Small penis support group

[13788]

micro: Is there a brother site , "the Small penis support group", something like this? I think that might be a better site for me to participate in. In many ways the less endowed man might have more to work on emotionally.

 

[rtg]

... but it would be nice if women ( real not fake ) in here would defend the small guys of this site when they get shamed by the big guys. This is a form of support you ladies can show in this forum. I say that again, I don't want to dictate your actions, this is just a suggestion.

Pretty sure that the majority of the women here tell men time and time again that we support men of all sizes. I don't think that we need to jump in on every situation where a man may feel insecure about his size, we do that enough as is. And not to mention we have our own shit to deal with on here... there's only a handful of men who come to our defense when the misogynist pigs come out to play.

ETA: 90% of my time on this site is spent in women's issues and ask a woman. Because that's where most of my interests lie and where I feel most comfortable.

Also, you can't ignore the men who love sph. Even when they want to be humiliated about their size most of the time we ignore it.

 

[Evey]

I think there are plenty of sites out there for men to work on their emotional issues about their smaller size, what I want to know is where is the site for women who want some of those men?

 

[AlteredEgo]

There are plenty of women who don't feel the same way. Ask a woman how important sex is to them. It is a good way of figuring out how compatible you are. It is almost strange that a woman would tell you it is a "big sacrifice" to make when a man could easily give up having sex with big breasted women. "You know how important huge knockers are to me honey". Women are spoiled and a tad disgusting. Sex isn't glorious, it isn't too much to ask to forgo it for the person you love.

That's patently ridiculous. Women love sex like men do. A penis that doesn't fit provides no physical pleasure, and may even inflict pain. Breasts are not a part of intercourse. Genitals are. Mismatched genitals are not an imaginary problem. While I could stay with a man I loved who became impotent, and I would expect us to do non-penetrative things to enjoy our sexual energy together, I honestly could not imagine beginning a monogamous relationship that was never going to include satisfying intercourse. It's a huge sacrifice. I need a certain amount of friction and pressure. Too much is a huge problem; too little is also a huge problem.

Having said that, not all people are as interested in sex as I am. Not all women derive most of their sexual satisfaction from penetration, like I do. Every man deserves a woman who loves him in part because of his body, not despite it. Every man deserves to feel sexy and virile, and desired. And in a world of 7 billion+ people, I believe there are many someones for each of us.

 

[AlteredEgo]

What about getting penetrated by the right size penis is so necessary? I'm less inclined that giving it up is a "big sacrifice" and more inclined to believe that many women are spoiled. I can understand your point about the man being too large and causing pain, but not so much about the lack of pleasure.

Why can't you understand a lack of any pleasure being a deal-breaker. Here it is, I'm going to make the only broad generalization I will ever make on this website. At the beginning of a new relationship, total lack of sexual pleasure is a complete deal-breaker for every man and every woman who is not asexual. This is 100% true. I will stand out here on this particular limb.

I am not spoiled, just realistic. You are being unfair to womankind. I will NOT enter into a relationship knowing from the very beginning that there will never be satisfying penetrative sex. Intercourse is an important part of bonding and loving for me. If there is too much pressure, or not enough friction, it's not a match. If I don't have actual orgasmic intercourse with a real penis, I eventually feel "off" physiologically. I feel not quite right. I can't focus. There is also an emotional cost. It takes a long time, several months, but that is my reality. I know this from having been married to a gay dude. Actually, I know this from my memories of our courtship.

Sacrificing satisfaction forever at the beginning of a relationship is yeah... A huge sacrifice.

Having said that, what size range constitutes sacrifice is different from person to person. A woman who does not require penetration to be satisfied would certainly be happier with a very small erection than I would. I honestly do not think I could get by with less than 3.75" and at that length, I'm going to need at least 5" of girth. This is a projection based on experience. The real lower limit might be smaller. But I doubt it. I would try it out though. If I already decided to lay with a dude I'm not going to reject him regardless of size until I at least try it out.

