free speech and public debate. Some people would argue that you might grow as a person from looking at the world with a more open and receptive perspective, but personally, I hope that you'd tell them to piss off while you keep on studying the end of your nose. :smile: