Small penis drives Asian teenager to suicide

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alex8 said:
I hope that you'd tell them to piss off while you keep on studying the end of your nose. :smile:

That could call for a multi-year graduate program, judging by his screen name.
 

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rhino_horn said:
WOW, im impressed; what a list of compliments!...jk; im getting the feeling that uve heard this b4?? yes, no, ....maybe?(dont reply)

* u have my pity.

i have my limits when it comes to intellectual masturbation, so ill just take ur word for it....:smile:
Simply stunning.
 

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Spladle said:
rhino_horn,

Please kill yourself...

If you are not in the mood to kill yourself right now, at least just stop posting so that I don't have to read any more of your mindless drivel.

kthx

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Oh, Chase!
I don't think I've told you how much I love you yet, today. :wink: Personally, I was just hoping for the three holy words in RED below his name, but I like your ideas so much better.:rolleyes:
 

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rhino_horn said:
dude, i was being absolutely serious.... am i not allowed to voice my own narrow-minded opinion...im just a young man with a sack of stories and what i used to think was a big penis...i wont say anymore as i fear it will be discounted as more "drivel.":redface:..think well of me?

You're not going to have much fun here with that stance. If you voice a narrow-minded opinion here, you best be prepared to defend it or at least take the comments on said opinon in stride. This section (ETC) in particular is one where more heavy discussion occurs and the gloves usually come off.

We have a LOT of users who read and never post. We have 20000 members and likelihood of a few of them having personal experiences similar to a chosen topic is high. Please consider that before making such posts in the future. It's called respect.


Back on Topic:

There is also a lighter version of mood disorder, called dystimia--basically a general state of sadness that a person can encounter due to an organic chemical imbalance or other factors. People who are dystimic can become depressed or not--depending upon circumstances.

I was dystimic for years (without knowing why) and coming to terms with my sexual orientation has been extremely helpful in improving my mood overall. Never underestimate the power of medicine and/or therapy.

Everyone's path is different. Marathon, not a sprint.

Finally:
One of the great things about this place is that we often talk about much more than just cock.

I really appreciate all those who have or will share their own personal struggles on a variety of subjects. It is always helpful to see and hear that you are not alone.
 

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rhino_horn said:
yes..thats right.

u guys taking shots at me are probably very "in touch" emotionally, i guess ive been numbed in that sense. i dont get this putting up a wall bs, or these emotionally troubled people..and i dont want to. let these whining pricks see some real depression...like, i dunno, being 18 and watching a mother's or father's face when u pull his kids torso out of a pile of rubble, laying it on a slab and going back in to try an find the rest of him. life is cheap dude, u shud get out more..this is jsut too much noise over one ungrateful asshole.
It's clear to me that you are a complete moron. What you're talking about isn't clinical depression, and this shows your complete lack of understanding of this debilitating DISEASE.
 

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alex8 said:
There is nothing "masturbatory" about a defined medical condition. We are not talking about people who are upset here, but who are suffering from clinical depression:

http://dmoz.org/Health/Mental_Health/Disorders/Mood/Depression/

Or perhaps you think that the medical profession wastes millions treating and researching this each year for fun?

For one who has been here such a short time, you have expounded more drivel than most.

Alex8 I don't trust psychological medicine any more than any other snake oil peddlers be they preachers, salesmen or whatever.

There's a great big book the 'medical profession' uses to diagnose mental illness (I forget its name). In it you will find that just about any behavior imaginable can be considered pathological in some context. These are the people putting boys on ritalin for acting like... boys.

Bunch of goddamn crooks for my two cents. Ok, maybe not all of them but a lot. After all, how much money can they make saying there's nothing wrong with you?
 

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Shelby said:
Alex8 I don't trust psychological medicine any more than any other snake oil peddlers be they preachers, salesmen or whatever.

There's a great big book the 'medical profession' uses to diagnose mental illness (I forget its name). In it you will find that just about any behavior imaginable can be considered pathological in some context. These are the people putting boys on ritalin for acting like... boys.

Bunch of goddamn crooks for my two cents. Ok, maybe not all of them but a lot. After all, how much money can they make saying there's nothing wrong with you?