 

[Nosuportneeded]

It is not a need. I don't need an ice cream cone, she doesn't need to be fucked by the right size dick. If I were you I wouldn't be okay with letting your girlfriend have sex with other guys, maybe the other guy has a smaller dick or is not as good at sex as you are. But maybe you do it one time and a guy has a giant dick and really knows how to fuck. You're setting yourself up to be cuckolded. If you were honest, you'd know that is not something you want. You'd be very bothered by it. Most men are weak they don't have the balls to set boundaries for their wife or girlfriend. Love doesn't mean giving your wife or girlfriend everything she wants. Of all the dicks in the world you think yours is the best one for her? Be real. You don't have to be perfect in every way, but you do have to have some balls. Set some boundaries, some expectations, provide for her, give her love and protection and humor. She doesn't need to be satisfied in every way imaginable. I think what holds back a man most is his own shame. Once you stop thinking about pleasing others and more about how you want to be pleased, you free yourself from that burden.

I'm going to respectfully ignore your advice for my relationships. I know me much better than you, although I like to hear good natured advice. Thank you.

Again, I'm just saying it's up to the individual. If they gotta have it, fine. We can't judge whether it's right or wrong.

Also, I cited my anecdotal example to illustrate a person strongly desiring specific sexual wants, not to justify one opinion as law.

I could go on, but @AlteredEgo and @Fade have it more than covered.

BTW, if I found masturbation to be better than sex with a person, life would be much simpler for me.

I agree, getting over sex could be, in a way, transcendental, but it's so good and rewarding that it is transcendental in itself when done right.

 

[1019487]

Look at Japan, most 30 year olds there have yet to have their first sexual encounter.

Look, I know you're obsessed with the whole dick size thing, but

what

To think that Japan's low birth rates have anything to do with penis size and not to do with broader cultural issues (namely: its intense work culture) is pretty fuckin ludicrous

 

[AlteredEgo]

The quest for a man wanting to have a bigger dick is a quest to be a tool for a woman's pleasure, he wants a bigger dick so he can better serve the woman.

It was unfair of me to be flippant earlier. I should address this for real because of the scope of the potential audience. The quest for a bigger dick has little to do with women. Women often indicate that as long as a penis falls within a fairly wide range, or is about average in size, the specific size is of little import. Meanwhile, many of the men on various P.E. fora expressly write that the are with women who want them to stop enhancing, who ate uncomfortable with how much they have pumped, for example, because it is now too big for pleasure, and yet they still would prefer to be even bigger. The "quest" is about impressing other men, or feeling privately superior to other men. This business of having a big-bigger-biggest mentality is nearly entirely a male thing.

 

[gunner71]

That's patently ridiculous. Women love sex like men do. A penis that doesn't fit provides no physical pleasure, and may even inflict pain. Breasts are not a part of intercourse. Genitals are. Mismatched genitals are not an imaginary problem. While I could stay with a man I loved who became impotent, and I would expect us to do non-penetrative things to enjoy our sexual energy together, I honestly could not imagine beginning a monogamous relationship that was never going to include satisfying intercourse. It's a huge sacrifice. I need a certain amount of friction and pressure. Too much is a huge problem; too little is also a huge problem.

Having said that, not all people are as interested in sex as I am. Not all women derive most of their sexual satisfaction from penetration, like I do. Every man deserves a woman who loves him in part because of his body, not despite it. Every man deserves to feel sexy and virile, and desired. And in a world of 7 billion+ people, I believe there are many someones for each of us.

Yeah! The size of a lady's breasts are not involved in physical pleasure whereas a smaller penis will not be satisfying for some women.

I totally agree with you! Mine is on the small side; however, my wife has got a medical condition which prevents her from being penetrated, so I gave up penetration some 10 years ago because even my 5-inch girth is way too much for her to handle and the pain is excruciating.

If I had a much thinner tool, it would fit her, but that's not the case. In spite of this issue, we do have loads of fun together on and off the bed.

 

[693987]

Pretty sure that the majority of the women here tell men time and time again that we support men of all sizes. I don't think that we need to jump in on every situation where a man may feel insecure about his size, we do that enough as is. And not to mention we have our own shit to deal with on here... there's only a handful of men who come to our defense when the misogynist pigs come out to play.

Pretty much. Many of the females who frequently post are pretty open about not hating on or discriminating against average or smaller than average guys, in spite of this being a site with a significant focus on more endowed men.

