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I can sort of see that from the masochist angle if you somehow feel the sensation of pain as pleasure. But how does it work for the sadist - they are not receiving physical sensation so is it some rewarding mental stimulation from being cruel and inflicting pain?
Bingo! Sadists are turned on by inflicting pain, either mentally or physically or both, whereas masochists by receiving pain. Of course, you're right, the sadist's pleasure is mainly mental. SPH is a form of S&M, just that, in this case, the pain is inflicted by humiliating a guy for having a small penis. Here the pleasure for both is primarily mental.

Kinks along these lines are often unintelligible to people not into them. I used to think S&M weird, but then realized I have long gotten off by women playing rough with my cock and balls, especially pulling and squeezing my balls, and, a propos to our topic, the occasional sexual teasing over the size of my cock. Sex is like that. Surprising and strange sometimes. And, from all outward appearances, I'm the most normal, straight-arrow guy you could imagine.
 
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I can sort of see that from the masochist angle if you somehow feel the sensation of pain as pleasure.

I don't think that is required to justify masochism as something not inherently pathological. As I said, some people enjoy spiciness. Some enjoy a lot. Some do not enjoy any at all. Why not the same thing with pain? Admittedly it's considerably more common to enjoy spiciness than pain, but I think the same principle applies.

But how does it work for the sadist - they are not receiving physical sensation so is it some rewarding mental stimulation from being cruel and inflicting pain?

Just think of it as the flipside.

Admittedly, there are indeed some sadists who do simply enjoy torturing masochists simply so long as they consent.

However, most that I have encountered get off specifically on torturing masochists whom they know are enjoying themselves (which there are many who are enjoying themselves even through the wincing, whimpering, crying, or screaming). My experience of S&M is that mutuality of enjoyment is the norm. I imagine it should not be hard to understand getting off on facilitating an activity that another is deriving enjoyment from?
 

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There is a bond of trust built between dominant and submissive. The dominant has the ability to deliver pain and pleasure, sometimes at will. Learning and understanding your sub's limits, honoring them, stretching them...is a huge responsibility that dominants thrive upon. Additionally, a game of control can occur....the dominant can control whether or not the submissive feels what he/she craves. This sense of power and control over the feelings of another can be intoxicating. Conversely, the submissive can exert some control of the dominant by requesting more...or not....and by expressing reactions to pain and pleasure....or not.

The question being discussed was about sadomasochism specifically. It's a common misconception that D/s is inherent to to S&M. It's not. One only need to spend 20 minutes perusing FetLife to learn this. There are plenty of sadomasochists who are about pain but are not interested in power play. Such people have egalitarian structured scenes ordered by standard norms of agreement and communication, with no directives. And it's also true that there are even more Doms and subs who have not interest in pain play. Providing the D/s dynamic as the answer confuses the consideration of the appeal of S&M itself.
 
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I don't think that is required to justify masochism as something not inherently pathological. As I said, some people enjoy spiciness. Some enjoy a lot. Some do not enjoy any at all. Why not the same thing with pain? Admittedly it's considerably more common to enjoy spiciness than pain, but I think the same principle applies.



Just think of it as the flipside.

Admittedly, there are indeed some sadists who do simply enjoy torturing masochists simply so long as they consent.

However, most that I have encountered get off specifically on torturing masochists whom they know are enjoying themselves (which there are many who are enjoying themselves even through the wincing, whimpering, crying, or screaming). My experience of S&M is that mutuality of enjoyment is the norm. I imagine it should not be hard to understand getting off on facilitating an activity that another is deriving enjoyment from?
You didn't understand me but never mind, Liljock and itsall4kim did and answered my question.

It's obvious that 'mutuality of enjoyment' is not really the essence of sadism. Some sadists enjoy torturing even without the consent of the person they are torturing. That is still sadism. The essence of being a sadist is taking pleasure from inflicting pain and suffering. I will never understand the appeal of that because I was brought up to believe that hurting others is wrong; even if someone begged me to hurt them I couldn't take any pleasure from it. But each to their own.

I think on some level you must also feel it's wrong or you wouldn't need to dress it in the vanilla sauce of 'mutuality of enjoyment'.
 

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The question being discussed was about sadomasochism specifically. It's a common misconception that D/s is inherent to to S&M. It's not. One only need to spend 20 minutes perusing FetLife to learn this. There are plenty of sadomasochists who are about pain but are not interested in power play. Such people have egalitarian structured scenes ordered by standard norms of agreement and communication, with no directives. And it's also true that there are even more Doms and subs who have not interest in pain play. Providing the D/s dynamic as the answer confuses the consideration of the appeal of S&M itself.

Hunghorse30 was looking for insight regarding the general mindset of a sadist. Dominants and Sadists have far more in common than not. The physical acts being the primary difference, which fall outside the scope of his question.

Hunghorse30 seems to have no confusion on this.
 

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I stand by my previous statement--anyone that takes pleasure in being humiliated has low self esteem . . .
I disagree completely. I think I have high self esteem. For me I think it's a release of power. Feeling helpless when I'm in control all day is a great change.
 

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I disagree completely. I think I have high self esteem. For me I think it's a release of power. Feeling helpless when I'm in control all day is a great change.

that's something often heard from ceo's, managers etc. - and makes total sense to me, as they enjoy a totally different feeling once in a while.
 
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that's something often heard from ceo's, managers etc. - and makes total sense to me, as they enjoy a totally different feeling once in a while.

Absolutely. One of my friends was a professional dominatrix. Many of her best long-term clients were people in positions of real power and enormous responsibility in their day-to-day lives. Being able to relinquish control, have little to no responsibility, and simply be looked after by someone else can be highly pleasurable.

Conversely, people who have, or feel that they have no control or power in their day-to-day lives may find having a dominant role in BDSM play to be pleasurable.

For these people, assuming such roles adds significant balance to their lives.
 

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Absolutely. One of my friends was a professional dominatrix. Many of her best long-term clients were people in positions of real power and enormous responsibility in their day-to-day lives. Being able to relinquish control, have little to no responsibility, and simply be looked after by someone else can be highly pleasurable.

Conversely, people who have, or feel that they have no control or power in their day-to-day lives may find having a dominant role in BDSM play to be pleasurable.

For these people, assuming such roles adds significant balance to their lives.
It took me a while to understand this but it makes my fetishes understandable now. On a side note does anyone want to make fun of my penis ?
 

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OK...that video above is disgusting. For me any guy trying to sound dominant with a "gay voice" is just a major turnoff. The whole Dirk Yates thing was over before it started.

But on to the topic at hand; Since I'm a generally cool guy and try to ensure I get "repeats" with the bottoms I like, I'm typically very complimentary when having sex. And since I'm 9", 98% of the time (statistically speaking) I'm going to be bigger than the other guy, so the first thing I usually here once the clothes come is something about my dick (Nice! Huge! Awesome! Sweet! etc). And regardless of the size of the other guy, I used to try to say something back like, "you got a nice one too" etc. But I soon found out that a lot younger guys who identify as twinks actually LIKE their small dicks being called out. Same with some muscle boys who turn submissive in bed; I've heard variations on "please don't laugh at my small dick, sir" meaning they get off on the top calling attention to their small dick as part of the humiliation. As far as I'm concerned, it's all good just as long as no harm is done there.
 

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