DSM-IV, and drugs aren't always the answer Shelby... The criteria also looks at ways of solving the problem through different therapies... Meds are merely one posibility.

1) I have ADHD (Ritalin cure). I was never that bad, just hyper. I didn't take the drug because I never felt the need. Drugs aren't for eveyrone.
2) Some of these "boys" who are "being boys", are throwing desks and screaming in the middle of class.

While I am not 100% for meds, I understand that there are situations where meds might be required. IT shouldn't be an automatic answer obviuosuly Shelby...but don't pretend that no children benifit from it.
 

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. said:
It's clear to me that you are a complete moron. What you're talking about isn't clinical depression, and this shows your complete lack of understanding of this debilitating DISEASE.

ok lemme take a step back..IM VERY VERY SORRY if i offended anyone on this site suffering from "depression" or some emotional issue...it wasnt my intention to do that at ALL. i think uve all made it pretty clear that i havent a f*cking clue about what this "disease" is. all i can say in my defence is that my parents dragged me around northern africa when i was a kid every summer...i was in iran after the baem earthquake plucking bodies out of rubble, i was in pakistan after the earthquake in kashmir plucking bodies out of rubble...and ive backpacked across central asia-- from georgia to iran...ive sseen a lot of tears/corpses. in fact, my first guide was shot in the head and buried in the desert because he refused an invitation to a meal by a pashtun car salesman. but apparently ive never seen or met anyone suffering from the disease u people r describing. my experiences are typically very different and i usually interpret things a little differently. AGAIN...VERY VERY SORRY!!!! no sense in calling me a moron, especially for something ive never experienced. its difficult for one to understand something they've never experienced....

**i didnt come here to make enemies, or to sling shit at anybody
 

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rhino_horn said:
its difficult for one to understand something they've never experienced....
Then let's hope that LPSG gives you the chance to think about comprehending experiences beyond your own physical realm, because this clearly is one of the keys to interacting with others successfully in this world imho. :smile:

You are describing things that shook you and upset you in life-defining ways; but that's a totally different phenomenon to what's being discussed on this thread, as you now know.
 

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Shelby:
Also, the DSM-IV (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual-IV) is used to diagnose ALL medical conditions--everything from cancer to depression to AD/HD is in there. Its span is much greater than mental disorders.

Regarding AD/HD--there are people who believe that children are being born with the increased capacity to attend to multiple tasks/items as a result of our technological advances (i.e., changes in the environment). Simply put, some believe that kids today are wired differently than they were a generation or two ago.

Not everyone with AD/HD requires medication, and for some, cafeeine is a way to self-medicate attentional issues. Stimulants are the traditional medicinal intervention for AD/HD and save for a bad interaction with mood disorders (increased irritability), then have shown to be effective for a lot of people.
 

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novice_btm said:
I'd still prefer to see the three magic words in red below his name.

rhino_horn apologized and said he wants to get along on the forum. Let's give him a chance.

As has already been pointed out, we're all entitled to our own opinions, even the ones that other people find stupid, and other people are entitled to trash those opinions (and they all lived happily ever after).

PS: Now if only this thread will go on a few more pages, maybe I'll consider suicide too.
 

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Shelby said:
Alex8 I don't trust psychological medicine any more than any other snake oil peddlers be they preachers, salesmen or whatever.

Tbh, I agree with you that medication is not the solution in many, many cases; in fact, it can all-too-often be a means of masking real issues that need to be addressed imho. I was just grabbing the medical establishment's vast research into clinical depression as a quick illustrative example of the latter's existence and widescale consequences earlier.
 

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Wow, this is what lpsg is all about you guys.

First off, Inkubus, that was an amazing post, and it takes real balls to volunteer something so personal just to try to help someone else. That was great of you, and I hope your own path of recovery continues to go well. I'm an alcoholic, and while I was spared clinical depression, the "depression lite" that Lex describes is never far away. I'm fortunate enough not to need medication, but I do realise that for some it is the best solution. I think the important thing is to get REAL information from qualified professionals. People on message boards can only offer our opinions, which oftentimes aren't worth shit.