A fair few of us do say we're perfectly okay with whatever a man we're keen on is packing. Hell, some women, even on this site freely proclaim that smaller works better for them. I don't see how that's not being supportive enough. No one on here is obligated to be anyone else's personal cheer squad and/or therapy.

And there is a significant lack of men on here who stand up for the women who get blatant hatred thrown at us by a small but extremely vocal group of individuals, just because we have a vagina. Yet the women generally tough it out and just fucking deal. Or we put the fuckers on ignore and move the fuck on.

 

[AlteredEgo]

I look at this like a fat man eating an ice cream cone explaining to me why artificially-sweetened ice cream just won't do. As much as you love getting penetrated by the right size cock you could learn to enjoy getting eaten out just as much or even more if you wanted to. Penis size is too important to people.

It's far more like an Olympic figure skater explaining to a little boy with phocomelia why she must have figure skates and not hockey skates. The little boy is in no position to argue because he lacks all relevant equipment and experience. All his counters can amount to is petulant flailing.

A quality sex life is necessary for the psychological health of most adult humans. Knowing what constitutes that for a particular individual is important to that individual's satisfaction and overall well-being. Oral sex is not remotely as satisfying to me as penetration. Satisfactory penetration (for me as an individual) requires that there is an erect penis attatched to a man who knows how to use it. The smaller it is, the firmer the erection needs to be. Above a certain size, a little less rigidity is helpful. This penis needs to apply the right amount of friction and/or pressure to one of several sensitive zones inside my vagina. Approximately 96% of adult males have the equipment within the dimensions I know I would enjoy, though I don't pretend to know how many know how to use it, nor how many struggle with severe E.D. or premature ejaculation, or have become trans-women, all of which would be disqualifying factors for me. So let's generously round it up to 15% of males being poor prospects for starting a relationship with me, either because they can't fuck, genitalia are mis-matched for fit, have swapped genders, or there is a medical problem with functionality. I'm okay with sex being a factor that eliminates 15% of potential partners. Am I some fuck-hole object that must accept 100% of offers? Get real. I don't owe my body nor my heart to anyone.

As I said, many times now, I'm speaking only for myself as an individual. I know of women who are ambivalent about penetration. I am not one. I know of women who are happy as long as their clit is properly stumulated. For me, clitoral stimulation is more like a sherpa guiding bloodflow in order to prepare for the pending avalanche of an internal orgasm. You know. From penetration.

Did you know most of the clit is buried? How do you use it? P-e-n-e-t-r-a-t-i-o-n. (In my individual case, it's penetration combined with firm pressure against my mons pubis.)

Again, this is all about the beginning of a relationship. At the beginning of the relationship, one is looking to pair off with someone who seems ideally suited to oneself. Once commitment is in place, one rolls with the punches, and makes whatever sacrifices one must to hold it together and support each other. If one of those punches eliminates satisfying penetrative sex, that's going to require quite a roll. Huge sacrifice to make. It's not impossible, but it's a really big ask, far too big for someone to ask of me before I have committed, and I would never commit without fucking first.

And no. I would never learn to enjoy oral as much. Oral is fucking amazing. But oral is oral, and fucking is fucking. I prefer penetration. Greatly. The orgasms are bigger and better, it's possible to kiss at the same time, the eye contact, the full-body contact, the synchronization of movement, the bonding (in the case of a close friend or significant other) are all just better during mutually satisfying intercourse. Shall we not forget that if it isn't a fit for me, it isnt a fit for him either.

Japan's population issues are explained thusly by The Economist:

"The chief reason for the dearth of births is the decline of marriage. Fewer people are opting to wed, and those who do are getting married later in life. At least a third of young women aim to become full-time housewives, yet they struggle to find men who can support a traditional family. In better economic times potential suitors had permanent jobs as part of Japan’s “lifetime employment” system. Now many of them have to rely on temporary or part-time work. Other women shun marriage and children because Japan’s old-fashioned corporate culture, together with a dire shortage of child care, forces them to give up their careers if they have children. Finally, young people are bound by strict social codes. Only around 2% of babies are born outside marriage (compared with 30–50% in most of the rich world), which means that as weddings plummet, so do births. And even for those who do start families, the rising cost of child-rearing often imposes a de facto one-child policy."

Your frantic histrionics about size troubles seem largely fantastic.

