smokes the new hanky code?

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  1. dannymawg

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    So I'm sittin around my therapist's office - I finally wised up and sought real world help for my shit - and I'm reading this:

    And I smoke. A lot.

    Kurt Vonnegut has a quote attributed to him: "The public health authorities never mention the main reason many Americans have for smoking heavily, which is that smoking is a fairly sure, fairly honorable form of suicide."

    Would it stand to reason that at least one of the people standing 15 feet away from the door of any public building is homosexual? Or, if in a smaller venue, that the only person standing outside smoking is gay?


    And if so, do these people feel good about themselves?
     
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    [bump] That's right - who's the real thread killer on this board? Me.

    I can even kill my own threads :biggrin1:
     
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    smoking substitutes for sucking cock.
     
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    I'm straight and there's no way I can give up my fags. :biggrin1:

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    [bump] I stick my neck out to craft a relevant and thoughtful thread, and look what happens.

    Maybe I should have prefaced it with "Ask Me If Smokes Are The New Hanky Code" :rolleyes:


    Sad. Just sad. This forum is losing its charm for me.



    Monday's cool - remember, I'll be sleeping in :biggrin1:
     
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    I don't get it hun, maybe cause I don't smoke?
     
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    Hm...

    Rephrased more simply: are gay folks more likely to smoke? To acquire such a bad habit that is known to kill? If so, why?
     
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    It seems that way, I know an about even number of gays who smoke. I think it's a social thing, they all did ecstasy together for like a year hardcore too..


    Sorry speaking of smoking.. I'm quite stoned.:redface:
     
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    [slaps forehead] Of course!...

    Hanky code, for those not aware of it, is/was a method of using colored handkerchiefs to identify sexual fetish preferences in more hardcore gay communities.

    I failed at dumbing this down as simply a matter of a way to identify gays - that maybe now, if gays are more likely to smoke, it might be a method in this day/age of non-smoking efforts to simply identify gays.

    I didn't mean to imply that if you smoke Camel Wides, that means yer into fisting :biggrin1:
     
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    Well then share the wealth, young lady :biggrin1:
     
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    I am with Matthew... Check the avatar :p *passes to you*
     
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    I don't know, it's possible but I suspect there could be other, more embedded and perhaps less esoteric factors.

    Perhaps Homosexuals identify with the increasing marginalisation of smokers in contemporary western societies, which is ironic given the general and increasing realisation that being gay isn't and never was deserving of such treatment. But of course that is comparatively recent change and ingrained social stigmas and their target's reactions to them tend to die slowly, much like smokers in fact.

    Perhaps with Homosexuals on balance being less likely to have families (wives, kids etc) they may lack one driver for giving up smoking - as a health mitigation risk, i.e. their smoking affects only themselves and their friends who smoke, many of whom (if this is the case) will increasingly be gay and thus perhaps think along similar lines.

    Related to this; a lack of such family commitments and possible resultant higher disposable income coupled with the rising cost of cigarettes may also be a factor, albeit a minor one and only to some. I'll admit these are rather tenuous but I'd also say not entirely crackpot.

    More relevant, and I'm just hypothesising on the fly here having no basis on which to make this a theory so I could be a zillion miles off base, but there is evidence that homosexuals are (statistically) more prone to depression, self inflicted poor health through tobacco, alcohol and substance abuse and in extremes, suicide, not to mention the increased risk of physical abuse through prejudice.

    I'm not suggesting that these behaviours are a result of or inherent to being gay that would be absurd, but perhaps they are a defensive response to the prejudice heaped on homosexuality by society, over centuries. I suppose it wouldn't be entirely implausible to think that today's association of smoking with death, marginalisation and social stigma could touch whatever nerve of fatalism and exclusion may be exposed, perhaps more than is usual.

    Of course there is ample evidence the other way on some, perhaps all of these aspects, but my feeling is that there is an elevated incidence and thus risk. But even so, I don't think it's a recent thing, thus as non homosexuals quit, residual ingrained behaviours in homosexuals remain - giving smoking an illusion of being a (new) 'hanky' code.

    As for whether homosexuals smoke as a conscious means of protracted suicide, as with many aspects of human social behaviour - I doubt it's that simple.

    Bearing in mind the above, perhaps the real question, in the context of this thread is: "Is smoking the new homosexuality?"
     
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    I'm with dong. He said it better than I did. Sharp of him to ask the reflexive question at the end because it certainly smacks of the bitter irony the question deserves.

    It's tough to be gay and care about yourself when so few people do.
     
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    Thank you for the replies, gentlemen. I was trying in my own way to counteract all the recent malarkey flying around this forum by raising a topic that would induce some thought.

    Exactly what I was trying to get at.
    I can speak from experience on this one - hence my Vonnegut quote. When I had read that years ago, it appealed to the "bad boy" in me - fatalism as a toughening trait, as mentioned in the TimeOut article.

    It's only now after almost 20 years of smoking (in the closet? :biggrin1:) that I realize how I twisted that quote around. "I don't care about myself, therefore I'm gonna keep smoking until it kills me. That will show everybody".

    Yeesh.

    I think it is. Where I used to take solace in smoking, I'm now finding myself "standing outside" again - literally, in having to stand 1) outside in shitty weather just to get a nic fix, and 2) outside of accepted social circles - that wanting to bed down with someone like Esera Tuaolo is wrong and I should hide it away from all who can't handle homosexuality.

    Word. I hope Rikter8 doesn't read this - it won't help his situation.
     
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