Rhino, I've read some of your posts on other threads, so I knew a little about where you were coming from. No doubt your life has shown you things most of us pampered Americans would shudder to consider. You are also right in thinking that depression is a luxury disease- it is. You will find very few members of war ravaged societies suffering from clinical depression, nor countries where extreme starvation is an everyday struggle.

For the moment, I won't give my dissertation on why depression is an American luxury disease, but alcoholism is too. These are my opinions of course, I have no degree in anything, but I think there's some unspoken truth we all can recognise there. Feel free to correct me if you disagree (anyone), but please at least consider it first. Facts are, we lead by a longshot in the sale of mood altering drugs both because we have the most depression AND the most money to buy the drugs.

Rhino, the thing that struck me most about your posts was your claim not to understand the whole "putting up a wall" thing, but I sense that you have done this yourself, just in a slightly different way. It would be very difficult to see the kinds of things you have, and continue to allow yourself to feel that virgin sense of shock over and over, so you become numb. Uncomfortable as it is to accept is, that is also a form of depression, and more closely akin to the type I've experienced so I feel I know a little bit more about it.

Clearly you didn't come here to make enemies, so I don't see you that way. This is kind of a "tough love" group and no one here will stop anyone from making an ass of themselves, but we generally don't begrude a person a chance to say "Whoa Nellie, let's start over".

While my shot at your choice of typing styles WAS a snark, I hope you'll consider it constructive criticism as well.
 

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I had a minor 'run in' with Rhino but it turns out we have some common ground so I hope thats done and dusted.

While I have been 'around the block' I have never experienced a fraction of what he described and I truly hope I never do. While I can appreciate his standpoint I have come to believe life isn't cheap but that it is precious, as it is both fragile and fleeting. It's an easy and understandable reaction to have as a defence against emotional overload and I have felt the same way myself on occasion.

I'm not trying to pshychoanalyse as I'm not qualified but just voicing my thoughts.
 

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Well, Rhino, there is something to be said of the sentiments you echoed earlier. I’m convinced some people who would argue that the young man committed a rather selfish act. That is, ultimately, his untimely, self-induced death wounded the emotional attachment he formed with loved ones. Case in point, I went to high school with a girl who confided in me that the only reason why she hadn’t committed suicide was because of the emotional agony her mother would undergo. She was, in fact, suicidal and, quite fortunately, never followed through with that.

However Rhino, unlike the irritated, indifferent reaction you expressed, my deepest sympathies are with the family and the young man. I think Jeff and Freddie made very valid points about the circumstances surrounding the student’s death – differing as their opinions were, I think it’s a combination of both. I’m going to venture a guess and say the student was troubled with more than the burden of insecurity – I’m sure academia and his domestic-life were contributors to his ever-increasing state of depression. None of us are strangers to the fact that teenagers and young adults (and even grown people) repress their emotions and, when life becomes rather cumbersome, we just learn to adapt and deal with it silently. This is basically conjectured, but, seeing as the student was a boy, I gather talking about his feelings wasn’t his strong point (although the article points out that he was able to tell his mother what was troubling him).

Then, as Freddie elucidated, body image is everything, especially among his [my] age group. I’m sure he was genuinely depressed over the reality of having a smaller penis and that was one of the factors that ultimately led to his demise. The sad part is it’s not going to end with him; the scary part is, the next person may not decide to kill themselves, but someone else.
 

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So many important things have been said here, I want to mention a few.

JustAsking offered that "Misery needs company", and I think it's important to understand that needs are higher on anyone's hierarchy than wants. Depression can be very off-putting to others by the nature of its' self-focus.
A person suffering from depression has generally lost the ability to clearly discern how their behavior is impacting others- those who can still do that are not as severaly affected.

JeffBlack posed the question of why his parents or some other person involved couldn't have done more, but they are not professional psychologists nor should they be held accountable for being mind readers. The boy talked to his mother, and she took him to a doctor. No doubt, she was doing what she thought was best, and if he didn't continue bringing it up, she probably felt she had adequately handled the situation. While it is sad and unfair that some people have heavier burdens than others, or perhaps just less tools to deal with their share, it is still ultimately each person's responsibility to deal with their own shit, in whatever form they have it. Our lives are not the same, not equal. This is just a fact of existance, and judging the validity of someone else's mental state is kind of a waste of time. I find it more beneficial to take the "what is" and see what can be done from there.