A man might have a giant glorious dick but not do much good as a person. It bothers me to the extent that woman choose the lesser man with the better dick.

You've decided bigger is better. I have never said that. I have steadfastly asserted that for me there is a too big, and a too small to fit me well enough to satisfy me. I have not gotten into the larger end of that range in this thread, but most would agree that the smaller end, as I projected herein, is really quite small. In fact, though I have been quite prolific in my sexual activity, I have never tried one that small, though I have seen two smaller than that. I have most certainly tried out the upper limit. I have never seen bigger, and if I did, I actually might not be willing to try it out. I would be terrified. If it fits, and we're both getting the right amount of friction and pressure in the right places, it fits.

What makes you think having a dick that fits me well means the guy is a bad egg? Only wonderful, nerdy, silly romantics need apply here. I do 104+ hours of community service a year and give 5-10% of my income to charity. If he's not doing anything worthwhile with his time, talent, and treasure, he's not for me. Misaligned values. I don't have to choose between the right man and the right penis because the right man has the right penis. Duh.

What I think is dark is how insecure little men feel challenged by a woman who pursues exactly what she desires and is uncompromising in that search. These men, always show a glaring failure to fully understand female sexual anatomy, but want to dictate what should feel good enough to her, always skewed to "teach" her to accept that which his own insecurities tell him are flaws, flaws that make him unloveable, unfuckable, and worthless. Meanwhile if he just loved himself, learned how all the pieces are supposed to fit, worked to truly understand human sex parts, and sought natural compatibility, he would never lose sight of his tremendous value. It's easier to lash out instead though.

What happened, Bro? Did she humiliate you? Did she make you feel like you weren't enough? Do you want me to put my hair in cornrows, grease my face and go whoop dat ass for you?

 

[AlteredEgo]

That is, if everyone was well endowed or well equipped, then maybe it would come down to who was the better man.

It already DOES come down to who is the better man for many (possibly most). I doubt anyone is looking for a husband based on dicks. I have NEVER met anyone who was. You keep thinking about the process as if it is a choice between a good man and a bad or mediocre man, and the bad or mediocre man always has a "better" dick. I'm here to tell you that if the bad or mediocre man's poor qualities are obvious to a potential partner making the choice, and this choice is meant to be for life, that guy is no real contender.

In reality, bad guys are eliminated off the bat. By the time there is a choice to be made, it's a choice between good men with differing good qualities. If I have to choose between two great guys, and with one of them I'm consistently unsatisfied sexually, well, he was probably eliminated last week anyway.

I'm trying my damned hardest to support these people and justify their existence.

This sentence is the worst! They exist, therefore their existence is justified.

I have said over and over that there are women who could happily make micropenis work, even if I cannot. I bet the same holds for some men as well. Just the fact that something is outside of my experience or desires does not render it irrelevant or undesireable to someone else, maybe even hundreds of millions of someones else. Your posts imply the opposite. And what does it say about you as a man that you value anyone with a pe is more than all women? Do you notice your writing demonizes women who can't get off outside of a specific size range, PURELY because they are physically incapable of doing it, solely so some hypothetical men don't feel badly about themselves. You make these determinations about what all good women can learn to enjoy without ever having experienced a clitoral orgasm" any kind of vaginal orgasm, having never felt a delightful dicking down of your own sensational snatch. Just blind, sweeping, paternalistic assertions. That's disgusting to me. Do you realize the misogyny in that? You'd best check yourself, Sir.

A more egalitarian approach is to recognize the validity of each man's need to feel loved and desired, AND the validity of each person knowing and pursuing only that which is compatible according to their own needs and values. That is the difference between what you are saying, and what I have been saying.

I wonder if a man can really live his life without being driven by sex or sexual inclination, and whether that would be a life worth living.

Really? Have you never heard of asexuals? They seem pretty happy when no one is pressuring them to conform to another sexual expression.


Are you really comparing men with small dicks to asexuals?

 

[693987]

Look, I know you're obsessed with the whole dick size thing, but

what

To think that Japan's low birth rates have anything to do with penis size and not to do with broader cultural issues (namely: its intense work culture) is pretty fuckin ludicrous

Birth rates are declining in a LOT of first world countries. A silly amount of people, especially on this site, like to just point at Japan and say it's because of penis size

Google Scholar check declining birth rates and it's in a lot of places, with actual cited sources, even. Heck, even though I take anything from wikipedia with a hefty dose of salt, cited source of the United Nations is demonstrating an overall world trend towards lower birth rates since at least the 1950s.

 

[Proppie]

Dear Prudence,
I'm a single guy in my late 20s with a steady job and lots of good boyfriend qualities. I'm at the point in my life where I'd like to settle down and maybe start a family. The problem is that I have had a horrible time with women, and it pretty much always comes back to the same problem: I have a very small penis. I have a condition called micropenis, and it has been the cause of the end of a few relationships. One of my ex-girlfriends couldn't stop giggling and said, "Aww, it's so cute!" the first time she saw it. I've had several relationships fizzle out immediately after we start getting intimate. I’m starting to get desperate. I can't wait around forever to find a mate who's willing to accept me, and I don't want to trap a woman in an unhappy and unfulfilling marriage where she ends up sneaking around on me. My sex life hasn’t been all that pleasurable because there's so much embarrassment and my partner never enjoys it. I've thought about posting personal ads that mention it upfront and asking for a one-sided open relationship. I would be monogamous but my partner would have my blessing to have an occasional lover on the side. I have a feeling I'll probably have to settle for something like this regardless—either behind my back or with my knowledge. Do you think this is a realistic idea, or would I be just setting myself up to get hurt and manipulated? Should I continue to play the field and hope to find a woman who'll accept my shortcomings (pun intended)?

—Lonely
Dear Lonely,
You deserve a partner who is fully committed to you. I bet you do have many good boyfriend qualities, and among them are a sense of humor and forthrightness. Don’t settle for a situation in which if your wife says she’s working late you’ll be torn up as to whether she’s seeing the boyfriend you tacitly approved. Physically, you’re not a typical guy. So I think you should expand your horizons by looking for a gem of a woman who herself may not be typical. Read this article about dating websites for people with disabilities, including Dating4Disabled. There are plenty of women for whom intercourse may not be the primary way of expressing their sexuality but who want a physical connection and would be great and faithful romantic partners. You need to find someone who is eager to explore all the creative ways there are to sexually satisfy each other. If you meet a woman on a website at which people are upfront about their physical capacities, you would be starting off with someone who is aware of and comfortable with your situation from the start. Think of what a relief it would be to get to know a woman without worrying about the “there’s something I need to tell you” conversation. A targeted search for a compatible partner should spare you unnecessary anxiety and humiliation. I hope the happy ending to your quest is that two people who weren’t sure they’d ever find anyone have found each other.

—Prudie

 

[Smallpenis]

I'm 6ft 4ins tall with a small 4ins penis and I'm proud of having it especially at oral sex she can get the whole lot in and enjoying it

 

[gunner71]

Ii found LPSG while I googled small penis support group. Go figure. Mine is rather small, mainly when soft.

 

[AlteredEgo]

Your woman having sex with your small dick is not such a big sacrifice to make.

Unless it is, in which case that's incompatibility, and the couple should split. I'm pretty sure there's a too big and a too small for me to enjoy. I'm not about to life up some dude with whom I simply do not enjoy the sex.

 

[AlteredEgo]

^ ^ Well I agree with you 200% . But people with small or average ones, shouldn't expect support in here, the site is a bit biased towards big ones and this makes sense. Just check the amount of posts this thread has and compare it with one that is dedicated to big ones. Also congratulations you are the only " socially " active woman on the forum that took the time to post in this thread. A bad person can say that maybe some of the others prefer the big ones more than they care to admit. <--- this doesn't have to be the case , it's just a thought, though.

If you notice, most of the active female posters do not contribute often to this sub-forum.

 

[AlteredEgo]

My wife always has multiple orgasms without penetration. The few times I attempted penetration I just managed to make her cry due to the excruciating pain and didn't have much fun. She used to feel sorry for me, but as I take no pleasure in inflicting pain on others, I just quit the practice.

I'm glad you both found a solution that works.

 

[gunner71]

That is fantastic. I love a story with a happy ending.

typo: I wouldN"T, not would..., but you're a smart lady and got it!