Shelby questioned the whole field of psychology, and that's absolutely necessary. Psychology as a whole is still in it's infancy stages, and I am sad to see this latest development of heading straight to the pharmacy to solve all our problems. I think as time goes on, we'll find a better balance between what is an actual chemical imbalance, and what has the potential of behavior and attitude adjustment through self-awareness.

Just asking writes:

Teenagers are particularly susceptible. If you want to find them, go look for the most successful girl on the high school campus. You know, the one who is getting straight A's, is extremely attractive, is on the cheerleading squad, a sports team, and plays a musical instrument really well, and volunteers a the local hospital and does it all without breaking a sweat. Look inside that girl's head and chances are there is someone who is desparately staving off dehibilitating depression by putting up a wall of perfection. Because any little chink in that wall would signal to her that she is a piece of crap.

I think this is something that most people honestly don't understand about depression- the tendancy toward overcompensation. People will often site reasons like this for why their son/daughter/friend couldn't possibly be depressed, not realising that those are quite often the very signs of it!
Perfectionsim that can never be satisfied is, in my less than humble opinion, the major clue. It didn't matter to this kid that his dick was average, the problem was that it wasn't perfect, in his opinion.
 

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Rhino,
You are beginning to grow on me. The thing I like about you is not your outrageously insensitive attitude, but the fact that you are extremely up front about it. You are not really even defending it, but just putting it out there as a fact.

I also have to say I respect the experiences you have had and the things you have seen in horrible parts of the world. Given that, I can relate a bit more to your notion that, as Mme. Zora says, clinical depression is a luxury disease. From your point of view, compared to the misery and suffering in other parts of the world, your advice would naturally be, "walk it off, dude".

Let me just make this point, though and I will leave you be on this. Suffering is universal to the human condition. Someone starving in Africa or blown up in Iraq is a tragedy. But so is someone who unwittingly becomes an alcoholic because they didnt realize they had a genetic disposition to it when they were out drinking socially. That person will suffer greatly too, even though he/she lives in an affluent and stable environment of relative luxury, such as in the USA. The same is true of clinical depression, is my point. It is an unwanted affliction that causes great suffering to anyone. The fact that it is a disease of luxury is more a condemnation of our society than the person afflicted.

Anyway, thanks for sticking with the debate, even under fire. I have a feeling that it would take a lot more than our comments to chase you away. And thanks to inkubus for disclosing some personal but very powerful testimony. And thanks for Mme Zora for putting things in perspective as she always does (and for quoting some of my rants so as to give them some credibility.)
 

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My goodness can some of you guys get more mean?

I could very well understand what that guy went through. And his mother did what she thought was best, but the doctor could have done more. What was reported in the article also sounded cold and harsh, "for an Asian man" he was normal. That sounded downright stereotypical too. Three years ago in a list of things I was unhappy about, I confided in my mother that while I wear size 13 shoes, it doesn't mean anything. She got the hint and she said the standard thing that doesn't offer comfort, basically it's not about how big it is. Also about a big guy, can think he's all that because he's big and not know what to do with it. How does she know?! That made me feel worse. Maybe I shouldn't have opened my mouth.

But while there may have been other things depressing him in his life, the size issue was elevated from the basement of the list to represent what was most bothersome. He probably viewed life as one problem after another that won't get resolved and to top it off, he has this small penis. A pebble may be small but if you get one stuck in your shoe, it can be a big irritation, until you get rid of it. Well his size was a pebble but he couldn't get rid of it. It may be something insignificant compared to other problems but maybe he felt he could solve those other problems or they'll work out after a while, but this one thing is something that won't go away. I hope you understand me. It's kind of how I felt.

I still don't think anything of mine. I realize there are more bigger ones out there and I can't win all the time. So I live and deal. And there are bigger problems in my life, but it doesn't have the spotlight anymore. Too bad this guy didn't give his life time or find a way to make things straighten out that he didn't have to spotlight that one thing.